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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 14, 2018 3:32:58 GMT -5
By now kind of settled into where I can see where they were setting it up and some of the arguments for doing it... But man this just absolutely kills all my interest in anything related to Bryan. I just plain don't want to watch him as a heel, it's just not the capacity I enjoy the character in. For me, this has increased my interest in Bryan, by tenfold. I’m with Pigwell, DB’s underdog story is over. There’s only so many times WWE can replay that video of him holding the two belts at the end of WM30 before he stops looking like that plucky upstart. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for him to keep clinging to that “can Bryan overcome WWE’s doubts” meta-narrative if he’s going to tap out and run over hosses like Cass. Smackdown does need to create some new babyfaces to restore the balance of good/bad, that’s the one issue I have with it. But DBry’s been a damn good heel in the past, and like I said I’m glad they’re not pigeonholing him into the same role he’s played for the last five years anymore.
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Post by schma on Nov 14, 2018 3:34:16 GMT -5
By now kind of settled into where I can see where they were setting it up and some of the arguments for doing it... But man this just absolutely kills all my interest in anything related to Bryan. I just plain don't want to watch him as a heel, it's just not the capacity I enjoy the character in. For me, this has increased my interest in Bryan, by tenfold. I’m with Pigwell, DB’s underdog story is over. There’s only so many times WWE can replay that video of him holding the two belts at the end of WM30 before he stops looking like that plucky upstart. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for him to keep clinging to that “can Bryan overcome WWE’s doubts” meta-narrative if he’s going to tap out and run over hosses like Cass. Smackdown does need to create some new babyfaces to restore the balance of good/bad, that’s the one issue I have with it. But DBry’s been a damn good heel in the past, and like I said I’m glad they’re not pigeonholing him into the same role he’s played for the last five years anymore. The need to freaking turn Rusev full face already and give him the push he's earned many times over.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Nov 14, 2018 3:34:26 GMT -5
It annoys me that they could turn Bryan, who was their most over face since Rock/Austin, yet they couldn’t do it with Cena who was needing a heel turn for years.
It is great that he’s finally getting a proper WWE championship reign though.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 14, 2018 3:36:46 GMT -5
For me, this has increased my interest in Bryan, by tenfold. I’m with Pigwell, DB’s underdog story is over. There’s only so many times WWE can replay that video of him holding the two belts at the end of WM30 before he stops looking like that plucky upstart. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for him to keep clinging to that “can Bryan overcome WWE’s doubts” meta-narrative if he’s going to tap out and run over hosses like Cass. Smackdown does need to create some new babyfaces to restore the balance of good/bad, that’s the one issue I have with it. But DBry’s been a damn good heel in the past, and like I said I’m glad they’re not pigeonholing him into the same role he’s played for the last five years anymore. The need to freaking turn Rusev full face already and give him the push he's earned many times over. YES. If there’s someone WWE needs to focus on giving a rising underdog face story, it’s him. Rusev should have stayed up the card after beating Bryan this year.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 14, 2018 3:39:49 GMT -5
It annoys me that they could turn Bryan, who was their most over face since Rock/Austin, yet they couldn’t do it with Cena who was needing a heel turn for years. It is great that he’s finally getting a proper WWE championship reign though. Bryan didn’t have the years of setting Make-A-Wish records that Cena did. I don’t see it as hypocritical or a slap in the face. This turn is a WAY better business decision than a Cena turn could ever be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 3:49:57 GMT -5
Bryan is a natural heel
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 14, 2018 3:51:07 GMT -5
To be honest, Bryan has really kind of sucked for the last few months. Being an asshole could be a fun new turn for him, because what he was doing, wasn’t working, in my opinion. I have to agree with this. I have found Bryan's return incredibly underwhelming and while I don't think he has cooled enough for the fans at large to buy his turn, I'm definitely on board with it.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Nov 14, 2018 3:53:40 GMT -5
It annoys me that they could turn Bryan, who was their most over face since Rock/Austin, yet they couldn’t do it with Cena who was needing a heel turn for years. It is great that he’s finally getting a proper WWE championship reign though. Bryan didn’t have the years of setting Make-A-Wish records that Cena did. I don’t see it as hypocritical or a slap in the face. This turn is a WAY better business decision than a Cena turn could ever be. I don’t know, WCW did alright when they pulled the trigger on a Hogan heel turn. But I guess that didn’t last.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 4:17:07 GMT -5
If we get Best in the World, American Dragon Bryan, then I'll be happy. If we get snivelling, chickenshit, generic heel #6 Bryan, I'll lose what little faith I had left in this company. But that’s what made people like him in the first place. He was an amazing chickenshit who slowly turned into an amazing crazy person who slowly turned into the smile underdog. Clearly, being that goody two shoes wasn’t cutting it anymore as he continuesly tried and failed to get the title that way. He wanted the title more than anything, and what better way to get that title than to finally snap and revert back into said cocky chickenshit heel champ mode?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 4:35:38 GMT -5
By now kind of settled into where I can see where they were setting it up and some of the arguments for doing it... But man this just absolutely kills all my interest in anything related to Bryan. I just plain don't want to watch him as a heel, it's just not the capacity I enjoy the character in. For me, this has increased my interest in Bryan, by tenfold. I’m with Pigwell, DB’s underdog story is over. There’s only so many times WWE can replay that video of him holding the two belts at the end of WM30 before he stops looking like that plucky upstart. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for him to keep clinging to that “can Bryan overcome WWE’s doubts” meta-narrative if he’s going to tap out and run over hosses like Cass. Smackdown does need to create some new babyfaces to restore the balance of good/bad, that’s the one issue I have with it. But DBry’s been a damn good heel in the past, and like I said I’m glad they’re not pigeonholing him into the same role he’s played for the last five years anymore. Eh. Different strokes I suppose. Really I've just never liked him nearly as much as a heel (like full disclosure, while I certainly liked him before that most of my Bryan love really started at that Extreme Rules match with Orton) and him playing the underdog hasn't gotten old to me yet. Good for people who like it I guess but honestly I'm probably not watching SmackDown for the foreseeable future because between this, Miz currently doing nothing, Becky being injured, and Rusev being booked into the ground I've lost everything on it I actually care about.
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Post by MAGGLE on Nov 14, 2018 5:04:24 GMT -5
I am a huge Bryan fan but this is the right choice. His return has been awful from both sides. Daniel just acts like he is happy to be there (rightfully so but not exactly a signal for a motivated ME) and the writers just make him out to be this legend who returned, but has really no other struggle going on. So at least this gives us something a bit more creative. If Bryan feels more comfortable this way its fine.
On his WWE Title win: I am so happy for him. This guy literally fought every single person in this industry to return and he not only made it, he won the WWE title as well! Fight for your dreams and your dreams will fight for you is such a positive message that no one can hate on it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 14, 2018 5:21:57 GMT -5
Just read that Bryan has been pushing the turn. So.....maybe ease up on crying about what big jerks the company is?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 5:33:28 GMT -5
Just read that Bryan has been pushing the turn. So.....maybe ease up on crying about what big jerks the company is? That’s usually what happens. I’m no different, but everyone almost always jumps to conclusions about how this or that is “a spit in the face by Vince to the fans/the worker.” Sure, he’s done some dumb shit, but this goes to show that we really don’t know what goes down behind the scenes at times.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Nov 14, 2018 5:47:18 GMT -5
Goddamnit Road Dogg.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 14, 2018 5:53:07 GMT -5
With Bryan turning heel, could we see Johnny Gargano on the Main Roster after Takeover War Games?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 14, 2018 6:31:41 GMT -5
With Bryan turning heel, could we see Johnny Gargano on the Main Roster after Takeover War Games? A heel DBry acting like the cock of the walk veteran against Gargano in his own Bryan-style underdog run could potentially be good.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 14, 2018 6:42:59 GMT -5
I do love how the moment he turns heel you can notice the change I mannerisms and fail expression. the way he his body is slight forward and not upright chest out the smile is not the goofy lovable but more sinister.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 14, 2018 6:44:39 GMT -5
It annoys me that they could turn Bryan, who was their most over face since Rock/Austin, yet they couldn’t do it with Cena who was needing a heel turn for years. It is great that he’s finally getting a proper WWE championship reign though. Bryan didn’t have the years of setting Make-A-Wish records that Cena did. I don’t see it as hypocritical or a slap in the face. This turn is a WAY better business decision than a Cena turn could ever be. honestly that is no excuse. all main avenger do close to cena in make a wish. they may not have years but in the same time frame they so the same.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 14, 2018 7:18:17 GMT -5
I think for some, while it can be argued that it'd be tough to do more "can he overcome <whatever>?" storylines it did seem like the ultimate comeback story for him would have been having a heel Miz win the WWE title, Bryan finally come through to win the Rumble, then set up their final confrontation at Mania to lead to Bryan's true, declarative "I'm back" moment. Since it now appears that isn't happening, I get some people being bummed about it. Again, that's the catharsis I think a lot of people wanted; get through that, THEN start charting out a potential turn.
For the record, "I'm THAT much better than you, deal with it" Best in the World Bryan Danielson is one of my all-time favorite performers and characters, but I do have a tough time seeing WWE pulling that character off well. Again, I'm sure Bryan will do good work with whatever he's given, but WWE desperately needs to improve how it books heels...well, babyfaces, too, but let's focus on heels for the moment. You'd hope that what's happened with Becky shows them there are more ways to go with it, but it's tough to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 7:53:29 GMT -5
goddamn this shit is old. I can't believe they made me mad with a Daniel Bryan title run.
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