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Post by Cyno on May 21, 2019 2:21:26 GMT -5
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Post by clifford on May 21, 2019 3:17:01 GMT -5
OK, here's the thing. If you had told me that at the end of season 6 that the following would be how the series goes:
- Daenerys goes mad and slaughters Kings Landing, only to be killed by Jon Snow - Jon is sent back to the Night's Watch (with Ghost!) - Bran rules the 7 (6) kingdoms, and succession of a monarch is now by vote, not by birth right - The North becomes independent, with Sansa Stark as Queen in the North - The Night King and his armies are defeated at Winterfell by the combined armies of the North and Dany's, Arya lands the killing blow to the Night King - Arya decides to go explore the lands west of Westeros - Cersei and Jamie die together in an embrace - Tyrion ends up Hand of the King
Like, that's actually quite a cool, dare I even say satisfying, way for the series to end up.
Now, HOW they got there is a completely different story. 13 episodes of utterly bizarre character progressions and plot contrivances; entire plots and subplots abandoned or brushed aside to cater to these decisions; seasons-strong character arcs annihilated to facilitate getting to the end of the story in as streamlined a way possible.
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Post by ToyfareMark on May 21, 2019 7:27:56 GMT -5
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on May 21, 2019 7:34:37 GMT -5
OK, here's the thing. If you had told me that at the end of season 6 that the following would be how the series goes: - Daenerys goes mad and slaughters Kings Landing, only to be killed by Jon Snow - Jon is sent back to the Night's Watch (with Ghost!) - Bran rules the 7 (6) kingdoms, and succession of a monarch is now by vote, not by birth right - The North becomes independent, with Sansa Stark as Queen in the North - The Night King and his armies are defeated at Winterfell by the combined armies of the North and Dany's, Arya lands the killing blow to the Night King - Arya decides to go explore the lands west of Westeros - Cersei and Jamie die together in an embrace - Tyrion ends up Hand of the King Like, that's actually quite a cool, dare I even say satisfying, way for the series to end up. Now, HOW they got there is a completely different story. 13 episodes of utterly bizarre character progressions and plot contrivances; entire plots and subplots abandoned or brushed aside to cater to these decisions; seasons-strong character arcs annihilated to facilitate getting to the end of the story in as streamlined a way possible. I agree. The ending is fine. I perhaps would have gone for Davos or Gendry as king. But yeah, like you, execution was poor. Way too rushed, key scenes like Jon telling Sansa and Arya the truth and the aftermath of Jon killing Dany were left out. Plus Dany as mad queen had more mileage.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on May 21, 2019 7:35:47 GMT -5
interesting question which one would you have preferred the story to be told the LONG VERSION (season 1-6) or the SHORT VERSION (season 7-8) The final 13 episodes should’ve been 20-30 episodes. None of my complaints are with the story points themselves, just the rushed nature of the final 2 seasons. I think they told a good story, they just needed time to let things breathe Agreed. There was so many scebes we should have seen but didn't because of the rush job. And motivations being rushed.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 21, 2019 9:21:33 GMT -5
A very good video that lays out a fair amount of my criticisms with the ending.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on May 21, 2019 11:18:22 GMT -5
So after thinking about it, here's how I would have handled the political ending:
-Sansa is named is Queen of the 7 Kingdoms, she has a "good story" that makes her sympathetic to the common people and being a Northman means her rule would be accepted by the North and it would be a good first step to easing the tensions between the North and the other kingdoms.
-Davos is made her hand, he's a smart, pragmatic individual with years of experience and success as an adviser. The role would fit him perfectly.
-Bronn is giving his castle and is made Master of War instead of coin, it's been established that he's a great soldier and a veteran of several battles.
-Bran is master of whispers because of the whole being able to see anything, thing.
-Tyrion is master of coin, cause I can't think of anyone else honestly.
-One of the Ironborn is Master of ships, Yara would be a good choice but she's already the leader of the Iron islands so I can't see her abandoning that to be on the small council.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 21, 2019 11:27:30 GMT -5
As far as the politics, I think it should have ended with the Seven Kingdoms dissolved (as symbolized by the Iron Throne being melted), perhaps with some sort of standing counsel of kings. A Westerosi EU or UN.
It was only Aegon's fire and blood that brought them together as one kingdom anyway, and with everything that has happened it just doesn't seem likely that Westeros would remain a united Seven Six Kingdoms
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on May 21, 2019 11:54:22 GMT -5
had the CRAZIEST idea after it ..... since daenerys is my fav character i had her being RESURRECTED TWO HUNDRED AND NINE YEARS LATER by an unknown deep voiced old man and a group of "red women" drogon is still there and the old man tells her that a NEW SET of leaders with dragons have ruled over a more advanced and slightly changed world with FIVE thrones and four seated but the fifth is empty and that one is going to be filled by a new and far more destructive dragon lord who's skin is INFUSED with dragon glass particles now we don't know what the dagger was made of, just a normal metal bladed one right, so just a normal stab would into her heart would end her? and it was STILL inside her as she was carried away? we didn't see any blood flowing away when she was on the ground, just from her mouth, unlike when jon was betrayed for the watch and we SAW his blood leaving his body on the ground ..... westeros is a weird place isn't it
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Post by Dub H on May 21, 2019 12:03:49 GMT -5
had the CRAZIEST idea after it ..... since daenerys is my fav character i had her being RESURRECTED TWO HUNDRED AND NINE YEARS LATER by an unknown deep voiced old man and a group of "red women" drogon is still there and the old man tells her that a NEW SET of leaders with dragons have ruled over a more advanced and slightly changed world with FIVE thrones and four seated but the fifth is empty and that one is going to be filled by a new and far more destructive dragon lord who's skin is INFUSED with dragon glass particles now we don't know what the dagger was made of, just a normal metal bladed one right, so just a normal stab would into her heart would end her? and it was STILL inside her as she was carried away? we didn't see any blood flowing away when she was on the ground, just from her mouth, unlike when jon was betrayed for the watch and we SAW his blood leaving his body on the ground ..... westeros is a weird place isn't it We did see a pool of blood coming from under her body.making abig red ash under her.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 21, 2019 12:05:07 GMT -5
Why did we have a scene without Tyrion arranging chairs but not one of Jon Snow being taken into custody? Did he surrender himself and to whom was he found near the blood or did he come forth to someone or everyone, what was their reaction? Jesus that's such easy character developement. He stabbed her then scene change he's in a cell. I would hazard a guess that it's because not even D&D could figure out how to write Grey Worm and the Dothraki not killing Jon where he stood, in their rage at finding out he murdered their queen. I just realized that only Drogon saw Jon kill Dany, and he flew away with her anyway. Jon should have just said she went to the store and would be back any minute. After a few months, he should say, 'man, that line at Walmart is something else, I tell you...'
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Post by Dub H on May 21, 2019 12:05:58 GMT -5
As far as the politics, I think it should have ended with the Seven Kingdoms dissolved (as symbolized by the Iron Throne being melted), perhaps with some sort of standing counsel of kings. A Westerosi EU or UN. It was only Aegon's fire and blood that brought them together as one kingdom anyway, and with everything that has happened it just doesn't seem likely that Westeros would remain a united Seven Six Kingdoms Can we talk about Sansa's leaving the six kingdom is a total dick move? All the Houses ,representing the seven kingdoms voted,Bran STARK won the vote. The Starks are leaders of the North.And right after a Stark is king another Stark goes "Now that a stark is king,we are leaving the 7 Kingdoms lolsuckit". So basically they voted for a house that is NOT part of the Kingdoms to lead the Kingdoms
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 21, 2019 12:19:07 GMT -5
I would hazard a guess that it's because not even D&D could figure out how to write Grey Worm and the Dothraki not killing Jon where he stood, in their rage at finding out he murdered their queen. I just realized that only Drogon saw Jon kill Dany, and he flew away with her anyway. Jon should have just said she went to the store and would be back any minute. After a few months, he should say, 'man, that line at Walmart is something else, I tell you...' You forget that when Jon came back to life his brain stayed dead. Actually I would have loved some clarification on the rules of his resurrection. We know he can die from injury, because Dondarrion did. Does he age though? We know he must have a functioning circulatory system because of how he boinked his aunt.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 21, 2019 12:20:13 GMT -5
As far as the politics, I think it should have ended with the Seven Kingdoms dissolved (as symbolized by the Iron Throne being melted), perhaps with some sort of standing counsel of kings. A Westerosi EU or UN. It was only Aegon's fire and blood that brought them together as one kingdom anyway, and with everything that has happened it just doesn't seem likely that Westeros would remain a united Seven Six Kingdoms Can we talk about Sansa's leaving the six kingdom is a total dick move? All the Houses ,representing the seven kingdoms voted,Bran STARK won the vote. The Starks are leaders of the North.And right after a Stark is king another Stark goes "Now that a stark is king,we are leaving the 7 Kingdoms lolsuckit". So basically they voted for a house that is NOT part of the Kingdoms to lead the Kingdoms King of the Six Kingdoms Brandon Stark Queen in the North Sansa Stark King Beyond the Wall Jon Snow Drowned in the horrible oceans that no one returns from because she has f*** all sailing experience, Arya Stark
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 21, 2019 12:28:46 GMT -5
I would hazard a guess that it's because not even D&D could figure out how to write Grey Worm and the Dothraki not killing Jon where he stood, in their rage at finding out he murdered their queen. I just realized that only Drogon saw Jon kill Dany, and he flew away with her anyway. Jon should have just said she went to the store and would be back any minute. After a few months, he should say, 'man, that line at Walmart is something else, I tell you...' He’s Jon f***ing Snow. If he ate the last Oreo, he’d send a raven to immediately inform you and then feel guilty and mope around for a year. Dude would’ve immediately told everyone what he did
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on May 21, 2019 12:29:37 GMT -5
had the CRAZIEST idea after it ..... since daenerys is my fav character i had her being RESURRECTED TWO HUNDRED AND NINE YEARS LATER by an unknown deep voiced old man and a group of "red women" drogon is still there and the old man tells her that a NEW SET of leaders with dragons have ruled over a more advanced and slightly changed world with FIVE thrones and four seated but the fifth is empty and that one is going to be filled by a new and far more destructive dragon lord who's skin is INFUSED with dragon glass particles now we don't know what the dagger was made of, just a normal metal bladed one right, so just a normal stab would into her heart would end her? and it was STILL inside her as she was carried away? we didn't see any blood flowing away when she was on the ground, just from her mouth, unlike when jon was betrayed for the watch and we SAW his blood leaving his body on the ground ..... westeros is a weird place isn't it We did see a pool of blood coming from under her body.making abig red ash under her. but the rest of it is perfectly logical right aye we get to see it proper when drogon leaves but with how open ended the endings were ..... something something blood magic something something who knows what happened between then and the very next scene! remember the master in doctor who and darth vader's helmet .....
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Post by Dub H on May 21, 2019 12:30:23 GMT -5
I just realized that only Drogon saw Jon kill Dany, and he flew away with her anyway. Jon should have just said she went to the store and would be back any minute. After a few months, he should say, 'man, that line at Walmart is something else, I tell you...' You forget that when Jon came back to life his brain stayed dead. Actually I would have loved some clarification on the rules of his resurrection. We know he can die from injury, because Dondarrion did. Does he age though? We know he must have a functioning circulatory system because of how he boinked his aunt. I like the theory of what happens in the book {Spoiler}In the book all starks can Warg,so the theor is that before diying Jon warged into Ghost.
Not sure how they fix his body,but sounds more clever than just "the gods want you"
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 21, 2019 12:34:14 GMT -5
You forget that when Jon came back to life his brain stayed dead. Actually I would have loved some clarification on the rules of his resurrection. We know he can die from injury, because Dondarrion did. Does he age though? We know he must have a functioning circulatory system because of how he boinked his aunt. I like the theory of what happens in the book {Spoiler}{Spoiler}In the book all starks can Warg,so the theor is that before diying Jon warged into Ghost.
Not sure how they fix his body,but sounds more clever than just "the gods want you" Presumably what you said helps avoid the mental deterioration that plagued Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart, and the presumptive burning of Shireen will complete the resurrection. Maybe Stannis falls and Melisandre burns her to resurrect Azor Ahai, then Jon pops up.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 21, 2019 12:34:40 GMT -5
I just realized that only Drogon saw Jon kill Dany, and he flew away with her anyway. Jon should have just said she went to the store and would be back any minute. After a few months, he should say, 'man, that line at Walmart is something else, I tell you...' He’s Jon f***ing Snow. If he ate the last Oreo, he’d send a raven to immediately inform you and then feel guilty and mope around for a year. Dude would’ve immediately told everyone what he did I DUN WANT IT. I.....KINDA WANT IT. *MUNCH*
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 21, 2019 12:41:54 GMT -5
As far as the politics, I think it should have ended with the Seven Kingdoms dissolved (as symbolized by the Iron Throne being melted), perhaps with some sort of standing counsel of kings. A Westerosi EU or UN. It was only Aegon's fire and blood that brought them together as one kingdom anyway, and with everything that has happened it just doesn't seem likely that Westeros would remain a united Seven Six Kingdoms Can we talk about Sansa's leaving the six kingdom is a total dick move? All the Houses ,representing the seven kingdoms voted,Bran STARK won the vote. The Starks are leaders of the North.And right after a Stark is king another Stark goes "Now that a stark is king,we are leaving the 7 Kingdoms lolsuckit". So basically they voted for a house that is NOT part of the Kingdoms to lead the Kingdoms Considering that for example England was ruled for most of its history by a bunch of Frenchmen and Germans, there's a lot of real world precedents for that.
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