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Post by corndog on Jan 9, 2019 23:28:14 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with Sting as his legacy is still cemented by his NWA/WCW days. If AEW becomes the next WCW with Omega leading the charge, his legacy can be cemented even without a WWE run. If AEW fails to become that legitimate number 2 worldwide company, then yes he may miss his window of opportunity in WWE, assuming he’s signing a 3+ year contract with AEW. I'm strictly talking about Sting's WWE career. Nowhere in my post did I say "Sting's legacy is screwed up from his time in the WWE", I'm saying that Sting's WWE career wasn't good and his latter TNA career wasn't good either. We all know Sting is Sting based on his earlier career but the point I was making is that I hope Omega doesn't eventually come to the WWE broken down and a shadow of himself like Sting. Sting had a solid run for most of TNA, I even enjoyed crazy Heath Ledger joker Sting. Yeah his WWE run was underwhelming and jobbing to HHH at Wrestle Mania was disappointing. But it proved that Sting was right, he would have had to kiss the ring no matter when he went, as he was WCW's franchise and Vince has to prove his guys are/were the best. Personally, I think Sting made the right move by going to WWE at the very tail end of his career where his legacy was cemented and he was immune to WWE's booking, no matter how terrible. While many would have liked to see Sting never go to WWE, at this point in time WWE basically controls the legacies of any wrestler that performed before the current era. It was Sting's best chance to have some retirement cushion getting extra merch cash. I am sure he has made a nice chunk of change off WWE. If this would be Kenny's route, I would respect it if AEW doesn't go the long term.
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 10, 2019 0:04:57 GMT -5
Honestly Sting needed that WWE run for his legacy. Look at his WON HOF votes before and after WWE. Sting had some good matches in his time, by nowhere near enough to be considered for that.
His case was that he got over and was the face of early-to-mid 90's WCW, even though buyrates were almost nonexistent before Hogan and the only big PPV number he definitely drew was Starrcade. Did a lot of great character work in TNA in his last few years with the company and was arguably their biggest draw, but remember only like 20,000 people were buying those shows. And obviously, he wasn't drawing live gate money because TNA just doesn't in general.
So all Sting had going for him before 2014 was that he had been a solid worker who was on top of a dead company that didn't explode in measurable revenue terms until Hogan showed up, and was a big name for a company that drew a million people to watch on TV every week but couldn't convince them to actually spend money on the product. Which is, well, the whole point of pro wrestling.
But then, he got really over with an entirely new fan base in WWE who had never seen Sting live (After comparing TNA's audience size with WWE's) just with the video game commercial before he came in. He had two good matches and probably would have had a few more PPV main events if that freak accident with Rollins hadn't of occurred. No surprise that he got voted in a few months after his run there ended.
(And yes, I know the WON HOF isn't perfect and it has a lot of flaws, especially with Mexico. But when it comes to Sting pre WWE it's pretty cut-and-dry)
As far as Omega's legacy being tied to AEW now, it depends. Is Omega going to continue working full time with NJPW and breaking the star rating every three months? If he keeps that going for the next three or four years, and Tanahashi's longevity has proven that to be possible, it's not going to matter if AEW completely bombs and he does nothing stateside in that time frame. He's going to be by far the greatest gajin of all time, and arguably already is save for Hansen. And considering how much he loves Japan, I'm sure he'd be pretty happy with that.
If he isn't and he's all AEW from now on, that's going to make it harder to separate the two
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jan 10, 2019 0:21:35 GMT -5
Doesn't AEW want 5 years on a contract out the gate? That would put Omega right at 40 I think when it ended. If he wants to give AEW a shot his best bet might be to do just two years so no matter what he'd have some time left for at least an AJ type WWE run.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 10, 2019 0:41:19 GMT -5
Doesn't AEW want 5 years on a contract out the gate? That would put Omega right at 40 I think when it ended. If he wants to give AEW a shot his best bet might be to do just two years so no matter what he'd have some time left for at least an AJ type WWE run. Rumor is Cody/Brandi and the Bucks for 5-year deals and the rest of the wrestlers for 3 years.
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Post by Convoy on Jan 10, 2019 1:48:46 GMT -5
Doesn't AEW want 5 years on a contract out the gate? That would put Omega right at 40 I think when it ended. If he wants to give AEW a shot his best bet might be to do just two years so no matter what he'd have some time left for at least an AJ type WWE run. Rumor is Cody/Brandi and the Bucks for 5-year deals and the rest of the wrestlers for 3 years. Plus the contracts are non-exclusive for specific situations. It was noted that Jericho can do another cruise or wrestle Tanahashi in New Japan; Janela can book and wrestle for GCW and hold his Spring Break shows; Strong Hearts can continue their relationships with Wrestle-1 and PWG. I’m sure they would let Omega leave early, or allow him to work for New Japan if he wants to continue there. That second part really falls on NJPW to agree.
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Post by MAGGLE on Jan 10, 2019 4:02:01 GMT -5
Do you think he's like, literally being held hostage or something? Yea, also just quitting your contract comes with a lot of BS and is a sunken cost as you'd lose a shit ton of money
You can't just make up some bullshit to get out of a contract, that's not the way it works
Thank god every country has the same laws right. So again dont take it too serious. I dont have a clue about that kind of stuff regarding the US and was just speculating. Thanks for clearing it up everyone here. Sounds really bad to be honest. A contract is really only protecting the workers and not the company where I am from, but I guess its different in the mighty free market. Sorry And I just love that moving back to the place that you came from is a BS reason. He could leave, are you telling me he could not work in the US for 3 years just because he had a prior contract? Thats does not make much sense...I mean that probably is the case since you guys are getting hyped up about it.
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Post by TGM on Jan 10, 2019 5:36:45 GMT -5
Yea, also just quitting your contract comes with a lot of BS and is a sunken cost as you'd lose a shit ton of money
You can't just make up some bullshit to get out of a contract, that's not the way it works
Thank god every country has the same laws right. So again dont take it too serious. I dont have a clue about that kind of stuff regarding the US and was just speculating. Thanks for clearing it up everyone here. Sounds really bad to be honest. A contract is really only protecting the workers and not the company where I am from, but I guess its different in the mighty free market. Sorry And I just love that moving back to the place that you came from is a BS reason. He could leave, are you telling me he could not work in the US for 3 years just because he had a prior contract? Thats does not make much sense...I mean that probably is the case since you guys are getting hyped up about it. If he's contracted to New Japan he can only work for them exclusively, it doesn't matter what country they promote a show. As long as the correct work visas are in place that is.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 10, 2019 8:18:47 GMT -5
Yea, also just quitting your contract comes with a lot of BS and is a sunken cost as you'd lose a shit ton of money
You can't just make up some bullshit to get out of a contract, that's not the way it works
Thank god every country has the same laws right. So again dont take it too serious. I dont have a clue about that kind of stuff regarding the US and was just speculating. Thanks for clearing it up everyone here. Sounds really bad to be honest. A contract is really only protecting the workers and not the company where I am from, but I guess its different in the mighty free market. Sorry And I just love that moving back to the place that you came from is a BS reason. He could leave, are you telling me he could not work in the US for 3 years just because he had a prior contract? Thats does not make much sense...I mean that probably is the case since you guys are getting hyped up about it. Has nothing to do with the country. He could work in the US if his contract allows for it or if who he is contracted to allows it, as long as he has the proper work visa (since he’s not a US citizen). It all depends what the contract says really. You sign the contract, then you abide by what it says. Out of curiosity,what country are you from where this is not the case ?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 10, 2019 8:25:18 GMT -5
Yea, also just quitting your contract comes with a lot of BS and is a sunken cost as you'd lose a shit ton of money
You can't just make up some bullshit to get out of a contract, that's not the way it works
Thank god every country has the same laws right. So again dont take it too serious. I dont have a clue about that kind of stuff regarding the US and was just speculating. Thanks for clearing it up everyone here. Sounds really bad to be honest. A contract is really only protecting the workers and not the company where I am from, but I guess its different in the mighty free market. Sorry And I just love that moving back to the place that you came from is a BS reason. He could leave, are you telling me he could not work in the US for 3 years just because he had a prior contract? Thats does not make much sense...I mean that probably is the case since you guys are getting hyped up about it. At barest minimum, he contract makes commitments for a number of worked dates and a certain span of time, and to terminate it requires the company to say yes; if not, you sit around at home collecting your downside and doing nothing. If you could just up and leave, Neville wouldn't have spent most of 2018 on his couch. He's not signing a contract to work in a country, he's signing a contract to work for a company, he can't go do something else and the country he's in has nothing to do with it. There's no law forcing him to stay in a country, but if he's signed a contract committing to working there and a valid work visa is in place, yeah the expectation is that he does, and any acrimonious refusal that seems him get on a plane and f*** off to another country is opening him up to breach of contract clauses that will penalize him for breaking those commitments. He can decide he's done, but WWE doesn't have to decide to let him loose; he can sit around doing nothing for the remainder of his contract, and if seven months in he decides to run back off to Japan or to AEW, why in the fresh hell would WWE let him go? At that point it's not even WWE doing anything wrong, it's someone making promises he intends to break and only being restricted from that by the fact those promises are legally binding. But this is still a weird hypothetical to assume because there's no reason for him to play weird contract games like that. He can just go where he is most welcome and avoid all of the legal f***ing about in this convoluted scenario where he would have to get into a legal fight with WWE that would likely run longer than the remainder of his contract and block him out anyway.
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Post by MAGGLE on Jan 10, 2019 9:04:14 GMT -5
Thank god every country has the same laws right. So again dont take it too serious. I dont have a clue about that kind of stuff regarding the US and was just speculating. Thanks for clearing it up everyone here. Sounds really bad to be honest. A contract is really only protecting the workers and not the company where I am from, but I guess its different in the mighty free market. Sorry And I just love that moving back to the place that you came from is a BS reason. He could leave, are you telling me he could not work in the US for 3 years just because he had a prior contract? Thats does not make much sense...I mean that probably is the case since you guys are getting hyped up about it. At barest minimum, he contract makes commitments for a number of worked dates and a certain span of time, and to terminate it requires the company to say yes; if not, you sit around at home collecting your downside and doing nothing. If you could just up and leave, Neville wouldn't have spent most of 2018 on his couch. He's not signing a contract to work in a country, he's signing a contract to work for a company, he can't go do something else and the country he's in has nothing to do with it. There's no law forcing him to stay in a country, but if he's signed a contract committing to working there and a valid work visa is in place, yeah the expectation is that he does, and any acrimonious refusal that seems him get on a plane and f*** off to another country is opening him up to breach of contract clauses that will penalize him for breaking those commitments. He can decide he's done, but WWE doesn't have to decide to let him loose; he can sit around doing nothing for the remainder of his contract, and if seven months in he decides to run back off to Japan or to AEW, why in the fresh hell would WWE let him go? At that point it's not even WWE doing anything wrong, it's someone making promises he intends to break and only being restricted from that by the fact those promises are legally binding. But this is still a weird hypothetical to assume because there's no reason for him to play weird contract games like that. He can just go where he is most welcome and avoid all of the legal f***ing about in this convoluted scenario where he would have to get into a legal fight with WWE that would likely run longer than the remainder of his contract and block him out anyway. Of course it is a weird hypothetical (which I implied already though not to even take remotely serious) but as someone who actually used this excuse to get out of contracts, you know actual experience . Makes it kinda dumb to even dicuss it with people here who just talk to you like you are a toddler although I have an MBA and actual international work experience. WWE let Jeff Hardy go , they believed his BS and he showed up on Impact later. Omega could possibly tell them listen my boyfriend is in Japan, I live in Japan. I miss everyone, let me go home please. Thats an out of ordinary reason to terminate a contract (again 100% sure since I used this, not in NA though you experts) . If I go to the competition I can get sued (Duh) . But who gives a crap when you have 8x the money Vince has again? Again this is a hypothetical , no reason to even take it serious.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 10, 2019 9:09:07 GMT -5
At barest minimum, he contract makes commitments for a number of worked dates and a certain span of time, and to terminate it requires the company to say yes; if not, you sit around at home collecting your downside and doing nothing. If you could just up and leave, Neville wouldn't have spent most of 2018 on his couch. He's not signing a contract to work in a country, he's signing a contract to work for a company, he can't go do something else and the country he's in has nothing to do with it. There's no law forcing him to stay in a country, but if he's signed a contract committing to working there and a valid work visa is in place, yeah the expectation is that he does, and any acrimonious refusal that seems him get on a plane and f*** off to another country is opening him up to breach of contract clauses that will penalize him for breaking those commitments. He can decide he's done, but WWE doesn't have to decide to let him loose; he can sit around doing nothing for the remainder of his contract, and if seven months in he decides to run back off to Japan or to AEW, why in the fresh hell would WWE let him go? At that point it's not even WWE doing anything wrong, it's someone making promises he intends to break and only being restricted from that by the fact those promises are legally binding. But this is still a weird hypothetical to assume because there's no reason for him to play weird contract games like that. He can just go where he is most welcome and avoid all of the legal f***ing about in this convoluted scenario where he would have to get into a legal fight with WWE that would likely run longer than the remainder of his contract and block him out anyway. Of course it is a weird hypothetical (which I implied already though not to even take remotely serious) but as someone who actually used this excuse to get out of contracts, you know actual experience . Makes it kinda dumb to even dicuss it with people here who just talk to you like you are a toddler although I have an MBA and actual international work experience. WWE let Jeff Hardy go , they believed his BS and he showed up on Impact later. Omega could possibly tell them listen my boyfriend is in Japan, I live in Japan. I miss everyone, let me go home please. Thats an out of ordinary reason to terminate a contract (again 100% sure since I used this, not in NA though you experts) . If I go to the competition I can get sued (Duh) . But who gives a crap when you have 8x the money Vince has again? Again this is a hypothetical , no reason to even take it serious. Man this is a really condescending answer that ignores the central point of "They did this thing with Neville, it's not going to work and they'll see right through it". They did it with Rey, did it with Bryan, did it with everyone. Jeff got out and WWE has since been stubborn about letting anyone they see value in out of their contracts, and they will see all the value in the world in a man they've made a 3.5 million dollar offer to. But sure dude you have fun with this or whatever.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 10, 2019 19:19:29 GMT -5
Yea, also just quitting your contract comes with a lot of BS and is a sunken cost as you'd lose a shit ton of money
You can't just make up some bullshit to get out of a contract, that's not the way it works
Thank god every country has the same laws right. So again dont take it too serious. I dont have a clue about that kind of stuff regarding the US and was just speculating. Thanks for clearing it up everyone here. Sounds really bad to be honest. A contract is really only protecting the workers and not the company where I am from, but I guess its different in the mighty free market. Sorry And I just love that moving back to the place that you came from is a BS reason. He could leave, are you telling me he could not work in the US for 3 years just because he had a prior contract? Thats does not make much sense...I mean that probably is the case since you guys are getting hyped up about it. There is literally no country on any planet in any galaxy in the universe that a party can breach a contract and not face any consequences. There's literally no purpose of a contract existing if that could happen.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 10, 2019 19:22:53 GMT -5
At barest minimum, he contract makes commitments for a number of worked dates and a certain span of time, and to terminate it requires the company to say yes; if not, you sit around at home collecting your downside and doing nothing. If you could just up and leave, Neville wouldn't have spent most of 2018 on his couch. He's not signing a contract to work in a country, he's signing a contract to work for a company, he can't go do something else and the country he's in has nothing to do with it. There's no law forcing him to stay in a country, but if he's signed a contract committing to working there and a valid work visa is in place, yeah the expectation is that he does, and any acrimonious refusal that seems him get on a plane and f*** off to another country is opening him up to breach of contract clauses that will penalize him for breaking those commitments. He can decide he's done, but WWE doesn't have to decide to let him loose; he can sit around doing nothing for the remainder of his contract, and if seven months in he decides to run back off to Japan or to AEW, why in the fresh hell would WWE let him go? At that point it's not even WWE doing anything wrong, it's someone making promises he intends to break and only being restricted from that by the fact those promises are legally binding. But this is still a weird hypothetical to assume because there's no reason for him to play weird contract games like that. He can just go where he is most welcome and avoid all of the legal f***ing about in this convoluted scenario where he would have to get into a legal fight with WWE that would likely run longer than the remainder of his contract and block him out anyway. Of course it is a weird hypothetical (which I implied already though not to even take remotely serious) but as someone who actually used this excuse to get out of contracts, you know actual experience . Makes it kinda dumb to even dicuss it with people here who just talk to you like you are a toddler although I have an MBA and actual international work experience. WWE let Jeff Hardy go , they believed his BS and he showed up on Impact later. Omega could possibly tell them listen my boyfriend is in Japan, I live in Japan. I miss everyone, let me go home please. Thats an out of ordinary reason to terminate a contract (again 100% sure since I used this, not in NA though you experts) . If I go to the competition I can get sued (Duh) . But who gives a crap when you have 8x the money Vince has again? Again this is a hypothetical , no reason to even take it serious. I'm not sure why you think any of this is even a remote possibility.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 10, 2019 19:45:02 GMT -5
Also as far as who is or is not an "expert", there's a very important matter in terms of which jurisdiction a contract falls under, which inform the laws of the contract's terms. It doesn't matter if every country has the same laws, it matters which laws govern the contract and where these matters are therefore looked at in court. All of WWE's business is handled within the state of Connecticut and part of signing the contract is agreeing that the contract will be enforced under those laws and that all legal matters will be dealt with in that state's courts. This is basic jurisdictional stuff, it doesn't matter if he's a citizen in Japan or born in Canada when he enters into an agreement to work for an American company outlining in clear terms how the contract functions in regards to it as a legal entity.
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Post by MAGGLE on Jan 10, 2019 20:40:03 GMT -5
Of course it is a weird hypothetical (which I implied already though not to even take remotely serious) but as someone who actually used this excuse to get out of contracts, you know actual experience . Makes it kinda dumb to even dicuss it with people here who just talk to you like you are a toddler although I have an MBA and actual international work experience. WWE let Jeff Hardy go , they believed his BS and he showed up on Impact later. Omega could possibly tell them listen my boyfriend is in Japan, I live in Japan. I miss everyone, let me go home please. Thats an out of ordinary reason to terminate a contract (again 100% sure since I used this, not in NA though you experts) . If I go to the competition I can get sued (Duh) . But who gives a crap when you have 8x the money Vince has again? Again this is a hypothetical , no reason to even take it serious. I'm not sure why you think any of this is even a remote possibility. I f***ing dont thats what makes me so god damn angry in the first place. Its a crazy scenario that makes zero sense. But instead of you guys being like "huh thats dumb" and going on with it...I am instead discussing a joke answer seriously. Why is this always happening. I am at fault for even answering.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 21:19:00 GMT -5
He can decide he's done, but WWE doesn't have to decide to let him loose; he can sit around doing nothing for the remainder of his contract, and if seven months in he decides to run back off to Japan or to AEW, why in the fresh hell would WWE let him go? This is the first time I've seen the term "fresh hell" used in a sentence. Hell's fresh, it's so fresh. Exciting! It's so exciting to me, yeah.
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Post by edgestar on Jan 10, 2019 22:53:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure why you think any of this is even a remote possibility. I f***ing dont thats what makes me so god damn angry in the first place. Its a crazy scenario that makes zero sense. But instead of you guys being like "huh thats dumb" and going on with it...I am instead discussing a joke answer seriously. Why is this always happening. I am at fault for even answering. While you aren't "at fault" for answering, this is a forum, where most posters are lighthearted. I will say, though, let's move on with the thread.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 10, 2019 22:56:17 GMT -5
Has Kenny Omega ever publicly stated his favorite Pokemon?
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Post by Larryhausen on Jan 11, 2019 1:40:01 GMT -5
Has Kenny Omega ever publicly stated his favorite Pokemon? He strikes me as a Psyduck kinda guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 1:54:56 GMT -5
Has Kenny Omega ever publicly stated his favorite Pokemon? Jiggly Puff. He takes inspiration in putting me to sleep when he wrestles! *unwarranted burn reaction gif*
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