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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 11, 2019 3:21:51 GMT -5
Has Kenny Omega ever publicly stated his favorite Pokemon? I hate to give a Gen 1 answer, but probably Persian.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 11, 2019 8:15:30 GMT -5
Has Kenny Omega ever publicly stated his favorite Pokemon? He strikes me as a Psyduck kinda guy. You're actually on the ball there.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 11, 2019 8:19:50 GMT -5
He strikes me as a Psyduck kinda guy. You're actually on the ball there. If i'm not mistaken that is his previous one. he said in a interview that his favorite pokemon is....... {Spoiler} Mimikyu!
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 11, 2019 8:22:10 GMT -5
You're actually on the ball there. If i'm not mistaken that is his previous one. he said in a interview that his favorite pokemon is....... {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Mimikyu! I approve wholeheartedly given that my girlfriend and I agreed when it was announced that that Pokemon was our child now and we would die for it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 12:49:34 GMT -5
Yea, also just quitting your contract comes with a lot of BS and is a sunken cost as you'd lose a shit ton of money
You can't just make up some bullshit to get out of a contract, that's not the way it works
Thank god every country has the same laws right. So again dont take it too serious. I dont have a clue about that kind of stuff regarding the US and was just speculating. Thanks for clearing it up everyone here. Sounds really bad to be honest. A contract is really only protecting the workers and not the company where I am from, but I guess its different in the mighty free market. Sorry And I just love that moving back to the place that you came from is a BS reason. He could leave, are you telling me he could not work in the US for 3 years just because he had a prior contract? Thats does not make much sense...I mean that probably is the case since you guys are getting hyped up about it. Why do you keep focusing on country? It does not work that way. He has a contract with New Japan meaning he can’t work for promotions like WWE, TNA etc but as seen that doesn’t prohibit him from working some indies elsewhere in different countries He can’t just quit his contract and make up an excuse as they will sue him for all he’s worth if he even popped up in another promotion while still in contract with another. Neville had to wait until his contract expired for a whole year. They fired Punk after a few months of him not coming back but he worked his dates so he was fine in that sense You don’t really have to understand law, this is just simple stuff that you should have done for work before in regards to signing a contract. The only thing that could hold up Omega from working other places is a visa which he should have already in place
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 12:51:23 GMT -5
Thank god every country has the same laws right. So again dont take it too serious. I dont have a clue about that kind of stuff regarding the US and was just speculating. Thanks for clearing it up everyone here. Sounds really bad to be honest. A contract is really only protecting the workers and not the company where I am from, but I guess its different in the mighty free market. Sorry And I just love that moving back to the place that you came from is a BS reason. He could leave, are you telling me he could not work in the US for 3 years just because he had a prior contract? Thats does not make much sense...I mean that probably is the case since you guys are getting hyped up about it. At barest minimum, he contract makes commitments for a number of worked dates and a certain span of time, and to terminate it requires the company to say yes; if not, you sit around at home collecting your downside and doing nothing. If you could just up and leave, Neville wouldn't have spent most of 2018 on his couch. He's not signing a contract to work in a country, he's signing a contract to work for a company, he can't go do something else and the country he's in has nothing to do with it. There's no law forcing him to stay in a country, but if he's signed a contract committing to working there and a valid work visa is in place, yeah the expectation is that he does, and any acrimonious refusal that seems him get on a plane and f*** off to another country is opening him up to breach of contract clauses that will penalize him for breaking those commitments. He can decide he's done, but WWE doesn't have to decide to let him loose; he can sit around doing nothing for the remainder of his contract, and if seven months in he decides to run back off to Japan or to AEW, why in the fresh hell would WWE let him go? At that point it's not even WWE doing anything wrong, it's someone making promises he intends to break and only being restricted from that by the fact those promises are legally binding. But this is still a weird hypothetical to assume because there's no reason for him to play weird contract games like that. He can just go where he is most welcome and avoid all of the legal f***ing about in this convoluted scenario where he would have to get into a legal fight with WWE that would likely run longer than the remainder of his contract and block him out anyway. If he were to sign a 2 year contract and walk out after the first month he’d be the biggest idiot in the world which is why I really don’t get this hypothetical
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 11, 2019 13:02:33 GMT -5
According to the latest WON, The Bucks and Cody we’re both offered 3 year deals for AJ Styles money that had a 6 month escape clause window where they could walk away if they were unhappy with how things had been going. Wonder if Kenny had a similar out in his offer?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 13:52:07 GMT -5
According to the latest WON, The Bucks and Cody we’re both offered 3 year deals for AJ Styles money that had a 6 month escape clause window where they could walk away if they were unhappy with how things had been going. Wonder if Kenny had a similar out in his offer? Most likely I assume tho that opens the door to talks about how strong will WWE push you for this first 6 months if they think you are going to leave and if you have another out clause like around the 2 year mark
Interesting negotiation almost in an actual sports contract kind of way how they do with MLB
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Post by Dub H on Jan 11, 2019 14:04:41 GMT -5
According to the latest WON, The Bucks and Cody we’re both offered 3 year deals for AJ Styles money that had a 6 month escape clause window where they could walk away if they were unhappy with how things had been going. Wonder if Kenny had a similar out in his offer? Most likely I assume tho that opens the door to talks about how strong will WWE push you for this first 6 months if they think you are going to leave and if you have another out clause like around the 2 year mark Interesting negotiation almost in an actual sports contract kind of way how they do with MLB
Yeh I commented in earlier that Vince would be on his phone desperate to hire anyone involved. and Cody and Bucks are the mastermind and public figure behind, Vince is definitely no dummy when it comes to this and the fact of how he is treating this seriously shows that. Bet he regrets how Cody was treated now
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 11, 2019 14:09:47 GMT -5
Those contracts sound like attempts to bring the whole thing to a screeching halt. Not sure how effective it'd be, but there's no way anyone is getting a strong push in six months if there's a no-consequences out like that. It took longer than six months for AJ to really be treated like a top player and he had no such out in his contract. That honestly sounds like the most "Cool them all off" tactic imaginable. No way they'd be Superstars jobbers or anything, but they wouldn't be looking all that hot until they were committed to staying, and if they're being dicked aorund they wouldn't be happy anyway.
I'm not going to say Vince is scared, but he's definitely not comfortable with any of this.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 14:17:08 GMT -5
Most likely I assume tho that opens the door to talks about how strong will WWE push you for this first 6 months if they think you are going to leave and if you have another out clause like around the 2 year mark Interesting negotiation almost in an actual sports contract kind of way how they do with MLB
Yeh I commented in earlier that Vince would be on his phone desperate to hire anyone involved. and Cody and Bucks are the mastermind and public figure behind, Vince is definitely no dummy when it comes to this and the fact of how he is treating this seriously shows that. Bet he regrets how Cody was treated now I wouldn't say he doubts the way he treated Cody because that's thinking in hindsight and I doubt Vince thinks that way Cody took his destiny in his own hands and made a gold road out of it. The creative way he has warped his mind would not have developed in WWE because he didn't have the proper motivation. He gained that once he left and showed what he can do (after the dream match period was flat-lining)
Also, let's not act like Cody was treated like shit his entire run. It's the Stardust character that ultimately sunk him but he was breaking through that glass ceiling when he was IC champ and he plateaued.
Cody and Juice Robinson are success stories in betting on yourself and coming out in the end better than you ever were. Not everybody has the ability to leave WWE and make something of themselves nor should everyone follow their example but they have shown it can happen
Same way on the flip side for WWE you can go there and be bigger than ever (see AJ Styles). You can argue about his match quality but WWE has put the stamp on him since Day 1 and treated him like a star. He's got money to retire on and if he ever decided to hang it up he would have a WWE job for life if he wants it. That's what guys like Omega who consider WWE want to achieve just 60% of what AJ has done in his 4 years there
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 14:22:55 GMT -5
Those contracts sound like attempts to bring the whole thing to a screeching halt. Not sure how effective it'd be, but there's no way anyone is getting a strong push in six months if there's a no-consequences out like that. It took longer than six months for AJ to really be treated like a top player and he had no such out in his contract. That honestly sounds like the most "Cool them all off" tactic imaginable. No way they'd be Superstars jobbers or anything, but they wouldn't be looking all that hot until they were committed to staying, and if they're being dicked aorund they wouldn't be happy anyway. I'm not going to say Vince is scared, but he's definitely not comfortable with any of this. I wouldn't even say that about AJ because he was never aimless and of course he wasn't going to be given the WWE title out the gate like NJPW did for him. However, in saying that the 6 months is a test period for sure but it sounds better in theory than it does in execution
If i'm Vince i'm not giving you everything you want for those 6 months so you can leave me anyway and if i'm the wrestlers I understand I have an out but who's to say Vince doesn't try to cool me off after those 6 months
Ideally a year and a half would be better as you can experience the proper ups and downs plus go through a Mania and Summerslam cycle. After a year and a half you should be able to gauge better where you stand and what can possibly happen with you
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 11, 2019 14:27:16 GMT -5
Those contracts sound like attempts to bring the whole thing to a screeching halt. Not sure how effective it'd be, but there's no way anyone is getting a strong push in six months if there's a no-consequences out like that. It took longer than six months for AJ to really be treated like a top player and he had no such out in his contract. That honestly sounds like the most "Cool them all off" tactic imaginable. No way they'd be Superstars jobbers or anything, but they wouldn't be looking all that hot until they were committed to staying, and if they're being dicked aorund they wouldn't be happy anyway. I'm not going to say Vince is scared, but he's definitely not comfortable with any of this. I wouldn't even say that about AJ because he was never aimless and of course he wasn't going to be given the WWE title out the gate like NJPW did for him. However, in saying that the 6 months is a test period for sure but it sounds better in theory than it does in execution If i'm Vince i'm not giving you everything you want for those 6 months so you can leave me anyway and if i'm the wrestlers I understand I have an out but who's to say Vince doesn't try to cool me off after those 6 months Ideally a year and a half would be better as you can experience the proper ups and downs plus go through a Mania and Summerslam cycle. After a year and a half you should be able to gauge better where you stand and what can possibly happen with you
A midcard program with Jericho was a solid idea to introduce him, but he still lost his Mania match, and by AJ's own admission, he had to prove to Vince that he was worth pushing, because apparently they were just paying the man lots of money before Vince had decided he was worth being a top guy. That's the feeling-out period for a committed wrestler who signed, who got his friends signed, who came in with leverage, but who also had every reason to stick it out and declared his intent to stay with WWE because it was the best option for him. I shudder to think about the kind of feeling out period the Young Bucks would get as a six month trial run, knowing that even if you get put over super hard, it's still ultimately a fight against the force of entropy and Vince's lack of interest in tag team wrestling. I don't know, the offer to me just kind of sounds like a trap. A six month out clause feels like a sucker's game.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 11, 2019 14:33:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't even say that about AJ because he was never aimless and of course he wasn't going to be given the WWE title out the gate like NJPW did for him. However, in saying that the 6 months is a test period for sure but it sounds better in theory than it does in execution If i'm Vince i'm not giving you everything you want for those 6 months so you can leave me anyway and if i'm the wrestlers I understand I have an out but who's to say Vince doesn't try to cool me off after those 6 months Ideally a year and a half would be better as you can experience the proper ups and downs plus go through a Mania and Summerslam cycle. After a year and a half you should be able to gauge better where you stand and what can possibly happen with you
A midcard program with Jericho was a solid idea to introduce him, but he still lost his Mania match, and by AJ's own admission, he had to prove to Vince that he was worth pushing, because apparently they were just paying the man lots of money before Vince had decided he was worth being a top guy. That's the feeling-out period for a committed wrestler who signed, who got his friends signed, who came in with leverage, but who also had every reason to stick it out and declared his intent to stay with WWE because it was the best option for him. I shudder to think about the kind of feeling out period the Young Bucks would get as a six month trial run, knowing that even if you get put over super hard, it's still ultimately a fight against the force of entropy and Vince's lack of interest in tag team wrestling. I don't know, the offer to me just kind of sounds like a trap. A six month out clause feels like a sucker's game. it completely is a trap. A trap many can fall for. But I think Cody and Bucks see through it.If anything it must reaffirm then this is a good idea. And I'm sure Vince is betting on at least one taking the bait. He takes one and things can fall apart.But this is more than a business relation between then
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 14:47:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't even say that about AJ because he was never aimless and of course he wasn't going to be given the WWE title out the gate like NJPW did for him. However, in saying that the 6 months is a test period for sure but it sounds better in theory than it does in execution If i'm Vince i'm not giving you everything you want for those 6 months so you can leave me anyway and if i'm the wrestlers I understand I have an out but who's to say Vince doesn't try to cool me off after those 6 months Ideally a year and a half would be better as you can experience the proper ups and downs plus go through a Mania and Summerslam cycle. After a year and a half you should be able to gauge better where you stand and what can possibly happen with you
A midcard program with Jericho was a solid idea to introduce him, but he still lost his Mania match, and by AJ's own admission, he had to prove to Vince that he was worth pushing, because apparently they were just paying the man lots of money before Vince had decided he was worth being a top guy. That's the feeling-out period for a committed wrestler who signed, who got his friends signed, who came in with leverage, but who also had every reason to stick it out and declared his intent to stay with WWE because it was the best option for him. I shudder to think about the kind of feeling out period the Young Bucks would get as a six month trial run, knowing that even if you get put over super hard, it's still ultimately a fight against the force of entropy and Vince's lack of interest in tag team wrestling. I don't know, the offer to me just kind of sounds like a trap. A six month out clause feels like a sucker's game. Which with the AJ situation I see nothing wrong as even though i'm paying you a shit ton of money I still got to see with my own eyes how you conduct yourself which is fair game. He was never aimless in that initial period and as we saw once Summerslam season came around he was on and rolling in a feud with Cena
I don't like the six month clause because nothing is going to happen for either side. It's just not enough time to gauge interest from either side and in the end it's still advantage Bucks/Cody regardless. The worst you can be is stagnant in that time period and even if they give you the moon and stars in 6 months to convince you to stay who's to say that same push continues for the rest of the contract
As I said a year and a half if you are going to do an option is a better solution. You'd be able to get a proper idea of how Vince is going to act, whether he's listening to your ideas or not and whether it's worth sticking around. A clause is just a bad idea in general though because paranoia from both sides will always be prevalent as the time period hits its conclusion.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 11, 2019 15:01:54 GMT -5
Those contracts sound like attempts to bring the whole thing to a screeching halt. Not sure how effective it'd be, but there's no way anyone is getting a strong push in six months if there's a no-consequences out like that. It took longer than six months for AJ to really be treated like a top player and he had no such out in his contract. That honestly sounds like the most "Cool them all off" tactic imaginable. No way they'd be Superstars jobbers or anything, but they wouldn't be looking all that hot until they were committed to staying, and if they're being dicked aorund they wouldn't be happy anyway. I'm not going to say Vince is scared, but he's definitely not comfortable with any of this. I doubt the out was in the first 6 months, it was likely 1-1.5 years in they’d have a window to leave. Think of it like a LeBron James contract. He signs for 2 years, but has the option to leave after 1. If the out was in the first 6 months, they could still go start AEW. But a year or more down the road? TV landscape is constantly changing, wrestling is in flux right now, there’s a good chance the Khan’s are no longer interested in doing AEW anymore.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 11, 2019 15:49:37 GMT -5
Who knows when, if ever, WWE will offer deals like that again.
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Post by thetower52 on Jan 11, 2019 16:10:53 GMT -5
Who knows when, if ever, WWE will offer deals like that again. If put money on them never doing that again
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 11, 2019 16:50:03 GMT -5
Who knows when, if ever, WWE will offer deals like that again. If put money on them never doing that again Not often that WWE is put in the position to make an offer to prevent a new credible competing company from starting up. It probably won't ever happen again.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 11, 2019 17:08:02 GMT -5
Most likely I assume tho that opens the door to talks about how strong will WWE push you for this first 6 months if they think you are going to leave and if you have another out clause like around the 2 year mark Interesting negotiation almost in an actual sports contract kind of way how they do with MLB
Yeh I commented in earlier that Vince would be on his phone desperate to hire anyone involved. and Cody and Bucks are the mastermind and public figure behind, Vince is definitely no dummy when it comes to this and the fact of how he is treating this seriously shows that. Bet he regrets how Cody was treated now Vince: Please Stardust, I'll give you $1 million dollars to come back! Cody: I'm not doing the Stardust gimmick. Vince: $3 million! You can leave after 6 months if you want! Cody: I'll take $2 million if I don't have to be Stardust. Vince:......No.
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