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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jan 17, 2019 14:53:18 GMT -5
And in no way is this shitty. The wrestlers will be making way more money this way and they have the cards in their hands. They've got leverage. WWE is a business. This benefits the wrestlers more than ever so I love everything about it. It's an awful thing, because the wrestlers won't have the cards in their hands for long. If WWE is the only game in town again, they have zero leverage, because the only way to make money will be to get a WWE contract. Anyone else has fewer opportunities to earn money, wrestlers who are cut loose fade into obscurity, the ones on that bloated roster who don't get TV spots are left to rot, fans have fewer opportunities to watch wrestling that isn't WWE, the only people who really win are the WWE office and a few wrestlers in a safe position with the company. I'm honestly terrified as a wrestling fan now, because I got excited about wrestling again for the first time in years by the boom in indy wrestling (particularly in the UK) and I'm watching it all get torn to shreds because Vince McMahon doesn't want anyone else to be promoting.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 17, 2019 14:55:48 GMT -5
Regardless of whether a bloated roster makes sense, I'm sure guys are happy with WWE throwing more cash at-- (Per Luchablog):Damn.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 17, 2019 14:56:41 GMT -5
Why is it shitty? The wrestlers don’t HAVE to take the WWE’s giant offer. They can say no.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 14:59:27 GMT -5
And in no way is this shitty. The wrestlers will be making way more money this way and they have the cards in their hands. They've got leverage. WWE is a business. This benefits the wrestlers more than ever so I love everything about it. It's an awful thing, because the wrestlers won't have the cards in their hands for long. If WWE is the only game in town again, they have zero leverage, because the only way to make money will be to get a WWE contract. Anyone else has fewer opportunities to earn money, wrestlers who are cut loose fade into obscurity, the ones on that bloated roster who don't get TV spots are left to rot, fans have fewer opportunities to watch wrestling that isn't WWE, the only people who really win are the WWE office and a few wrestlers in a safe position with the company. I'm honestly terrified as a wrestling fan now, because I got excited about wrestling again for the first time in years by the boom in indy wrestling (particularly in the UK) and I'm watching it all get torn to shreds because Vince McMahon doesn't want anyone else to be promoting.
You gotta get back to me when the WWE is the only game in town again and when these other companies are eating crumbs. From where I'm sitting that's not exactly happening right now and it's more fear than anything. Maybe if it was happening right now I'd understand but nah, I'm not seeing that pov.
I can't make a comment on the UK's wrestling scene as I have no knowledge of it.
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Post by Rican on Jan 17, 2019 15:06:46 GMT -5
I just don't understand why the WWE should care, especially not to the extent of doubling offers. The main roster, both NXT's and 205 are literally overflowing with talent. They could let The Revival, Rusev, Sasha Banks, Andrade and Balor all walk tomorrow and not miss a single beat. CM Punk was 100 percent correct when he said he was just a spoke on the wheel. I'm rooting for AEW to be successful but even in the wildest dream best case scenario they aren't really going to be direct competition. A suitable alternative sure, I hope so, but you're going to throw hundreds of thousands of dollars at someone just so another company can't have them?
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jan 17, 2019 15:07:03 GMT -5
I'm with @kn on this, for now anyway. WWE finally has competition and the wrestlers are benefiting. It may finally light a fire under Vince's ass to make some of the changes that they desperately need.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 15:08:05 GMT -5
WWE going to WWE WCW
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 15:10:58 GMT -5
I'm with @kn on this, for now anyway. WWE finally has competition and the wrestlers are benefiting. It may finally light a fire under Vince's ass to make some of the changes that they desperately need. And after seeing the list of companies willing to work with the AEW it looks to be pretty good for everyone in the industry or at least better than it has been say a few years ago. Vince needs to change some things so this is a positive. I think this will force him to realize that maybe money isn't everything and they need to do more than have all the stars getting paid a massive amount. That rumor about Ziggler of all people turning down a producer role last week is huge because it's Ziggler, he'd be in a good position but at the same time he wasn't ok with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 15:14:48 GMT -5
Imagine if a few years back when Cody asked if he could stop being Stardust, WWE were like, "Oh, you're unhappy? Sure! You can go back to being Cody next week." What a tremendous butterfly effect. WWE has created the biggest gold rush wrestling has seen in awhile, causing them to start signing people to bigger deals than they would've otherwise... Because Vince really REALLY needed Cody to be a knock off of his brother.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 17, 2019 15:15:12 GMT -5
There's an immediate benefit for the wrestlers, but if WWE crashes the whole f***ing industry with this behavior then it's going to be one of those things that in historical hindsight are going to be a real problem. Less than ten people on the NXT UK roster are ever going to be on an episode of Raw. This is a horribly unsustainable behavior and for as much as right now it's good, I think only a massive windfall of success for non-WWE companies is going to save the industry from collapsing and a lot of people getting burned in the long run when this spending spree ends.
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 17, 2019 15:18:21 GMT -5
It’s good for the wrestlers financially but signing a bunch of talent, when you’re not already not using a bunch of talent, just so your unproven competition can’t have them... that’s not good for WWE which has had massive trouble using its roster. Great for a wrestler’s bank account but as a fan that’s not my first concern. As a fan of these wrestlers that's my first concern. I want them and their families to be fed to give me entertainment. You can disagree. I’m a fan of these wrestlers and I look at it in two ways. If Primo left for Lucha Underground, and maybe a cameo or two on GLOW, I’d be glad. I’d get to see him. He would make less money but as a fan, I’d actually get to see the person I support. You can draw this out. As a viewer, I wouldn’t want a top indie talent to be lured in by WWE’s money only to sit on the sidelines and end up where The Revival are now. WWE can’t sign everyone and make everyone happy. That’s probably not even their intent. They want to hoard. It’s perfectly reasonable not to support that. You’re looking at it from a ‘worker drives up their price and everyone is happy.’ perspective. I’m looking at it from a POV where WWE sign as much talent as possible to hurt their competition and without ever improving their booking. I think that’s the difference.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 17, 2019 15:20:01 GMT -5
Isn't this yet another stupid thing WCW did?
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Post by TGM on Jan 17, 2019 15:28:02 GMT -5
This AEW offer is written on the back of a cocktail napkin. And it still says guilty. And guilty is spelled wrong!
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Post by Fade on Jan 17, 2019 15:31:33 GMT -5
Good. f*** em. f*** WWE and take their money. Even if their talent is squandered they can get paid and wait it out.
Right now this is great. The mere advent of AEW helps dudes as high as AJ and low as The Revival with leverage.
Talent can do what they want right now. And they know the score with all the companies out right now including Vince’s fast food joint.
Now if in the future a lot of the alternatives go down and WWE succeeds in its global goals? Now that’s some scary dystopian shit.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jan 17, 2019 15:33:29 GMT -5
It's an awful thing, because the wrestlers won't have the cards in their hands for long. If WWE is the only game in town again, they have zero leverage, because the only way to make money will be to get a WWE contract. Anyone else has fewer opportunities to earn money, wrestlers who are cut loose fade into obscurity, the ones on that bloated roster who don't get TV spots are left to rot, fans have fewer opportunities to watch wrestling that isn't WWE, the only people who really win are the WWE office and a few wrestlers in a safe position with the company. I'm honestly terrified as a wrestling fan now, because I got excited about wrestling again for the first time in years by the boom in indy wrestling (particularly in the UK) and I'm watching it all get torn to shreds because Vince McMahon doesn't want anyone else to be promoting.
You gotta get back to me when the WWE is the only game in town again and when these other companies are eating crumbs. From where I'm sitting that's not exactly happening right now and it's more fear than anything. Maybe if it was happening right now I'd understand but nah, I'm not seeing that pov.
I can't make a comment on the UK's wrestling scene as I have no knowledge of it. Well, look at PWG who will struggle to book long term because their champions are immediately snapped up. Of all the champions since the belt was vacated in 2010 (twelve by my count), nine of them have WWE contracts. Evolve have a deal that allows WWE to scout their talent, presumably in an effort to stop WWE just steamrollering them; of their nine champions in their history, four are now with WWE. It might not have completely run then over yet, but PWG in particular have run into problems from their talent being snatched. And look at independent wrestlers like Donovan Dijak (or whatever his name is this week), who gained some momentum on the independent scene, got signed to a WWE contract, and immediately disappeared from view because so much talent has been stockpiled. The UK and European promotions share a lot of talent, so the WWE talent grab has caused problems for any promotion other than Progress, ICW and WXW, because none of them can book marquee talent now, almost all of which is under a WWE contract. Even Progress, ICW and WXW have limitations on when and how they can use wrestlers, and Progress have stopped running regular smaller shows outside of the major ones like they used to. Now with the Performance Center opening, British indys potentially struggle to create new stars because WWE can now sign promising trainees or prospective wrestlers can forgo the independent circuit altogether.
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Post by Doctor No on Jan 17, 2019 15:35:01 GMT -5
If true, good for the wrestlers getting more money.
Anybody thinking this means WWE will try harder or be any better creatively because of the “competition” from AEW you are dreaming. This is an act of a company that thinks stockpiling the talent is their way to stay at the top the mountain(if true).
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 17, 2019 15:35:44 GMT -5
Good. f*** em. f*** WWE and take their money. Even if their talent is squandered they can get paid and wait it out. Right now this is great. The mere advent of AEW helps dudes as high as AJ and low as The Revival with leverage. Talent can do what they want right now. And they know the score with all the companies out right now including Vince’s fast food joint. Now if in the future a lot of the alternatives go down and WWE succeeds in its global goals? Now that’s some scary dystopian shit. I think that’s where I’m at. Between not releasing anyone and wanting to sign everyone, I’m imagining that scary dystopian shit. I’m imagining a scenario where a wave of talent sign with WWE and sit on the sidelines. More money but the competition dies and WWE loses its incentive to try.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 17, 2019 15:35:44 GMT -5
Remember when WWE made fun of WCW for paying Lanny Pofo f***tons of money to do nothing
It's now 2019 and half of WWE's roster is like a whole ass squad of Lanny Pofos.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 15:36:20 GMT -5
As a fan of these wrestlers that's my first concern. I want them and their families to be fed to give me entertainment. You can disagree. I’m a fan of these wrestlers and I look at it in two ways. If Primo left for Lucha Underground, and maybe a cameo or two on GLOW, I’d be glad. I’d get to see him. He would make less money but as a fan, I’d actually get to see the person I support. You can draw this out. As a viewer, I wouldn’t want a top indie talent to be lured in by WWE’s money only to sit on the sidelines and end up where The Revival are now. WWE can’t sign everyone and make everyone happy. That’s probably not even their intent. They want to hoard. It’s perfectly reasonable not to support that. You’re looking at it from a ‘worker drives up their price and everyone is happy.’ I’m looking at it from a POV where WWE sign as much talent as possible to hurt their competition and without ever improving their booking. I think that’s the difference.
I'm not looking at it as a viewer, I'm looking at it from another pov as in the position of the wrestlers getting paid for what they do. They're individuals so if they sign the paper and get paid, if their families get fed then that's what matters the most in my mind. They don't have to be on my screen for me to be happy because at the end of the day they're getting money and they made that decision under their own power. I care more about how people are living and doing things under their own power compared to how I feel when I watch them. It goes back to the Reigns thing as I said in another thread. People were saying they'd rather not see him anymore but they wanted him healthy but me? I think as long as he's healthy and doing what he wants to do he can do it as much as possible because health aside someone following their dreams is important. Like I said, these wrestlers aren't being forced to sign and then they have to sit on the sidelines. They're making the decision to sign and then the WWE does what they want.
What I underlined is the biggest thing here. The WWE signing all the talent, there's this stigma that it's apparently their fault for doing it when the reality is no it's not, it's a business, that's what businesses do. Everybody wants the best things, the most customers, that's just how businesses work. You can choose to not support the WWE doing that but at the end of the day it's not their fault, it's the fault of those who willingly choose to sign knowing full well what they're getting into. If these wrestlers sign to the WWE for the money then I can't get mad at the WWE because they're following the blueprint of the majority when it comes to consumers whether it's wrestling related, entertainment related, videogame related, that's just how things go.
You're saying I'm looking at it from "a worker drives up their price and everyone is happy" standpoint but you're missing the key thing here, it's more than the money. The money's just what keeps families fed. In multiple posts in this very thread (even when the AEW news broke) I mentioned that Vince will have to change things related to how he does things. I've mentioned that the WWE will have to adapt and change and all of this isn't based just on money, it's based on more than that whether it's booking, writing, presentation, whatever, there's a lot of changes.
But at the end of the day until Vince and the WWE adapts as a whole the wrestlers getting paid the most in the industry is something that can be done quickly as we've seen. So yeah, get that out of the way and then the other stuff can follow.
So basically, yeah I want the wrestlers getting paid as much as possible across all situations given they're the talent. Vince is going to have to adapt with more than money because it's not just the money. You're making it seem as though I think it's all about the money when it comes to this when that in no way is something I've said.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 17, 2019 15:37:56 GMT -5
Remember when WWE made fun of WCW for paying Lanny Pofo f***tons of money to do nothing It's now 2019 and half of WWE's roster is like a whole ass squad of Lanny Pofos. I look forward to hearing poems by Raul Mendoza.
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