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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 17, 2019 15:39:28 GMT -5
I just don't understand why the WWE should care, especially not to the extent of doubling offers. The main roster, both NXT's and 205 are literally overflowing with talent. They could let The Revival, Rusev, Sasha Banks, Andrade and Balor all walk tomorrow and not miss a single beat. CM Punk was 100 percent correct when he said he was just a spoke on the wheel. I'm rooting for AEW to be successful but even in the wildest dream best case scenario they aren't really going to be direct competition. A suitable alternative sure, I hope so, but you're going to throw hundreds of thousands of dollars at someone just so another company can't have them? Because they want to be the only game in town. Stop. Period. End of sentence. They SHOULDN'T care, but they want wrestling, from the top down, to be WWE. So, when shit like AEW and ROH getting uppity again starts happening, they start shelling out change so that they can nip that shit in the bud, so they're back to having all the leverage over the wrestlers again, like they did after WCW died. Trust me, if they manage to squeeze out ROH and AEW, the wrestlers will be right back in the shitter again, because there'll be nowhere else to go.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 17, 2019 15:39:34 GMT -5
I like that more wrestlers are advising against going for the WWE. it shows they value respect,DIS BUSINESS and using their talents.
And honestly WWE did it to thenselves,now that they arent the only game in town,that actually means something.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 17, 2019 15:39:48 GMT -5
Remember when WWE made fun of WCW for paying Lanny Pofo f***tons of money to do nothing It's now 2019 and half of WWE's roster is like a whole ass squad of Lanny Pofos. I look forward to hearing poems by Raul Mendoza. Raul Mendoza's dad is gonna get a million dollar contract cause he had a dream about AEW one night
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 17, 2019 15:41:32 GMT -5
If Almas really did advise Rush and Dragon Lee against going to WWE, that's bananas. And I couldn't blame him one bit.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 17, 2019 15:41:47 GMT -5
Let's start a rumor that AEW wants Scott Steiner to come in and teach people how to cut promos and see what happens.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 17, 2019 15:43:26 GMT -5
So WWE is willing to outbid themselves and pay more for talent
I see nothing wrong
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Post by Fade on Jan 17, 2019 15:43:49 GMT -5
If true, good for the wrestlers getting more money. Anybody thinking this means WWE will try harder or be any better creatively because of the “competition” from AEW you are dreaming. This is an act of a company that thinks stockpiling the talent is their way to stay at the top the mountain(if true). Oh, if true, it’s absolutely telling where they’re at strategically. Think of the alternative and trimming talent and maybe allocating resources into the roster and product they do have.
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Post by Abdullah on Jan 17, 2019 15:44:40 GMT -5
I’m a fan of these wrestlers and I look at it in two ways. If Primo left for Lucha Underground, and maybe a cameo or two on GLOW, I’d be glad. I’d get to see him. He would make less money but as a fan, I’d actually get to see the person I support. You can draw this out. As a viewer, I wouldn’t want a top indie talent to be lured in by WWE’s money only to sit on the sidelines and end up where The Revival are now. WWE can’t sign everyone and make everyone happy. That’s probably not even their intent. They want to hoard. It’s perfectly reasonable not to support that. You’re looking at it from a ‘worker drives up their price and everyone is happy.’ I’m looking at it from a POV where WWE sign as much talent as possible to hurt their competition and without ever improving their booking. I think that’s the difference.
I'm not looking at it as a viewer, I'm looking at it from another pov as in the position of the wrestlers getting paid for what they do. They're individuals so if they sign the paper and get paid, if their families get fed then that's what matters the most in my mind. They don't have to be on my screen for me to be happy because at the end of the day they're getting money and they made that decision under their own power. I care more about how people are living and doing things under their own power compared to how I feel when I watch them. It goes back to the Reigns thing as I said in another thread. People were saying they'd rather not see him anymore but they wanted him healthy but me? I think as long as he's healthy and doing what he wants to do he can do it as much as possible because health aside someone following their dreams is important. Like I said, these wrestlers aren't being forced to sign and then they have to sit on the sidelines. They're making the decision to sign and then the WWE does what they want.
What I underlined is the biggest thing here. The WWE signing all the talent, there's this stigma that it's apparently their fault for doing it when the reality is no it's not, it's a business, that's what businesses do. Everybody wants the best things, the most customers, that's just how businesses work. You can choose to not support the WWE doing that but at the end of the day it's not their fault, it's the fault of those who willingly choose to sign knowing full well what they're getting into. If these wrestlers sign to the WWE for the money then I can't get mad at the WWE because they're following the blueprint of the majority when it comes to consumers whether it's wrestling related, entertainment related, videogame related, that's just how things go.
You're saying I'm looking at it from "a worker drives up their price and everyone is happy" standpoint but you're missing the key thing here, it's more than the money. The money's just what keeps families fed. In multiple posts in this very thread (even when the AEW news broke) I mentioned that Vince will have to change things related to how he does things. I've mentioned that the WWE will have to adapt and change and all of this isn't based just on money, it's based on more than that whether it's booking, writing, presentation, whatever, there's a lot of changes.
But at the end of the day until Vince and the WWE adapts as a whole the wrestlers getting paid the most in the industry is something that can be done quickly as we've seen. So yeah, get that out of the way and then the other stuff can follow.
So basically, yeah I want the wrestlers getting paid as much as possible across all situations given they're the talent. Vince is going to have to adapt with more than money because it's not just the money. You're making it seem as though I think it's all about the money when it comes to this when that in no way is something I've said.
I don’t see that. I don’t see AEW being this force that causes Vince to wake up. From what I’m seeing, WWE will do just enough to harm AEW’s rise. ...And then they stay the same. As I said, I picture some scary dystopian shit. It hasn’t happened yet though and neither of us know how it will play out. You explained your point very well, I guess I’m just reluctant to take an optimistic view.
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Post by Convoy on Jan 17, 2019 15:46:31 GMT -5
Not that I see the negative of Almas' statements if true, but can WWE even prove that or punish him for it? He's still featured weekly and just beat a legend on TV.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 17, 2019 15:47:33 GMT -5
I'm not looking at it as a viewer, I'm looking at it from another pov as in the position of the wrestlers getting paid for what they do. They're individuals so if they sign the paper and get paid, if their families get fed then that's what matters the most in my mind. They don't have to be on my screen for me to be happy because at the end of the day they're getting money and they made that decision under their own power. I care more about how people are living and doing things under their own power compared to how I feel when I watch them. It goes back to the Reigns thing as I said in another thread. People were saying they'd rather not see him anymore but they wanted him healthy but me? I think as long as he's healthy and doing what he wants to do he can do it as much as possible because health aside someone following their dreams is important. Like I said, these wrestlers aren't being forced to sign and then they have to sit on the sidelines. They're making the decision to sign and then the WWE does what they want.
What I underlined is the biggest thing here. The WWE signing all the talent, there's this stigma that it's apparently their fault for doing it when the reality is no it's not, it's a business, that's what businesses do. Everybody wants the best things, the most customers, that's just how businesses work. You can choose to not support the WWE doing that but at the end of the day it's not their fault, it's the fault of those who willingly choose to sign knowing full well what they're getting into. If these wrestlers sign to the WWE for the money then I can't get mad at the WWE because they're following the blueprint of the majority when it comes to consumers whether it's wrestling related, entertainment related, videogame related, that's just how things go.
You're saying I'm looking at it from "a worker drives up their price and everyone is happy" standpoint but you're missing the key thing here, it's more than the money. The money's just what keeps families fed. In multiple posts in this very thread (even when the AEW news broke) I mentioned that Vince will have to change things related to how he does things. I've mentioned that the WWE will have to adapt and change and all of this isn't based just on money, it's based on more than that whether it's booking, writing, presentation, whatever, there's a lot of changes.
But at the end of the day until Vince and the WWE adapts as a whole the wrestlers getting paid the most in the industry is something that can be done quickly as we've seen. So yeah, get that out of the way and then the other stuff can follow.
So basically, yeah I want the wrestlers getting paid as much as possible across all situations given they're the talent. Vince is going to have to adapt with more than money because it's not just the money. You're making it seem as though I think it's all about the money when it comes to this when that in no way is something I've said.
I don’t see that. I don’t see AEW being this force that causes Vince to wake up. From what I’m seeing, WWE will do just enough to harm AEW’s rise. ...And then they stay the same. As I said, I picture some scary dystopian shit. It hasn’t happened yet though and neither of us know how it will play out. You explained your point very well, I guess I’m just reluctant to take an optimistic view. Yep. They're gonna put in EXACTLY as much effort as it takes to smother AEW in the crib, then it's back to business as usual.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 17, 2019 15:47:57 GMT -5
Not that I see the negative of Almas' statements if true, but can WWE even prove that or punish him for it? He's still featured weekly and just beat a legend on TV. What was he doing before last week's tag match?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 15:49:01 GMT -5
Well, look at PWG who will struggle to book long term because their champions are immediately snapped up. Of all the champions since the belt was vacated in 2010 (twelve by my count), nine of them have WWE contracts. Evolve have a deal that allows WWE to scout their talent, presumably in an effort to stop WWE just steamrollering them; of their nine champions in their history, four are now with WWE. It might not have completely run then over yet, but PWG in particular have run into problems from their talent being snatched. And look at independent wrestlers like Donovan Dijak (or whatever his name is this week), who gained some momentum on the independent scene, got signed to a WWE contract, and immediately disappeared from view because so much talent has been stockpiled. The UK and European promotions share a lot of talent, so the WWE talent grab has caused problems for any promotion other than Progress, ICW and WXW, because none of them can book marquee talent now, almost all of which is under a WWE contract. Even Progress, ICW and WXW have limitations on when and how they can use wrestlers, and Progress have stopped running regular smaller shows outside of the major ones like they used to. Now with the Performance Center opening, British indys potentially struggle to create new stars because WWE can now sign promising trainees or prospective wrestlers can forgo the independent circuit altogether.
This just goes back to my initial comment about the wrestlers deciding to sign with the WWE. Sounds to me like these wrestlers would rather make more money in the WWE fully knowing what's going on and what might happen than stay there and keep building their company. That's just what happens with all forms of business. As for Evolve, I mean, that's on them because they just made it easier for WWE to grab talent.
I don’t see that. I don’t see AEW being this force that causes Vince to wake up. From what I’m seeing, WWE will do just enough to harm AEW’s rise. ...And then they stay the same. As I said, I picture some scary dystopian shit. It hasn’t happened yet though and neither of us know how it will play out. You explained your point very well, I guess I’m just reluctant to take an optimistic view. Yeah, I think it's really think it's you not thinking the WWE will change. I disagree with that though given they're already changing a little bit given the comment in the first post. We'll see what happens but yeah, they're already looking into things.
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Post by Fade on Jan 17, 2019 15:49:39 GMT -5
Not that I see the negative of Almas' statements if true, but can WWE even prove that or punish him for it? He's still featured weekly and just beat a legend on TV. Yeah. Therein lies the beauty: what the f*** are they gonna do? Theres viable alternatives now. This wasn’t the case 10 years ago.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 17, 2019 15:52:37 GMT -5
Happy for the wrestlers but it really does feel petty on WWE's part. Like use half your roster in a beneficial way before you start throwing massive deals at other people??
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Post by Convoy on Jan 17, 2019 15:53:03 GMT -5
Not that I see the negative of Almas' statements if true, but can WWE even prove that or punish him for it? He's still featured weekly and just beat a legend on TV. Yeah. Therein lies the beauty: what the f*** are they gonna do? Theres viable alternatives now. This wasn’t the case 10 years ago. Exactly. You don't like a talent? Too bad - you better shut up and pay them anyway, or they'll just go somewhere else as soon as possible. Especially with someone as talented as Almas.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jan 17, 2019 16:03:00 GMT -5
AEW just tried to sign me to a million dollar contract.
Beam me up, Huntty.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 17, 2019 16:04:38 GMT -5
Imagine if WWE had spent the past fifteen years putting out consistently good programming and managed to not bleed out millions of viewers, thereby not being so insecure that they see a little shred of cheese in someone's hand and stick a shotgun in their face to get it.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 17, 2019 16:06:52 GMT -5
Imagine if WWE had spent the past fifteen years putting out consistently good programming and managed to not bleed out millions of viewers, thereby not being so insecure that they see a little shred of cheese in someone's hand and stick a shotgun in their face to get it. But Vince needed to see what HE wanted. He beat Ted Turner dammit, there aren't any other billionaires besides that one!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 17, 2019 16:09:35 GMT -5
Imagine if WWE had spent the past fifteen years putting out consistently good programming and managed to not bleed out millions of viewers, thereby not being so insecure that they see a little shred of cheese in someone's hand and stick a shotgun in their face to get it. But Vince needed to see what HE wanted. He beat Ted Turner dammit, there aren't any other billionaires besides that one! The worst thing to happen to Vince McMahon was buying WCW because I swear it's like his whole perception of reality just broke in two. Like the man was never sane in the first place but it convinced him that he won because was the besterest and from there it's all been an utter goddamn misery.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 17, 2019 16:11:37 GMT -5
There's an immediate benefit for the wrestlers, but if WWE crashes the whole f***ing industry with this behavior then it's going to be one of those things that in historical hindsight are going to be a real problem. Less than ten people on the NXT UK roster are ever going to be on an episode of Raw. This is a horribly unsustainable behavior and for as much as right now it's good, I think only a massive windfall of success for non-WWE companies is going to save the industry from collapsing and a lot of people getting burned in the long run when this spending spree ends. I don't think WWE's going to go into THAT big of a free-fall. However, if it DOES, I don't think anybody called that Cody Rhodes would be the one to cause it.
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