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Post by corndog on Jun 10, 2019 12:37:48 GMT -5
I feel like Makabe's the most likely to get cut, though Yoshi-Hashi might to further the story of no one respecting him. Fale I feel like gets in just for some Bullet Club representation outside of White, plus he's just built differently than any of the other guys, so he'd add visual flair considering way more of the West'll likely be watching this G1 due to Moxley, and Taichi's been doing some good work lately. He's also probably a relatively easy night for a lot of the guys, so he'd fit in on that front like Yano does. Plus Fale always does well in the G1 outside of last year with the constant DQ's It would actually be interesting for Yoshi Hashi to beat ZSJ for the British HW title and then still get left out the G1. Makabe I think gets cut off if they do want to add Will which is a shame because I do think Makabe should be able to go out on a high note but he would be taking the L's It is a stacked deck this year I would rather see Yoshi-Hashi and Fale out over Makabe. With Fale you can use the point of him not taking the tournament seriously last year. Yoshi-Hashi, well he just isn't very good. I would also like to see Kojima get one more run in the tournament, since he hasn't officially retired from it and can still go.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 10, 2019 13:11:20 GMT -5
Here's something I don't think we've considered yet: Given New Japan's penchant this year for expanding the field in tournaments (32 man New Japan Cup, 20 Man Best of Super Juniors) Who's to say they won't do the same for the G1? They've got a lot of people who are making statements about being in the tourney but there doesn't look to be room for all of them in a 20 man field, unless NJPW decides to trim some of the fat.
If it seems like they're trying to turn the G1 this year into the most stacked one in history, adding a couple of spots could help in that goal, and given their history this year it wouldn't be a stretch.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2019 13:56:59 GMT -5
Plus Fale always does well in the G1 outside of last year with the constant DQ's It would actually be interesting for Yoshi Hashi to beat ZSJ for the British HW title and then still get left out the G1. Makabe I think gets cut off if they do want to add Will which is a shame because I do think Makabe should be able to go out on a high note but he would be taking the L's It is a stacked deck this year I would rather see Yoshi-Hashi and Fale out over Makabe. With Fale you can use the point of him not taking the tournament seriously last year. Yoshi-Hashi, well he just isn't very good. I would also like to see Kojima get one more run in the tournament, since he hasn't officially retired from it and can still go. I mean Fale could stand to take a year off from this though outside of last year this is usually where he shines too Like I said I think it fits better into the whole disrespect angle if Yoshi-Hashi actually beats ZSJ and is out the G1
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 10, 2019 18:46:19 GMT -5
Here's something I don't think we've considered yet: Given New Japan's penchant this year for expanding the field in tournaments (32 man New Japan Cup, 20 Man Best of Super Juniors) Who's to say they won't do the same for the G1? They've got a lot of people who are making statements about being in the tourney but there doesn't look to be room for all of them in a 20 man field, unless NJPW decides to trim some of the fat. If it seems like they're trying to turn the G1 this year into the most stacked one in history, adding a couple of spots could help in that goal, and given their history this year it wouldn't be a stretch. True, but even adding one more entry per block would be a big increase in the number of matches taking place, wouldn't it? I guess they could have some of the matches be quickies, but that's still putting a lot of increased stress and wear on the participants by upping their workload. I mean, could work, but it also could be a problem.
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Post by Convoy on Jun 10, 2019 20:56:16 GMT -5
Here's something I don't think we've considered yet: Given New Japan's penchant this year for expanding the field in tournaments (32 man New Japan Cup, 20 Man Best of Super Juniors) Who's to say they won't do the same for the G1? They've got a lot of people who are making statements about being in the tourney but there doesn't look to be room for all of them in a 20 man field, unless NJPW decides to trim some of the fat. If it seems like they're trying to turn the G1 this year into the most stacked one in history, adding a couple of spots could help in that goal, and given their history this year it wouldn't be a stretch. True, but even adding one more entry per block would be a big increase in the number of matches taking place, wouldn't it? I guess they could have some of the matches be quickies, but that's still putting a lot of increased stress and wear on the participants by upping their workload. I mean, could work, but it also could be a problem. I'm not a fan of having more than 20 competitors, simply for the fatigue of both the wrestlers and viewers. Also, it will lead to more "fat" in the tournament instead of eliminating under-performers... ...but Lance Archer was just confirmed as being a competitor: So I'm now leaning to at least 22 competitors per block this year.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 10, 2019 20:58:50 GMT -5
True, but even adding one more entry per block would be a big increase in the number of matches taking place, wouldn't it? I guess they could have some of the matches be quickies, but that's still putting a lot of increased stress and wear on the participants by upping their workload. I mean, could work, but it also could be a problem. I'm not a fan of having more than 20 competitors, simply for the fatigue of both the wrestlers and viewers. Also, it will lead to more "fat" in the tournament instead of eliminating under-performers... ...but Lance Archer was just confirmed as being a competitor: So I'm now leaning to at least 22 competitors per block this year. Who is f***ing with Lance Archer's Tramp Stamp?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2019 20:59:51 GMT -5
True, but even adding one more entry per block would be a big increase in the number of matches taking place, wouldn't it? I guess they could have some of the matches be quickies, but that's still putting a lot of increased stress and wear on the participants by upping their workload. I mean, could work, but it also could be a problem. I'm not a fan of having more than 20 competitors, simply for the fatigue of both the wrestlers and viewers. Also, it will lead to more "fat" in the tournament instead of eliminating under-performers... ...but Lance Archer was just confirmed as being a competitor: So I'm now leaning to at least 22 competitors per block this year. Archer was a popular pick after the NJC and how he performed He could be replacing Fale
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 10, 2019 21:36:26 GMT -5
Here's something I don't think we've considered yet: Given New Japan's penchant this year for expanding the field in tournaments (32 man New Japan Cup, 20 Man Best of Super Juniors) Who's to say they won't do the same for the G1? They've got a lot of people who are making statements about being in the tourney but there doesn't look to be room for all of them in a 20 man field, unless NJPW decides to trim some of the fat. If it seems like they're trying to turn the G1 this year into the most stacked one in history, adding a couple of spots could help in that goal, and given their history this year it wouldn't be a stretch. True, but even adding one more entry per block would be a big increase in the number of matches taking place, wouldn't it? I guess they could have some of the matches be quickies, but that's still putting a lot of increased stress and wear on the participants by upping their workload. I mean, could work, but it also could be a problem. Not as much as you might think: Each block always has the obligatory "Easy night" guy, where they have a match where they honestly don't have to do much, and the odd number in each block guarantees each contestant a night off. The only real change to the schedule that would have to happen would be that there needs to be 2 events with both blocks competing, and even that wouldn't be too big an issue.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 10, 2019 21:45:00 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of having more than 20 competitors, simply for the fatigue of both the wrestlers and viewers. Also, it will lead to more "fat" in the tournament instead of eliminating under-performers... ...but Lance Archer was just confirmed as being a competitor: So I'm now leaning to at least 22 competitors per block this year. Archer was a popular pick after the NJC and how he performed He could be replacing Fale It's wild to think of there possibly only being one Bullet Club guy in this year. Surely they'd have someone else, but I mean, I guess it's not like Jay White isn't likely going to be pushed as one of the top guys in contention, so maybe it'd be fine, plus they had Ishimori as looking pretty strong in the Super Juniors, plus Phantasmo and Eagles, obviously, so maybe one tournament being relatively Bullet Club heavy plus a former member in Marty means they can go light on this one.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 10, 2019 21:53:53 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of having more than 20 competitors, simply for the fatigue of both the wrestlers and viewers. Also, it will lead to more "fat" in the tournament instead of eliminating under-performers... ...but Lance Archer was just confirmed as being a competitor: So I'm now leaning to at least 22 competitors per block this year. Archer was a popular pick after the NJC and how he performed He could be replacing Fale Honestly, that so many previous G1 participants are going to be left out, and even that people lobbying to get in are going to be left out, it raises the profile and prestige of the event. Even as wrestling snobs bitch that NJPW is too accessible compared to AJPW, NOAH, and Dragon Gate, it's things like this that keep NJPW being seen as worthy in the public consciousness. With so many talents clamoring to be in the G1, even in kayfabe, it still reinforces the idea of NJPW as the place to be.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2019 21:53:58 GMT -5
Archer was a popular pick after the NJC and how he performed He could be replacing Fale It's wild to think of there possibly only being one Bullet Club guy in this year. Surely they'd have someone else, but I mean, I guess it's not like Jay White isn't likely going to be pushed as one of the top guys in contention, so maybe it'd be fine, plus they had Ishimori as looking pretty strong in the Super Juniors, plus Phantasmo and Eagles, obviously, so maybe one tournament being relatively Bullet Club heavy plus a former member in Marty means they can go light on this one. Yea, we are going see BC is basically a dwindled brand and not what they were. Even with Jay White leading them, he's never in BC merch or repping the brand On the flip side, Suzuki-Gun could potentially have 4 remembers in with Suzuki, Taichi, Archer and ZSJ
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2019 21:55:56 GMT -5
Archer was a popular pick after the NJC and how he performed He could be replacing Fale Honestly, that so many previous G1 participants are going to be left out, and even that people lobbying to get in are going to be left out, it raises the profile and prestige of the event. Even as wrestling snobs bitch that NJPW is too accessible compared to AJPW, NOAH, and Dragon Gate, it's things like this that keep NJPW being seen as worthy in the public consciousness. With so many talents clamoring to be in the G1, even in kayfabe, it still reinforces the idea of NJPW as the place to be. Oh yeah that was the next point I was going to make. I like that basically everyone is wanting to be apart of the G1 and clamoring for a spot It could makes W's and L's mean a lot more in the grand scheme of things and people realize the opportunity of main eventing the Dome is a once in a lifetime opportunity
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Post by Convoy on Jun 10, 2019 21:58:57 GMT -5
On the flip side, Suzuki-Gun could potentially have 4 members in with Suzuki, Taichi, Archer and ZSJ I was just about to mention this. We went from ZSJ and Suzuki always being kept apart to almost a guarantee we'll see a pair of Suzuki-gun bouts in the tournament.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2019 22:00:20 GMT -5
On the flip side, Suzuki-Gun could potentially have 4 members in with Suzuki, Taichi, Archer and ZSJ I was just about to mention this. We went from ZSJ and Suzuki always being kept apart to almost a guarantee we'll see a pair of Suzuki-gun bouts in the tournament. Yea, people have been waiting for the Suzuki/ZSJ match up because that would be the potential start of ZSJ taking over
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 10, 2019 22:06:26 GMT -5
Honestly, that so many previous G1 participants are going to be left out, and even that people lobbying to get in are going to be left out, it raises the profile and prestige of the event. Even as wrestling snobs bitch that NJPW is too accessible compared to AJPW, NOAH, and Dragon Gate, it's things like this that keep NJPW being seen as worthy in the public consciousness. With so many talents clamoring to be in the G1, even in kayfabe, it still reinforces the idea of NJPW as the place to be. Oh yeah that was the next point I was going to make. I like that basically everyone is wanting to be apart of the G1 and clamoring for a spot It could makes W's and L's mean a lot more in the grand scheme of things and people realize the opportunity of main eventing the Dome is a once in a lifetime opportunity We're at a point where if they wanted to, they could actually run G1 Qualifier matches. You've got at least 4 open spots with just about enough people asking for a spot (Shingo, Mox, Archer, Taichi, Ospreay, Jericho, KENTA make Seven, and YOSHI-HASHI looking to desperately hold onto his spot as an eighth...
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 10, 2019 22:13:32 GMT -5
It's wild to think of there possibly only being one Bullet Club guy in this year. Surely they'd have someone else, but I mean, I guess it's not like Jay White isn't likely going to be pushed as one of the top guys in contention, so maybe it'd be fine, plus they had Ishimori as looking pretty strong in the Super Juniors, plus Phantasmo and Eagles, obviously, so maybe one tournament being relatively Bullet Club heavy plus a former member in Marty means they can go light on this one. Yea, we are going see BC is basically a dwindled brand and not what they were. Even with Jay White leading them, he's never in BC merch or repping the brand On the flip side, Suzuki-Gun could potentially have 4 remembers in with Suzuki, Taichi, Archer and ZSJ I feel like Bullet Club really could use some new members if they are going to have any chance of revitalization, but I'm not sure who would work. Though, hell, there's always the chance that's why they might have only one guy from Bullet Club in, if a second one will join during the course of the tournament. Dunno how I'd feel about that, would depend on who it was.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2019 22:13:41 GMT -5
Oh yeah that was the next point I was going to make. I like that basically everyone is wanting to be apart of the G1 and clamoring for a spot It could makes W's and L's mean a lot more in the grand scheme of things and people realize the opportunity of main eventing the Dome is a once in a lifetime opportunity We're at a point where if they wanted to, they could actually run G1 Qualifier matches. You've got at least 4 open spots with just about enough people asking for a spot (Shingo, Mox, Archer, Taichi, Ospreay, Jericho, KENTA make Seven, and YOSHI-HASHI looking to desperately hold onto his spot as an eighth... I can see that being a thing in the future Champs get qualifying bids which would make Dominion an even bigger show and then the last tour you can settle the matches and then proceed to do the brackets
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2019 22:17:16 GMT -5
Yea, we are going see BC is basically a dwindled brand and not what they were. Even with Jay White leading them, he's never in BC merch or repping the brand On the flip side, Suzuki-Gun could potentially have 4 remembers in with Suzuki, Taichi, Archer and ZSJ I feel like Bullet Club really could use some new members if they are going to have any chance of revitalization, but I'm not sure who would work. Though, hell, there's always the chance that's why they might have only one guy from Bullet Club in, if a second one will join during the course of the tournament. Dunno how I'd feel about that, would depend on who it was. BC doesn't really have a direction. Jay White as the leader does the block party shit and all that but they don't really have one unifying purpose. With Gedo there, it should be more of him attaching himself to champs and making shit happen but what we got right now is the Tongans doing their own thing while Jay does his own thing and they don't even really interfere in his matches If you wanted to add a person, maybe Yoshi-Hashi if you wanted to change his persona. BC is tailored to a little more serious now. If they ever wanted to turn Ospreay, he could fit since they have Eagles too
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 10, 2019 22:18:45 GMT -5
Honestly, that so many previous G1 participants are going to be left out, and even that people lobbying to get in are going to be left out, it raises the profile and prestige of the event. Even as wrestling snobs bitch that NJPW is too accessible compared to AJPW, NOAH, and Dragon Gate, it's things like this that keep NJPW being seen as worthy in the public consciousness. With so many talents clamoring to be in the G1, even in kayfabe, it still reinforces the idea of NJPW as the place to be. Oh yeah that was the next point I was going to make. I like that basically everyone is wanting to be apart of the G1 and clamoring for a spot It could makes W's and L's mean a lot more in the grand scheme of things and people realize the opportunity of main eventing the Dome is a once in a lifetime opportunity One idea I saw people bandy about when the first US shows in Long Beach were announced a couple years ago was that they could use shows like that to serve as mini tournaments for guys on the bubble to earn a G1 spot. Like, given the way people look at YOSHI HASHI the past couple years, it'd help him if he went into even just a four person tournament and walked out the winner to earn his spot, something like that. As for the field this year, I guess 22 total is a possibility, but I'll keep my money on it being 20 total. I do think there's a chance Fale won't be in this year; I think it's looking more and more like he's beginning to transition to a backstage role, especially with his dojo and him seeming to act as a liaison for talent in Australia/New Zealand/Polynesia/Oceania...even in kayfabe it kind of suits him transitioning into his "Rogue General" role and away from the Underboss. Though if Fale is starting to wind things down, I just hope we can one day see Devitt return for a tour just for the visual of him entering on the big man's shoulders. One other notable thing: G1 26 came with the surprise entrants from NOAH, with Marufuji and Nakajima making the cut in separate blocks. G1 27 offered a slight surprise with Zach Sabre making it in so early in his NJPW run, but a huge shock with the official, non-Tiger Mask W'd return of Kota Ibushi. Last year you only had mild surprises like Hangman Page getting in, but in each case the surprises, from small to big, came only when they had the official lineups revealed during the Kizuna Road shows. This time around, they've used Dominion to already lay the groundwork for some potential surprises: Moxley, Shingo, KENTA, even Ospreay and Jericho making noise about it, and even now here's Archer making his intentions known. As mentioned above that serves to make the tournament seem more exclusive and thus more prestigious, but it makes me wonder if they're saving another surprise for when the final rosters are announced, to get that big pop at Korakuen, or if there's just too many names already angling for a spot for anyone to really come off as a shock.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 10, 2019 22:22:54 GMT -5
Oh yeah that was the next point I was going to make. I like that basically everyone is wanting to be apart of the G1 and clamoring for a spot It could makes W's and L's mean a lot more in the grand scheme of things and people realize the opportunity of main eventing the Dome is a once in a lifetime opportunity One idea I saw people bandy about when the first US shows in Long Beach were announced a couple years ago was that they could use shows like that to serve as mini tournaments for guys on the bubble to earn a G1 spot. Like, given the way people look at YOSHI HASHI the past couple years, it'd help him if he went into even just a four person tournament and walked out the winner to earn his spot, something like that. As for the field this year, I guess 22 total is a possibility, but I'll keep my money on it being 20 total. I do think there's a chance Fale won't be in this year; I think it's looking more and more like he's beginning to transition to a backstage role, especially with his dojo and him seeming to act as a liaison for talent in Australia/New Zealand/Polynesia/Oceania...even in kayfabe it kind of suits him transitioning into his "Rogue General" role and away from the Underboss. Though if Fale is starting to wind things down, I just hope we can one day see Devitt return for a tour just for the visual of him entering on the big man's shoulders. One other notable thing: G1 26 came with the surprise entrants from NOAH, with Marufuji and Nakajima making the cut in separate blocks. G1 27 offered a slight surprise with Zach Sabre making it in so early in his NJPW run, but a huge shock with the official, non-Tiger Mask W'd return of Kota Ibushi. Last year you only had mild surprises like Hangman Page getting in, but in each case the surprises, from small to big, came only when they had the official lineups revealed during the Kizuna Road shows. This time around, they've used Dominion to already lay the groundwork for some potential surprises: Moxley, Shingo, KENTA, even Ospreay and Jericho making noise about it, and even now here's Archer making his intentions known. As mentioned above that serves to make the tournament seem more exclusive and thus more prestigious, but it makes me wonder if they're saving another surprise for when the final rosters are announced, to get that big pop at Korakuen, or if there's just too many names already angling for a spot for anyone to really come off as a shock. I think moving forward, you can start doing little 4 man tournaments to decide last people in which could help guys on the bubble like Yoshi-Hashi at least look more credible even if they lose matches The only other big surprise I can think of is Omega but I don't see AEW letting him take that risk knowing they need him as a star attraction. Yes Moxley and Jericho are star attractions but Kenny is a major pillar and THE star of the brand. I think right now they laid the groundwork for the surprises in regards to having anticipation for who gets in and gets left out
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