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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 16, 2019 0:50:36 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t get saying that the media doesn’t care about the white supremacy problem. That’s been a hot button consistent topic in the news and in congress for the past 5 years.
(Black bisexual over here so don’t hurt me)
Read a story about 120 Christians being slaughtered in Nigeria. Its messed up. Its all messed up.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Mar 16, 2019 4:32:26 GMT -5
There needs to be some serious talk about how the internet is used to radicalise. People have posted notes on how you can set up a new Youtube account, watch nothing but the most innocuous of videos, and it'll start recommending you watch far-righters talk about 'the Jewish question'. However these algorithms are determined, it's pushing people into a world of bigotry and hatred, washed down with some post-ironic bull so they can avoid having to think about how messed up their thinking is. And when people with vast and naive subscriber bases start walking further down that road, being open with racism in a way that makes fascists think they have that kind of widespread support, they shouldn't be surprised when... People associate them with the fascists that they openly court. On a forum I visit some guy posted up an article explaining how far-right sites use words in a certain way so as not to look too extreme and also mix it with jokes and keep the the mood light so as not to turn people off their believes and ideas. It was so eye opening and really makes it easier to spot articles that seem tame but really have a more subliminal dark tone to it. It was a great article and showed how suggestive people can be preyed on slowely and over time how people are steered into these awful extreme right views. Websites and social media have to be more responsible for what they host and allow because there are 1000's of articles and opinion pieces out there that look tame and not so extreme on their own but really are just the first step for many people to be radicalised. We often talk in Europe after IS attacks about young muslims being radicalised by the internet but it's 100% the same for these white men on the far right aswell.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 16, 2019 4:54:59 GMT -5
A New Zealand senator had the nerve to call the terrorist a vigilante and then blamed the victims just for being Muslims. What a motherless piece of dogshit. I wish I could spit in his face.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Mar 16, 2019 5:00:52 GMT -5
A New Zealand senator had the nerve to call the terrorist a vigilante and then blamed the victims just for being Muslims. What a motherless piece of dogshit. I wish I could spit in his face. Was that not the Australian guy? Or has another politician come out of the woodwork? These politicians just legitimise this sort of bullshit to these guys.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 16, 2019 5:39:12 GMT -5
Regarding the Pewdiepie aspect of all this, if Pewds himself is genuinely, legitimately, honest to goodness against the actions of this terrorist, he best clean up the group of people who he associates with real quick like.
PDP’s involvement in this doesn’t merely stop at the stupid ass “subscribe to Pewdiepie” meme. He is friends with people well known for directly spreading hateful messages of bigotry and whose ideaologies help foster the conditions that embolden these nutcase asshats who decide, “I think I’m gonna go shoot a bunch of brown people today.”
On top of being friends with a lot of these hatemongers, he follows many of them on Twitter, he brings them onto his videos and podcasts, he signal boosts their own platforms. Whether he wants to admit it or not, he has helped normalize these ways of thinking.
If he is truly sorrowful for what has happened, he needs to actually act like he is the biggest channel on YouTube like he is, and realize that his actions and who he decides to give a platform to has actual god damn consequences, and as such needs to cut these racist and bigoted ass people out of his life, and if instead he decides not to do so, because they are too popular to do so and “make for good discourse”, then f*** Pewds. f*** him long, and f*** him hard.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Mar 16, 2019 5:51:56 GMT -5
49 people were just murdered because of someone's belief in white supremacy. Then you look back just in recent memory alone at Charlottesville, the Tree Of Life synagogue, the Charleston church, Oslo... How many lives have been stolen or destroyed because these people are frustrated that someday, not everyone will look and think exactly like them? Can we focus on that, rather than not being wanted to be called 'cracker'? Did you know "Muslim" isn't a race? It's a religion. There were whites killed in the attack. White Muslims. "These people" as you call them are everywhere. Every skin tone, every religion, every sex, every creed. I see people of all types dying and being beaten, raped, or killed over this garbage all the time all over the place. Will you stand up for everyone being oppressed or just for one group? This board is extremely nice as ALL talk on religion and politics is not allowed not just "Christians" or "Democrats." I fear more than anything, people jumping the gun, passing laws to protect just one group, and that group going on to be nearly like "gods" and considered unable to be criticized because of their skin color, religion, or what have you. I don't want it for whites, blacks, Asians, or anyone. I just want people to slow down, take a deep breath, and think before they speak or take action. Did you know that a good amount of racists see a person with dark skin that "looks" Middle Eastern and assume that they Muslim? That's the prevalent thought pattern and you can see it in the comments online. I see this happening every time, something like this comes up. The same people that will rush to condemn an entire religion. Are the same people who will get upset when someone challenges white supremacy.
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Post by brentreznor on Mar 16, 2019 5:54:12 GMT -5
If PewdiePie is in any way responsible for this event. Then The Beatles are responsible for the Sharon Tate murders, Marylin Manson is responsible for the Columbine murders, Ozzy is responsible for teens committing suicide, NWA are responsible for urban gang violence, Catcher and the Rye is responsible for John Lennon's murder and I could go on.
You can't help how sick people interpret media and use it to justify their twisted beliefs.
Am I a PewdiePie minion that will defend anything he does? No, I think he's some Swedish dork that play videogames all day and makes millions of dollars, he makes me want to throw my computer out the window. However, I don't think he's part of some alt-right conspiracy to start a race war.
Is there a deep web out there, full of white supremacist rhetoric? Yes, 100%. But there's this notion that a teenager is going to go on youtube, watch a few Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro videos, then an hour later, they've fallen down the rabbit hole of white supremacy. Sorry but this is Alex Jones levels of paranoia. This is the equivalent of worrying that kids are going to start doing heroin or get abducted by a child molester. The actual chances of a kid being converted by a white supremacist group on the internet are extremely minimal.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 16, 2019 6:07:54 GMT -5
A New Zealand senator had the nerve to call the terrorist a vigilante and then blamed the victims just for being Muslims. What a motherless piece of dogshit. I wish I could spit in his face. That c*** was Australian as New Zealand doesn't have senators.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 16, 2019 6:12:49 GMT -5
A New Zealand senator had the nerve to call the terrorist a vigilante and then blamed the victims just for being Muslims. What a motherless piece of dogshit. I wish I could spit in his face. That c*** was Australian as New Zealand doesn't have senators. Jesus Christ I just saw a compilation of what they said. Good lord...just...how? How do people get that vile?
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Post by Heartbreaker on Mar 16, 2019 6:14:34 GMT -5
A New Zealand senator had the nerve to call the terrorist a vigilante and then blamed the victims just for being Muslims. What a motherless piece of dogshit. I wish I could spit in his face. That c*** was Australian as New Zealand doesn't have senators. And from Queensland, a state notorious for racist, dickhead politicians.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 16, 2019 6:16:25 GMT -5
If PewdiePie is in any way responsible for this event. Then The Beatles are responsible for the Sharon Tate murders, Marylin Manson is responsible for the Columbine murders, Ozzy is responsible for teens committing suicide, NWA are responsible for urban gang violence, Catcher and the Rye is responsible for John Lennon's murder and I could go on. You can't help how sick people interpret media and use it to justify their twisted beliefs. Am I a PewdiePie minion that will defend anything he does? No, I think he's some Swedish dork that play videogames all day and makes millions of dollars, he makes me want to throw my computer out the window. However, I don't think he's part of some alt-right conspiracy to start a race war. Is there a deep web out there, full of white supremacist rhetoric? Yes, 100%. But there's this notion that a teenager is going to go on youtube, watch a few Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro videos, then an hour later, they've fallen down the rabbit hole of white supremacy. Sorry but this is Alex Jones levels of paranoia. This is the equivalent of worrying that kids are going to start doing heroin or get abducted by a child molester. The actual chances of a kid being converted by a white supremacist group on the internet are extremely minimal. The fear is not necessarily that everyone is going to end up like the monsters that committed these acts; the fear is often more that platforms like Facebook both serve as an echo chamber for extremist views, thus feeding into confirmation bias, and that the particular exposure to white supremacy online, made highly visible due to the algorithms easily exploited by these movements on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc., allow these points of view to become mainstreamed, thus making for a much shorter leap from "Well, we should hear what they have to say" to "I want to act on what they're saying", considering that what most of these people are saying is conspiratorial garbage about white people being "replaced" and other existential language. UNESCO did a study on it and found little direct evidence that "watching X leads directly to violent action Y", but at the same time said that more studies are needed due to how new an issue this is and that the above mentioned issues still can play a role in facilitating extremist violence. Basically, we get these grifters putting a pseudo-intellectual veneer on their bigotry (and then usually get them hawking some kind of bullshit dietary supplement because, let's face it, this stuff is mostly done for money), we get their foot soldiers parroting them on smaller YouTube channels or Twitter accounts, and then we get various media platforms and podcasts and whatnot bringing the bigots on to "have a conversation" with them, in the process helping to mainstream their ahistorical, poorly researched, intentionally misleading, grift-driven views. Once hate has been mainstreamed, a spike in the visibility of violence in its name is inevitable, and if the wider culture has been told to accept that hate as a mainstream "let's hear from all sides" position, then we're not as well equipped to shun it and reject it as we might otherwise have been.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Mar 16, 2019 6:23:24 GMT -5
The actual chances of a kid being converted by a white supremacist group on the internet are extremely minimal. I don't think they are. I think the Internet is a great place to recruit and convert. We have seen it with numerous believes that have spread wildly through internet forums, social media and the likes of Reddit. This guy credited the internet for his believes in his manifesto.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 16, 2019 6:23:56 GMT -5
That c*** was Australian as New Zealand doesn't have senators. And from Queensland, a state notorious for racist, dickhead politicians. It's the Florida of Australia
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 16, 2019 7:23:36 GMT -5
The 19 year old who showed me the video seemed more in awe at this guy's marksmanship and determination rather than disgust at his actions.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 16, 2019 8:18:36 GMT -5
If PewdiePie is in any way responsible for this event. Then The Beatles are responsible for the Sharon Tate murders, Marylin Manson is responsible for the Columbine murders, Ozzy is responsible for teens committing suicide, NWA are responsible for urban gang violence, Catcher and the Rye is responsible for John Lennon's murder and I could go on. You can't help how sick people interpret media and use it to justify their twisted beliefs. Am I a PewdiePie minion that will defend anything he does? No, I think he's some Swedish dork that play videogames all day and makes millions of dollars, he makes me want to throw my computer out the window. However, I don't think he's part of some alt-right conspiracy to start a race war. That's not what people are saying. The Beatles did not constantly get in trouble for making jokes about murdering people. The Beatles also didn't name drop or give easy access to people that talked about dehumanizing and calling all models monsters. The Beatles wrote a song about a slide a crazy person interpreted as a race war. PDP constantly makes racist remarks and tries to hide behind oh it's just a joke, bro. Then follows and gives shout outs to some of the most outspoken racists on the planet. Some of which have called for things like what happened in NZ. So is PDP a right wing conspirator trying to brainwash people? No probably not. Is he complicit in spreading this information especially to his mostly younger audience? f*** yes. He has also been at BEST perfectly happy letting racist scumbags think he is on their side as well to make money off of them. Is he complicit in what happened? Legally, no. Morally? That's hazier
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 16, 2019 10:48:57 GMT -5
Let's get away from this "my side has it worse, pity us" stuff and focus on the story at hand. Yes. I will be vague, but there's a slogan that's seen "as a protest to my protest," as one song puts it. What that slogan should mean in its purest form, and I believe there's still people who believe in this, is that we should be ready to help or sympathize with pretty much anyone, no matter who. Unless they're, like, totally irredeemable villains or something. Saying we should look out for "all" doesn't always mean it's meant to exclude looking out for some. And maybe we should, cause like I also said, ALL groups, beliefs, causes, etc. can go bad. Yes we shouldn't believe all of one kind are all terrorists, just like we shouldn't believe all of another type all commit sexual misconduct and mistreat children, or that all of another type kills cops, and etc. etc. When you think of it, this is what the monsters who did 9/11 wanted. To split us up in this manner and cause distrust and resentment. But why stop a good neverending argument somewhere? Oh and I have NO clue what PewDerPie or whatever is. Sounds like something out of My Little Pony.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 16, 2019 10:51:52 GMT -5
Regarding the Pewdiepie aspect of all this, if Pewds himself is genuinely, legitimately, honest to goodness against the actions of this terrorist, he best clean up the group of people who he associates with real quick like. PDP’s involvement in this doesn’t merely stop at the stupid ass “subscribe to Pewdiepie” meme. He is friends with people well known for directly spreading hateful messages of bigotry and whose ideaologies help foster the conditions that embolden these nutcase asshats who decide, “I think I’m gonna go shoot a bunch of brown people today.” On top of being friends with a lot of these hatemongers, he follows many of them on Twitter, he brings them onto his videos and podcasts, he signal boosts their own platforms. Whether he wants to admit it or not, he has helped normalize these ways of thinking. If he is truly sorrowful for what has happened, he needs to actually act like he is the biggest channel on YouTube like he is, and realize that his actions and who he decides to give a platform to has actual god damn consequences, and as such needs to cut these racist and bigoted ass people out of his life, and if instead he decides not to do so, because they are too popular to do so and “make for good discourse”, then f*** Pewds. f*** him long, and f*** him hard. Who are you referring to here? The only person that he’s associated with on the conservative side of the aisle is Ben Shapiro and that dude has openly condemned white supremacy time and time again. Genuine questiom because I don’t comb his videos for this kind of stuff
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 16, 2019 10:59:04 GMT -5
If PewdiePie is in any way responsible for this event. Then The Beatles are responsible for the Sharon Tate murders, Marylin Manson is responsible for the Columbine murders, Ozzy is responsible for teens committing suicide, NWA are responsible for urban gang violence, Catcher and the Rye is responsible for John Lennon's murder and I could go on. You can't help how sick people interpret media and use it to justify their twisted beliefs. Am I a PewdiePie minion that will defend anything he does? No, I think he's some Swedish dork that play videogames all day and makes millions of dollars, he makes me want to throw my computer out the window. However, I don't think he's part of some alt-right conspiracy to start a race war. That's not what people are saying. The Beatles did not constantly get in trouble for making jokes about murdering people. The Beatles also didn't name drop or give easy access to people that talked about dehumanizing and calling all models monsters. The Beatles wrote a song about a slide a crazy person interpreted as a race war. PDP constantly makes racist remarks and tries to hide behind oh it's just a joke, bro. Then follows and gives shout outs to some of the most outspoken racists on the planet. Some of which have called for things like what happened in NZ. So is PDP a right wing conspirator trying to brainwash people? No probably not. Is he complicit in spreading this information especially to his mostly younger audience? f*** yes. He has also been at BEST perfectly happy letting racist scumbags think he is on their side as well to make money off of them. Is he complicit in what happened? Legally, no. Morally? That's hazier Since I was the one who immediately brought his name into this on the thread - it's pretty much the above. He normalizes and empowers racist and white supremacist views, and he does it on purpose. He didn't have to pull the trigger to be involved, he's actively bolstering these toads to do what they do.
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Post by Hakumental on Mar 16, 2019 11:47:18 GMT -5
Seeing a lot of calls for "deplatforming" today, but honestly, I don't think deplatforming is viable in the long run. It just quarantines the worst/angriest/most hateful/etc. voices into ever-darker bubbles of the internet where their views are only going to be hardened (because they're only going to engage with people who already think the way they do). Deradicalization is a newer and more difficult process, but far more promising, IMO.
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