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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Apr 15, 2019 22:23:51 GMT -5
looks like Kurt Angle's moonsault that broke Bob Holly's wrist except that Natalya is about ten feet closer to the turnbuckle
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Post by BigAl on Apr 15, 2019 22:25:46 GMT -5
This is who Vince wants. He likes her gimmick, he likes her look, thats all that matters. I found it forced, and of course leave it to Vince to job out a Hart Family member in Montreal to his chosen golden girl, but this is 100% in line with Raw booking for 15 years now. Becky is the golden girl though. She beat Ronda and Charlotte in the main event of Wrestlemania and is now a duel champion taking on all comers and defeating them. Just because Vince’s main type was blonde once upon a time doesn’t mean that the man can’t change his mind, even if it seems unlikely to us. You forgetting she was not Vince's chosen golden girl ever. Remember initially they try to turn her heel and on the replay of the highlight of the pay-per-view they had the audacity to switch the boo and the cheers of Charlotte and Becky. I'm convinced that he still doesn't think highly of Becky but his hand was tied because the crowd was completely behind Becky 200%
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Post by Doctor No on Apr 15, 2019 22:26:13 GMT -5
This is who Vince wants. He likes her gimmick, he likes her look, thats all that matters. I found it forced, and of course leave it to Vince to job out a Hart Family member in Montreal to his chosen golden girl, but this is 100% in line with Raw booking for 15 years now. Becky is the golden girl though. She beat Ronda and Charlotte in the main event of Wrestlemania and is now a duel champion taking on all comers and defeating them. Just because Vince’s main type was blonde once upon a time doesn’t mean that the man can’t change his mind, even if it seems unlikely to us. Outliers achieving doesn’t mean a system or pattern has changed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 22:28:13 GMT -5
Let alone when Charlotte started to get pushed on the main roster she was already battle-hardened through NXT. She was already great in the ring. Lacey hasn't put on 1 dope match yet. Really? I’d say her matches were Kairi in NXT were pretty solid from what I remember of them Yeah she hasn't had 1 dope match yet. She might have had ok matches but to classify as a main roster feud with the biggest woman in the business right now? Nah that's too much for her.
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Post by Perd on Apr 15, 2019 22:29:45 GMT -5
I just don’t get putting her in such a high profile spot so quickly l. It almost can’t help but fail. WWE’s penchant for putting talent in no win situations is astounding.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 15, 2019 22:31:18 GMT -5
I just don’t get putting her in such a high profile spot so quickly l. It almost can’t help but fail. WWE’s penchant for putting talent in no win situations is astounding. WWE doesnt believe in gradual push or testing the waters with who is over.You have who you want to be a star be pushed right of the gate,everyone else is a jobber.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 22:32:52 GMT -5
Becky is the golden girl though. She beat Ronda and Charlotte in the main event of Wrestlemania and is now a duel champion taking on all comers and defeating them. Just because Vince’s main type was blonde once upon a time doesn’t mean that the man can’t change his mind, even if it seems unlikely to us. Outliers achieving doesn’t mean a system or pattern has changed. Going from a system that was dominanted by one specific type to giving it to a person on the big stage that the fans adore sounds like a change.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 22:35:09 GMT -5
Becky is the golden girl though. She beat Ronda and Charlotte in the main event of Wrestlemania and is now a duel champion taking on all comers and defeating them. Just because Vince’s main type was blonde once upon a time doesn’t mean that the man can’t change his mind, even if it seems unlikely to us. You forgetting she was not Vince's chosen golden girl ever. Remember initially they try to turn her heel and on the replay of the highlight of the pay-per-view they had the audacity to switch the boo and the cheers of Charlotte and Becky. I'm convinced that he still doesn't think highly of Becky but his hand was tied because the crowd was completely behind Becky 200% It’s been heavily reported that Vince has thought very highly of Becky since she took the ball and ran with it. That’s what he wanted. It was never about burying Becky or whatever. He may have given her the heel turn, but, he never made her lash out on the fans after that, did he? On top of that, he eventually turned her back and gave her two star making moments. Three if you count Evolution. I’m just not seeing this idea that Vince is /still/ holding Becky down after all this time due to “his type” or whatever the case may be.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 15, 2019 22:36:23 GMT -5
What am I missing about that moonsault? It looks like she hit it fine. She landed knees first on Natalya's stomach, and then almost kneed and stepped on Natty's face on the rebound up.
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Post by dbrussel on Apr 15, 2019 22:37:13 GMT -5
What am I missing about that moonsault? It looks like she hit it fine. I see zero problems with the moonsault or the match itself, honestly. It was a bit slow, yeah, but none of her botches were noticeable to me. LOL. Those knees to Natalya's gut.......
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 15, 2019 22:40:31 GMT -5
Let see if her character work will carry the feud.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 22:44:14 GMT -5
You forgetting she was not Vince's chosen golden girl ever. Remember initially they try to turn her heel and on the replay of the highlight of the pay-per-view they had the audacity to switch the boo and the cheers of Charlotte and Becky. I'm convinced that he still doesn't think highly of Becky but his hand was tied because the crowd was completely behind Becky 200% It’s been heavily reported that Vince has thought very highly of Becky since she took the ball and ran with it. That’s what he wanted. It was never about burying Becky or whatever. He may have given her the heel turn, but, he never made her lash out on the fans after that, did he? On top of that, he eventually turned her back and gave her two star making moments. Three if you count Evolution. I’m just not seeing this idea that Vince is /still/ holding Becky down after all this time due to “his type” or whatever the case may be. Yeah, Becky's a made woman now. Vince has been sold on her since she finished that segment with the broken nose and gave them one of the most iconic images ever. They wouldn't have had her clown John Cena if he wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 22:44:40 GMT -5
I don't at all think that they're not 100% on Becky. She's made in their eyes, she's set for life. The problem is that male or female, WWE has this mindset that someone is a big deal solely because they insist that they are, actual quality of their work or how much the crowd cares about them be damned. Be it Lacey or McIntyre or Lars or whatever, they just go, "This person's who we're shoving on you now!" and expect it to make for good television just because they say it is.
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Post by The Trashman on Apr 15, 2019 22:49:47 GMT -5
What am I missing about that moonsault? It looks like she hit it fine. That she drilled her knees into her and then on the bounce nearly kicked her in the face? She hit it as well as John Morrison/Impact/Mundo ever hits his finish with a lot less training.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 15, 2019 22:51:10 GMT -5
That she drilled her knees into her and then on the bounce nearly kicked her in the face? She hit it as well as John Morrison/Impact/Mundo ever hits his finish with a lot less training. Everyone hates the starship pain too.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 15, 2019 22:51:57 GMT -5
The obly thing I remember/ know about lacey is at the rumble where she botched almost everything she did,including a kip up
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Post by Shark on Apr 15, 2019 22:53:39 GMT -5
What am I missing about that moonsault? It looks like she hit it fine. She landed knees first on Natalya's stomach, and then almost kneed and stepped on Natty's face on the rebound up. The look of absolute agony on Natty's face should be a hint too.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 15, 2019 22:53:41 GMT -5
Outliers achieving doesn’t mean a system or pattern has changed. Going from a system that was dominanted by one specific type to giving it to a person on the big stage that the fans adore sounds like a change. But there have always been outliers. Vince was smitten with Elizabeth, the Bellas and AJ have had strong pushes over the past few years, that all doesn't change the concept that 'the look' means a certain thing and that Vince doesn't strongly favour tall blondes. Like you just ignored Doctor No's argument to say "No it's a change". But individual cases don't exist as counterpoints to broader patterns. Lacey Evans is being positioned in a big spot that work-wise she's not ready for, and she's also been featured in baffling ways the past few months solely to get her onto the show and make sure we know she's there. She's being treated as a big star. It's not because she has a sick moonsault, and as long as 'is blonde' can be a strong driving factor for success, yeah, that pattern is there.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 15, 2019 22:57:16 GMT -5
Going from a system that was dominanted by one specific type to giving it to a person on the big stage that the fans adore sounds like a change. But there have always been outliers. Vince was smitten with Elizabeth, the Bellas and AJ have had strong pushes over the past few years, that all doesn't change the concept that 'the look' means a certain thing and that Vince doesn't strongly favour tall blondes. Like you just ignored Doctor No's argument to say "No it's a change". But individual cases don't exist as counterpoints to broader patterns. Lacey Evans is being positioned in a big spot that work-wise she's not ready for, and she's also been featured in baffling ways the past few months solely to get her onto the show and make sure we know she's there. She's being treated as a big star. It's not because she has a sick moonsault, and as long as 'is blonde' can be a strong driving factor for success, yeah, that pattern is there. Eventually some good woman gets a push. But the bellas and AJ didnt get pushed out of the gate. Compare to Charlotte ,Alexa Bliss ,Lacey,Kelly Kelly ,etc that day one main rosters got the big pushs. Vince loves the american blondes,its probably how he sees the ideal "American" woman.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Apr 15, 2019 23:00:36 GMT -5
I've seen this schtick before.... ...and former soap opera star Debbie Eagan is WAY more believable in the role (and a better worker.)
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