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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 13, 2019 23:16:30 GMT -5
well we made it to page 100
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Post by eJm on Jul 13, 2019 23:16:37 GMT -5
This was the weakest show overall but I wasn’t ever bored watching it. It left enough story threads for All Out and beyond and also showcased some of the stronger aspects of AEW’s product to stand out (commentary, diverse roster, strong understanding of product).
I said it before, though, They really, really need a proper director in the front chair. The snafus weren’t as bad as before but the cutting of the main screen for the crowd and the subtitles during the Buy In simply should not have happened. Get a good hand, let the Bucks and Cody focus on other things.
But you know what, screw all of that, KONG VS. KONG! I NEED THAT IN MY VEIGNS!!!
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 13, 2019 23:16:43 GMT -5
But why? There was no need for it. I didn’t mind the speech, but the shade is incredibly childish. Line JR said this past week, just stay in y’alls lane. They can throw shade in interviews, but don’t do it on PPV or TV; Same applies to WWE, and the one time they did, it was literally just mentioning their name. No jabs, no shade, nothing. "The one time they did" is outright not true, HHH took a couple outright shots in the DX HOF induction. Right, like, I can buy that maybe Triple H was playing up the DX 'tude there, but it was a definitely a shot all the same. I'm guessing things are likely going to heat up before they cool down, in any case.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 13, 2019 23:17:07 GMT -5
Maybe WWE shouldn't be taking the cheap shots either? Like to the point they said "AEW" on their programming? Putting on a show the same night as a charity event for gun violence just to "Stick it to em"? Vince deserves all the jabs he gets. Sami Zayn saying the letters AEW was hardly a jab at anything. And according to the dude who’s in charge of evolve, that event was planned a year or so in advance. Way before this one. On top of that, people can easily just watch watch both with streaming being on the come up. The EVOLVE show date was literally announced two weeks before Fight for the Fallen was to air. If it was planned for a year, then they could have easily announced it months in advance and AEW could have planned their show on a different date. WWE didn't. You can try and smoke and mirrors this all you want, but it ain't happening, WWE are just assholes, and if they get a jab or two thrown their way after they've thrown and done multiple jabs themselves already, they deserve it, you don't have to like it, but they've earned it.
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Post by Display Name on Jul 13, 2019 23:19:56 GMT -5
I was at a restaurant where I saw 2 and a half matches on their television..Still not living up the the hype, at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 23:20:28 GMT -5
But why? There was no need for It. Do I think they should do it every week? Absolutely not. But like Mozenrath said, they intentionally broadcasted another show to compete against them. This isn’t even like “Oh, we referenced you, look at us”, this was something they did to hurt them. This is HHH calling them a “pissant company” on a scale that affects money. Take your shot and move on, I’ll say. Edit: Also I get we have these guys on a much bigger magnifying glass for a variety of reasons but man, if you watch back on anything TNA did even from their first PPV...Cody’s one line is tame as hell. Yeah, folks need to recognize that WWE going full on in promoting the Evolve show was to directly affect FFTF. The show might've been booked for a long time, but WWE streaming it on the network? I'm not so sure. WWE is a deeply petty company. They will try any tactic to snuff out competition. It's why NXT UK exists. It's why they're trying to lock everybody up into five year contracts or extend the contracts of people they'll never use. So they can handle a jab, cause their whole business model has been about landing haymakers.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2019 23:22:17 GMT -5
We had to pretty much rush out of my friend's place the second the last match ended because our ride needed to be up in the morning for work. What was the shot they took at WWE and how disproportionately tame will it end up being for how much people will jump up and down pointing at it?
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Post by Dub H on Jul 13, 2019 23:22:52 GMT -5
I think one dilemma AEW has is booking predictability. Since the Dark Order have been attacking the Best Friends it stands to reason they have to win a match where the winner gets Best Friends at the next PPV. The problem is that we have to watch the Dark Order. They gotta just job them there and cut bait though....right? Taking away the preshow from Fyter Fest I probably liked it better since it had more energy and wasn't as insanely long. Look at some of these match times. Who on earth booked Brandi Rhodes to go 11 minutes? They could have done the Kong run in stuff and Brandi cheats to win in 4 minutes. Same thing especially with the now notorious Page match...dear God what was THAT? Hey let's have our #1 contender go 50/50 with some random dude for 19 minutes. I think they were playing with the notion of a time limit since they did the draw last time, but that was 100% not the time for it. Just put Page over with his move in like 6 minutes and move on. No one cares about Sabian right now and this isn't the time to make them care. Look, they need to quit dicking around and just put the title on Omega out of the gate, or if that's not possible the first TNT show. He's leagues above the rest of this group. For anyone who has followed NJPW or ROH it's so laughably absurd that someone that was basically his JTTS lackey in the Bullet Club is main eventing All Out over him without any particular noteworthy accomplishments to justify it. Page isn't Roman Reigns. He's Tetsuya Naito circa 2013 when Naito just had no heat and was rejected by the crowd. Yeh,Kenny was the obvious choice and if they did to avoid "nepotism"... Adam Page comes off as a much worse case of nepotism.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 13, 2019 23:23:24 GMT -5
We had to pretty much rush out of my friend's place the second the last match ended because our ride needed to be up in the morning for work. What was the shot they took at WWE and how disproportionately tame will it end up being for how much people will jump up and down pointing at it? pretty tame, Cody said "you can't counter program AEW"
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2019 23:25:26 GMT -5
We had to pretty much rush out of my friend's place the second the last match ended because our ride needed to be up in the morning for work. What was the shot they took at WWE and how disproportionately tame will it end up being for how much people will jump up and down pointing at it? pretty tame, Cody said "you can't counter program AEW"
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Post by Dub H on Jul 13, 2019 23:26:35 GMT -5
pretty tame, Cody said "you can't counter program AEW" Maybe I missed something else since I doozed off a little. So if there is,my bad.
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Post by eJm on Jul 13, 2019 23:27:27 GMT -5
Do I think they should do it every week? Absolutely not. But like Mozenrath said, they intentionally broadcasted another show to compete against them. This isn’t even like “Oh, we referenced you, look at us”, this was something they did to hurt them. This is HHH calling them a “pissant company” on a scale that affects money. Take your shot and move on, I’ll say. Edit: Also I get we have these guys on a much bigger magnifying glass for a variety of reasons but man, if you watch back on anything TNA did even from their first PPV...Cody’s one line is tame as hell. Yeah, folks need to recognize that WWE going full on in promoting the Evolve show was to directly affect FFTF. The show might've been booked for a long time, but WWE streaming it on the network? I'm not so sure. WWE is a deeply petty company. They will try any tactic to snuff out competition. It's why NXT UK exists. It's why they're trying to lock everybody up into five year contracts or extend the contracts of people they'll never use. So they can handle a jab, cause their whole business model has been about landing haymakers. I don’t even think it’s pettiness. Like you have to remember, NXT UK happened because of a small hint of a threat from ITV for World of Sport. That was their first genuine threat of anything since, what, 2001? They didn’t counter programme at all for when Impact moved to Mondays, they didn’t stop the rise of places like ROH or CZW or even EVOLVE. Mostly because they were producing their own talent and grabbing an occasional indie Star here and there that suited. When the indies started to rise, it was more a routine of taking that talent or seeing how some did in TNA before getting them on a legends deal. And nobody could have predicted NJPW going through the mammoth rebuild process it did or even the rise of European indies. In their minds, even if they don’t have much to back it up, they feel threatened and they’re going back to “Territories/Early WCW” mode and trying to stop themselves from having competition again. And it feels crazier because, for all the good shows they’ve done, we don’t know what the plan long term is. They could be WCW 2019 Edition for all we know.
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Post by eJm on Jul 13, 2019 23:28:24 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something else since I doozed off a little. So if there is,my bad. Na, that was pretty much it. Unless you count “Will you join us on TNT?” as a shot.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 13, 2019 23:29:57 GMT -5
Yeah, folks need to recognize that WWE going full on in promoting the Evolve show was to directly affect FFTF. The show might've been booked for a long time, but WWE streaming it on the network? I'm not so sure. WWE is a deeply petty company. They will try any tactic to snuff out competition. It's why NXT UK exists. It's why they're trying to lock everybody up into five year contracts or extend the contracts of people they'll never use. So they can handle a jab, cause their whole business model has been about landing haymakers. I don’t even think it’s pettiness. Like you have to remember, NXT UK happened because of a small hint of a threat from ITV for World of Sport. That was their first genuine threat of anything since, what, 2001? They didn’t counter programme at all for when Impact moved to Mondays, they didn’t stop the rise of places like ROH or CZW or even EVOLVE. Mostly because they were producing their own talent and grabbing an occasional indie Star here and there that suited. When the indies started to rise, it was more a routine of taking that talent or seeing how some did in TNA before getting them on a legends deal. And nobody could have predicted NJPW going through the mammoth rebuild process it did or even the rise of European indies. In their minds, even if they don’t have much to back it up, they feel threatened and they’re going back to “Territories/Early WCW” mode and trying to stop themselves from having competition again. And it feels crazier because, for all the good shows they’ve done, we don’t know what the plan long term is. They could be WCW 2019 Edition for all we know. But the worst part is that it didn't affect Money directly. Everything was going towards charity
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 13, 2019 23:30:29 GMT -5
Man I don't want to be all "ha ha e-drones" to anyone because that's garbage, but when you flip the table over stuff like that you're really just courting condescension at that point.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 13, 2019 23:30:49 GMT -5
Third straight show I had fun watching but i do think booking decisions kind made things stick out that weren't great.
As mentioned in other places they really have dropped the ball in building up Hangman to be a serious threat against Jericho... what makes it worse is that you do have wrestlers on the roster that could get the fans behind Hangman and build him momentum with guys.. especially a guy in MJF. Hell... I think after tonight Page looks way down the pecking order even with a guy like CIMA.
Gotta cut back on the triple threat tag matches. I get why they want to give more guys matches on the shows but it causes some guys to stand out less when you want them to be the story.
I kind of get the feeling that the last two shows werent originally meant to be part of building angles like DoN was, but things changed. Nothing unfixable
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Post by deadzeppelin on Jul 13, 2019 23:31:07 GMT -5
This show really needed to be a home run imo and it really wasn't. This was the last show before ALL Out and a pretty bad promo at that. This company has A LOT going for it, but I think we all (Myself included) need to lower our expectations a little. This is a brand new company and they do have some kinks to iron out, that won't be immediate. Thankfully I know the guys in charge aren't stupid and I'm sure they'll figure it all out. I'm also certain a lot of things will work a lot better on a television product moreso than PPV's. Off the top of my head my personal Pros Cons on this show and with AEW so far
Pros: AEW has one of the most diverse Tag Divisions I've ever seen. Each Team is so different and they all seem to have characters that I mostly understand the moment I see them. Omega vs Cima RULED, Triple Tag was real fun and so was SCU/Lucha Bros MJF and Darby Allin are going to be massive, massive stars.
In the Middle: I love that the Librarian Gimmick are now heels and I do think these characters will work far better on Television, but they should keep them off the Pre Shows.
Cons: That Pre Show was a f***ing disaster. Closed captions were on for far too long before it was fixed. That Womens Tag match, I don't know what happened but it SUCKED. If I was a new customer I'd see that pre show and turn it off. The Pre Show should be two or so HOT matches with the lowercard talent and some backstage promos. Page vs Sabian shouldn't have happened. Page should have beat the piss out of Peter Avalon for 3 minutes and pin him.
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Post by eJm on Jul 13, 2019 23:32:33 GMT -5
I don’t even think it’s pettiness. Like you have to remember, NXT UK happened because of a small hint of a threat from ITV for World of Sport. That was their first genuine threat of anything since, what, 2001? They didn’t counter programme at all for when Impact moved to Mondays, they didn’t stop the rise of places like ROH or CZW or even EVOLVE. Mostly because they were producing their own talent and grabbing an occasional indie Star here and there that suited. When the indies started to rise, it was more a routine of taking that talent or seeing how some did in TNA before getting them on a legends deal. And nobody could have predicted NJPW going through the mammoth rebuild process it did or even the rise of European indies. In their minds, even if they don’t have much to back it up, they feel threatened and they’re going back to “Territories/Early WCW” mode and trying to stop themselves from having competition again. And it feels crazier because, for all the good shows they’ve done, we don’t know what the plan long term is. They could be WCW 2019 Edition for all we know. But the worst part is that it didn't affect Money directly. Everything was going towards charity That’s the f***ing crazy thing about it. I’m not saying WWE’s the best at PR (Saudi F***ing Arabia) but 95% of the time, they know better then to put their foot in it. But honestly, if the show was moved a week, we wouldn’t be talking about any of this at all and WWE might have had the time to promote the EVOLVE show more instead of talking heads and YouTube clips.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 13, 2019 23:32:51 GMT -5
Third straight show I had fun watching but i do think booking decisions kind made things stick out that weren't great. As mentioned in other places they really have dropped the ball in building up Hangman to be a serious threat against Jericho... what makes it worse is that you do have wrestlers on the roster that could get the fans behind Hangman and build him momentum with guys.. especially a guy in MJF. Hell... I think after tonight Page looks way down the pecking order even with a guy like CIMA. Gotta cut back on the triple threat tag matches. I get why they want to give more guys matches on the shows but it causes some guys to stand out less when you want them to be the story. I kind of get the feeling that the last two shows werent originally meant to be part of building angles like DoN was, but things changed. Nothing unfixable no kidding. Everyone in the 3v3 match felt like they were bigger in the pecking order than Page. Hell Janela went toe to toe with Mox,that already gives him a bigg clout.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 13, 2019 23:36:21 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something else since I doozed off a little. So if there is,my bad. No that was it. It wasn't a big one and wasn't lame like the thronebreaker thing. I'm legit confused over the reaction.
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