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Post by eJm on Jul 13, 2019 23:40:58 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something else since I doozed off a little. So if there is,my bad. No that was it. It wasn't a big one and wasn't lame like the thronebreaker thing. I'm legit confused over the reaction. So here’s my theory; We’ve been used to TNA taking shot after shot and doing dumb things for so long, WAY dumber shots, that people take any shot at the competition as a sign they’re following that route. And honestly, I get it. We don’t need another TNA. It became so bad, TNA isn’t even TNA anymore and hasn’t been for well over a year now. But if you’re telling me “You don’t counter program what we do” is anywhere near Kip and BG James challenging “Michael Hickenbottom” or “Paul Leveque” to a Fight in the Alamo or them giving cookies to WWE people who happen to be nearby...you’re crazy.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 14, 2019 0:03:40 GMT -5
Now I do want to say this, I think AEW has done a great job of really building up anticipation for the Women's Division and for the upcoming tag tournament. I also think they have done a good job of getting intrigue on guys like Havoc, Janela, MJF, Allin, and even Spears. I think the only thing that the only thing ARE has really failed with right now is building up Adam Page.
Either way All Out I think the All Out Card is almost officially this right now...
Adam Page vs Cheis Jericho Kenny Omega vs Jon Moxley Dark Order vs Best Frienda Young Bucks vs Lucha Bros in a ladder match Cody vs Shawn Spears
With very likely matches being Britt Baker vs Bea Priestly Allie and Aja Kong vs Brandi and Awesome Kong
Based on the story from the 6 man you'll likely see some sort of match where Janela, Havoc, and Darby fight each other
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 14, 2019 1:17:02 GMT -5
No that was it. It wasn't a big one and wasn't lame like the thronebreaker thing. I'm legit confused over the reaction. So here’s my theory; We’ve been used to TNA taking shot after shot and doing dumb things for so long, WAY dumber shots, that people take any shot at the competition as a sign they’re following that route. And honestly, I get it. We don’t need another TNA. It became so bad, TNA isn’t even TNA anymore and hasn’t been for well over a year now. But if you’re telling me “You don’t counter program what we do” is anywhere near Kip and BG James challenging “Michael Hickenbottom” or “Paul Leveque” to a Fight in the Alamo or them giving cookies to WWE people who happen to be nearby...you’re crazy. That's where I'm at, more or less. I was wary of them using their new platform to take shots, but most of them have been completely softball off-hand type things. At worst, the thing with Cody smashing the throne with a sledgehammer at Double Or Nothing was cringe-y, but that's about it.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Jul 14, 2019 2:03:13 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something else since I doozed off a little. So if there is,my bad. No that was it. It wasn't a big one and wasn't lame like the thronebreaker thing. I'm legit confused over the reaction. It's especially silly in this instance considering WWE made the first move. Again.
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Post by eJm on Jul 14, 2019 8:34:49 GMT -5
Seems like from reports Britt Baker suffered a concussion during the Buy In tag match.
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Post by 111111 on Jul 14, 2019 8:50:19 GMT -5
The 6 man tag match was my favorite, did a great job of building towards Cody V Spears and continuing the story without Cody even being involved.
I also liked the 3 team match even if the dark order weren't that impressive (I've heard hype about the smash bros for years and felt a bit underwhelmed by them, seems like the sort of thing that would work great in chikara but not on a big stage like this), a boy and his dinosaur worked really well as they were, not really sure why they needed to add Marko Stunt to the act.
I felt a bit let down by the main event, I had high expectations after Dustin V Cody and the build to it but it just felt like too much was happening in it and it went on way too long for a match that intense, I think the Young Bucks are like Kenny Omega is to me, I appreciate and respect their talent and that loads of people are in to their styles of wrestling but it isn't my thing at all.
Also really liked that opening match, Peter Avalons promo was good too and he has genuine heat (some may try and claim its "go away" heat but as far as im concerned if the fans are loudly booing someone then that's a heel doing their job well)
Fuming about the subtitle issue, it absolutely ruined the womens tag match as it was covering half the action and that Adam Page match was boring, he's decent enough but needs a lot of work on his character he's bland as hell.
What I'll say positively about the overall show is it felt nowhere near 4 and a half hours, I have a short attention span and struggle to sit in one place watching a 40 minute episode of a tv show sometimes yet this show for the most part flew by.
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Post by chrom on Jul 14, 2019 9:27:43 GMT -5
Seems like from reports Britt Baker suffered a concussion during the Buy In tag match. Looked like it
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Post by eJm on Jul 14, 2019 9:29:48 GMT -5
Seems like from reports Britt Baker suffered a concussion during the Buy In tag match. Looked like it Honestly, the fact they let that match continue was a negative of the show. It affected her, it affected the match overall and even though it came more together near the end, it shouldn’t have gotten that far in the first place. They do need to get that policy sorted out and give her enough time to rest.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 14, 2019 11:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by Dang! on Jul 14, 2019 12:26:13 GMT -5
19 minutes, holy shit. Genuine worst match of the year candidate. That was horrific. Undertaker/Goldberg was this year wasn't it? How would this match qualify?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 14, 2019 12:35:01 GMT -5
19 minutes, holy shit. Genuine worst match of the year candidate. That was horrific. Undertaker/Goldberg was this year wasn't it? How would this match qualify? Undertaker and Goldberg were both way over the hill. Page and Sabian don't have that excuse.
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Post by eJm on Jul 14, 2019 12:39:32 GMT -5
Ok, Page/Sabian wasn’t my favorite match ever...
But one of the worst of the year? No disrespect intended but are people f***ing serious?
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Post by Dub H on Jul 14, 2019 12:43:28 GMT -5
Ok, Page/Sabian wasn’t my favorite match ever... But one of the worst of the year? No disrespect intended but are people f***ing serious? The match was executed finely at least, it just had no reason at all for anything.
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Post by eJm on Jul 14, 2019 12:45:40 GMT -5
Ok, Page/Sabian wasn’t my favorite match ever... But one of the worst of the year? No disrespect intended but are people f***ing serious? The match was executed finely at least, it just had no reason at all for anything. Which I can agree with. You could argue they wanted a Cody/Allin moment but there were big parts that didn’t make it work. But one of the worst of the year? That’s utter nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 13:09:33 GMT -5
I'd way rather rewatch Goldberg / Taker than Page / Sabian. Former's more of a disaster certainly but that at least makes it kind of interesting, Page / Sabian is just an awful drag.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Jul 14, 2019 13:31:28 GMT -5
The match was executed finely at least, it just had no reason at all for anything. Which I can agree with. You could argue they wanted a Cody/Allin moment but there were big parts that didn’t make it work. But one of the worst of the year? That’s utter nonsense. It was *19 minutes* of pure nothingness that made both guys look worse in every way, including a guy that AEW's positioned to be their homegrown guy. If that wasn't one of the worst matches to happen this year then this must be a pretty awful year for wrestling.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 14, 2019 13:31:52 GMT -5
No that was it. It wasn't a big one and wasn't lame like the thronebreaker thing. I'm legit confused over the reaction. So here’s my theory; We’ve been used to TNA taking shot after shot and doing dumb things for so long, WAY dumber shots, that people take any shot at the competition as a sign they’re following that route. And honestly, I get it. We don’t need another TNA. It became so bad, TNA isn’t even TNA anymore and hasn’t been for well over a year now. But if you’re telling me “You don’t counter program what we do” is anywhere near Kip and BG James challenging “Michael Hickenbottom” or “Paul Leveque” to a Fight in the Alamo or them giving cookies to WWE people who happen to be nearby...you’re crazy. Yeah, people forget not just how petty TNA was with their WWE shots, but how much time they took to made them. Like practically getting one of the guys from the Highlanders tag team fired because he had the gall to attend an Impact taping when WWE was in town for Wrestlemania and TNA was like "A WWE GUY IS AT OUR SHOW WE'RE BIG TIME NOW LET'S PUT A CAMERA ON THIS GUY ON TV." Or meandering worked(?) shoot promos about the company up north from every former WWE guy to find their way to TNA. Or most of Kip and BG James' TNA careers. Compared to them, Cody smashing a throne with a sledgehammer is nothing. Throwing shade at WWE for counter-programming is justified because that's exactly what they did.
And besides, taking shots at other companies is just like, wrestling. Like the DX invasion of WCW, or the nWo originally being booked as a WWF invasion in all but name.
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Post by eJm on Jul 14, 2019 13:37:47 GMT -5
So here’s my theory; We’ve been used to TNA taking shot after shot and doing dumb things for so long, WAY dumber shots, that people take any shot at the competition as a sign they’re following that route. And honestly, I get it. We don’t need another TNA. It became so bad, TNA isn’t even TNA anymore and hasn’t been for well over a year now. But if you’re telling me “You don’t counter program what we do” is anywhere near Kip and BG James challenging “Michael Hickenbottom” or “Paul Leveque” to a Fight in the Alamo or them giving cookies to WWE people who happen to be nearby...you’re crazy. Yeah, people forget not just how petty TNA was with their TNA shots, but how much time they took to made them. Like practically getting one of the guys from the Highlanders tag team fired because he had the gall to attend an Impact taping when WWE was in town for Wrestlemania and TNA was like "A WWE GUY IS AT OUR SHOW WE'RE BIG TIME NOW LET'S PUT A CAMERA ON THIS GUY ON TV." Or meandering worked(?) shoot promos about the company up north from every former WWE guy to find their way to TNA. Or most of Kip and BG James' TNA careers. Compared to them, Cody smashing a throne with a sledgehammer is nothing.
And besides, taking shots at other companies is just like, wrestling. Like the DX invasion of WCW, or the nWo originally being booked as a WWF invasion in all but name.
And back to the Kip/BG thing for a second. We have to remember Dixie Carter put $1m of her own money for HHH and Michaels to actually fight them. At a time when the women’s champion was working at goddamn Sunglass Hut and stories were starting to come out about low morale and people not being paid. Like, that alone makes something like Bischoff challenging Vince to a fight look dignified.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 14, 2019 13:47:40 GMT -5
Ok, Page/Sabian wasn’t my favorite match ever... But one of the worst of the year? No disrespect intended but are people f***ing serious? i guess the hype around AEW is so great every opinion has to be taken to the extreme end. the way people are talking about it on here, you'd think it was a Hogan/Warrior Halloween Havoc or Jackie Gayda level botchfest instead of just a mediocre match that had a foregone conclusion (which always affects how invested fans get into the match)
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2019 13:48:35 GMT -5
Which I can agree with. You could argue they wanted a Cody/Allin moment but there were big parts that didn’t make it work. But one of the worst of the year? That’s utter nonsense. It was *19 minutes* of pure nothingness that made both guys look worse in every way, including a guy that AEW's positioned to be their homegrown guy. If that wasn't one of the worst matches to happen this year then this must be a pretty awful year for wrestling. Yeah, the length is the worst part for me. If the match had been like 15 minutes, even, it wouldn't have been that big a deal, but every minute added up to be a grueling grind.
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