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Post by thechase on Nov 5, 2019 15:13:05 GMT -5
Welp...
(spoken as a fan of the movie)
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 5, 2019 15:23:14 GMT -5
When they turned John into the villain in the last one, I said I wouldn't see another one.
Glad I didn't go to this one, to be honest.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 5, 2019 16:06:35 GMT -5
Just have the next movie be a full 90 minutes of naked Mackenzie Davis. ............ I'd watch it. [covers head and ducks things thrown at me]
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Post by thechase on Nov 5, 2019 16:34:04 GMT -5
Just have the next movie be a full 90 minutes of naked Mackenzie Davis. ............ I'd watch it. [covers head and ducks things thrown at me] I'll wait for the Cinema Snob review...
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 6, 2019 2:00:59 GMT -5
When they turned John into the villain in the last one, I said I wouldn't see another one. Glad I didn't go to this one, to be honest. Yeah, don't go. I really don't have a problem if they just wanted to tell the story they told, but {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}to kill John Connor and in the first ten minutes of the film? F*** that. It just spoiled my mood for the movie. Also I felt {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}The cargo plane fight was unnecessary.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Nov 11, 2019 3:09:22 GMT -5
I saw the movie thought it was pretty good. But I kind of feel like the producers missed probably the last opportunity they’ll have to tell a satisfying Terminator “ending”.
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Post by Display Name on Nov 11, 2019 4:01:09 GMT -5
Saw it today and was shocked at how much I was into it. I’m not even a big action movie guy, but thought the action/fight scenes were well done. Mackenzie’s little perky athletic butt was a bonus, as well.
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Post by edgestar on Nov 11, 2019 9:56:53 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty good. I wasn't so sure going into it, but, it's a fun rainy day movie.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Nov 12, 2019 1:13:40 GMT -5
The dog not barking at Carl was a nice touch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 22:53:34 GMT -5
The dog not barking at Carl was a nice touch. I just saw it, and it was shit like that that made me not like it. - Dogs bark at Terminators because they are man's best friend and can tell it isn't an actual human being. - As shown in T2, someone has to modify the chip in a T-800's head to enable them to be more inclined to learn to act human and stuff. Obviously this didn't happen to this Terminator so he shouldn't have acted that way. - If Sarah and John Connor prevented Skynet's Judgment Day which happened August 29, 1997, then how and why did a Terminator kill John in 1998? - Grace says she was modified, but if humans are living in a post apocalyptic world, where and how are they getting the technology, the laboratory space, and the scientists to perform these types of procedures. Grace says her dad was killed over a can of peaches, yet somehow people have the resources to genetically modify humans. - That fight on the plane was stupid. They were talking to each other in normal voices, when in reality they probably wouldn't even have heard each other if they were yelling. - Terminator movies, even the bad ones, still look "real" even if they are using CGI. A lot of the action in this one looked like a cartoon, like I was watching one of the first movies with CGI action scenes from the late 90's. - If the evil Terminator could essentially split into two, why didn't he just stay that way the entire time to be more of a threat? - In T2, it is specifically stated that liquid metal Terminators can't form complex machines like explosives. Yet here the liquid metal Terminator forms a gun in his hand. - In the beginning of the movie, they did a great job making it look like T2 era Linda Hamilton using CGI, yet somehow it was VERY obvious that was not Arnold Schwarzenegger and Edward Furlong, or even a good CGI replica of them. Genysis gets a lot of hate, but I thought it was WAY better and I would have much rather gotten a sequel to that.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 16, 2019 23:57:29 GMT -5
- If Sarah and John Connor prevented Skynet's Judgment Day which happened August 29, 1997, then how and why did a Terminator kill John in 1998? Unsurprisingly, the time travel rules in the franchise are a complete mess, because preventing Skynet from ever being created would logically mean the events of the first movie would never happen to begin with. Changing the future doesn't change the past, so if Skynet sent 100 Terminators back to different places in time to kill a teenage John Connor, preventing Judgement Day wouldn't erase them from history, they would still be there and still be on mission despite Skynet never existing to create them and send them back in time. Evidently that was the case if Sarah has spent 20 years hunting all the Terminators sent back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 4:33:18 GMT -5
- If Sarah and John Connor prevented Skynet's Judgment Day which happened August 29, 1997, then how and why did a Terminator kill John in 1998? Unsurprisingly, the time travel rules in the franchise are a complete mess, because preventing Skynet from ever being created would logically mean the events of the first movie would never happen to begin with. Changing the future doesn't change the past, so if Skynet sent 100 Terminators back to different places in time to kill a teenage John Connor, preventing Judgement Day wouldn't erase them from history, they would still be there and still be on mission despite Skynet never existing to create them and send them back in time. Evidently that was the case if Sarah has spent 20 years hunting all the Terminators sent back. That actually does make sense if Skynet sent all those Terminators back at once, but they even said in the movie that wasn't the case. Once Sarah and John erased Skynet from history, the Terminators Sarah was hunting for years were the ones sent back by Legion, which replaced Skynet in the timeline. They weren't specifically targeting Sarah or John (who was dead at that point anyway) they were targeting other people Legion found to be a threat. Carl (God, I hated that a Terminator named himself btw) could sense the disruptions in time somehow even though it was never stated in any previous film that Terminators had that ability. Also, even if we give the movie the benefit of the doubt and say Skynet did in fact send all those Terminators back at once, why did they send them all to such close periods in time? They could have sent one to Colonial times to kill John's Great Great Great Great Grandpa or some shit instead of sending them all to a time where Sarah and John could fight back with halfway decent weapons. Or better yet, why not send all those Terminators back to the same time? Imagine if Terminator 2 was about literally 100 Terminators trying to kill John instead of just the single T-1000. They could have made sure John was dead in like 5 minutes. This is why I much preferred Genysis. They at least put enough thought into the film to have a Terminator go back to even before the first film and try to kill Sarah as a little girl, thus changing the timeline. The entire logic of the film was far superior, at least to me, and I wish they would have continued with that storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 5:05:12 GMT -5
The dog not barking at Carl was a nice touch. I just saw it, and it was shit like that that made me not like it. - Dogs bark at Terminators because they are man's best friend and can tell it isn't an actual human being. - As shown in T2, someone has to modify the chip in a T-800's head to enable them to be more inclined to learn to act human and stuff. Obviously this didn't happen to this Terminator so he shouldn't have acted that way.- If Sarah and John Connor prevented Skynet's Judgment Day which happened August 29, 1997, then how and why did a Terminator kill John in 1998? - Grace says she was modified, but if humans are living in a post apocalyptic world, where and how are they getting the technology, the laboratory space, and the scientists to perform these types of procedures. Grace says her dad was killed over a can of peaches, yet somehow people have the resources to genetically modify humans. - That fight on the plane was stupid. They were talking to each other in normal voices, when in reality they probably wouldn't even have heard each other if they were yelling. - Terminator movies, even the bad ones, still look "real" even if they are using CGI. A lot of the action in this one looked like a cartoon, like I was watching one of the first movies with CGI action scenes from the late 90's. - If the evil Terminator could essentially split into two, why didn't he just stay that way the entire time to be more of a threat? - In T2, it is specifically stated that liquid metal Terminators can't form complex machines like explosives. Yet here the liquid metal Terminator forms a gun in his hand. - In the beginning of the movie, they did a great job making it look like T2 era Linda Hamilton using CGI, yet somehow it was VERY obvious that was not Arnold Schwarzenegger and Edward Furlong, or even a good CGI replica of them. Genysis gets a lot of hate, but I thought it was WAY better and I would have much rather gotten a sequel to that. Pretty sure this is in a deleted scene.
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Post by Bam Neeley on Nov 17, 2019 8:39:01 GMT -5
I just saw it, and it was shit like that that made me not like it. - Dogs bark at Terminators because they are man's best friend and can tell it isn't an actual human being. - As shown in T2, someone has to modify the chip in a T-800's head to enable them to be more inclined to learn to act human and stuff. Obviously this didn't happen to this Terminator so he shouldn't have acted that way.Pretty sure this is in a deleted scene. Yeah the fact that Terminators need to be chipped was a deleteted scene. It's not canon. The dog probably didn't think much about Carl if it had gotten accustomed to him as a puppy. Anyway I thought the movie was terrible.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 17, 2019 9:21:00 GMT -5
What if Skynet sent a Terminator dog?
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Post by Wilfred on Nov 17, 2019 9:22:48 GMT -5
Saw it about a week ago. Once I'd heard James Cameron was back I assumed he might be able to somewhat salvage the franchise and give us something new and interesting. But there really was nothing memorable about it at all for me. I've seen Dark Fate three times already... in T1, T2 and T3. I'd even say Salvation was more fun to watch, while an average movie and definitely flawed, at least it was a fresh take on the world. Unfortunately this was pretty disappointing.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Nov 17, 2019 9:51:45 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly, the time travel rules in the franchise are a complete mess, because preventing Skynet from ever being created would logically mean the events of the first movie would never happen to begin with. Changing the future doesn't change the past, so if Skynet sent 100 Terminators back to different places in time to kill a teenage John Connor, preventing Judgement Day wouldn't erase them from history, they would still be there and still be on mission despite Skynet never existing to create them and send them back in time. Evidently that was the case if Sarah has spent 20 years hunting all the Terminators sent back. That actually does make sense if Skynet sent all those Terminators back at once, but they even said in the movie that wasn't the case. Once Sarah and John erased Skynet from history, the Terminators Sarah was hunting for years were the ones sent back by Legion, which replaced Skynet in the timeline. They weren't specifically targeting Sarah or John (who was dead at that point anyway) they were targeting other people Legion found to be a threat. Carl (God, I hated that a Terminator named himself btw) could sense the disruptions in time somehow even though it was never stated in any previous film that Terminators had that ability. Also, even if we give the movie the benefit of the doubt and say Skynet did in fact send all those Terminators back at once, why did they send them all to such close periods in time? They could have sent one to Colonial times to kill John's Great Great Great Great Grandpa or some shit instead of sending them all to a time where Sarah and John could fight back with halfway decent weapons. Or better yet, why not send all those Terminators back to the same time? Imagine if Terminator 2 was about literally 100 Terminators trying to kill John instead of just the single T-1000. They could have made sure John was dead in like 5 minutes. This is why I much preferred Genysis. They at least put enough thought into the film to have a Terminator go back to even before the first film and try to kill Sarah as a little girl, thus changing the timeline. The entire logic of the film was far superior, at least to me, and I wish they would have continued with that storyline. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it explained in T1 that Skynet knew little to nothing about Sarah Connor other than her name and that she was John's mother. Hence the Terminator flipping through a phonebook and identifying all women called Sarah Connor for execution. Granted it did identify and kill Connor's mother, it was destroyed before anything could be done with that information. Skynet knowing the Connor lineage was mooted in the first film. --- Edit - Reese also said he was the lone protector sent through the time travel device before the resistance found it and destroyed it. That in itself cancels out T2.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 10:16:44 GMT -5
That actually does make sense if Skynet sent all those Terminators back at once, but they even said in the movie that wasn't the case. Once Sarah and John erased Skynet from history, the Terminators Sarah was hunting for years were the ones sent back by Legion, which replaced Skynet in the timeline. They weren't specifically targeting Sarah or John (who was dead at that point anyway) they were targeting other people Legion found to be a threat. Carl (God, I hated that a Terminator named himself btw) could sense the disruptions in time somehow even though it was never stated in any previous film that Terminators had that ability. Also, even if we give the movie the benefit of the doubt and say Skynet did in fact send all those Terminators back at once, why did they send them all to such close periods in time? They could have sent one to Colonial times to kill John's Great Great Great Great Grandpa or some shit instead of sending them all to a time where Sarah and John could fight back with halfway decent weapons. Or better yet, why not send all those Terminators back to the same time? Imagine if Terminator 2 was about literally 100 Terminators trying to kill John instead of just the single T-1000. They could have made sure John was dead in like 5 minutes. This is why I much preferred Genysis. They at least put enough thought into the film to have a Terminator go back to even before the first film and try to kill Sarah as a little girl, thus changing the timeline. The entire logic of the film was far superior, at least to me, and I wish they would have continued with that storyline. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it explained in T1 that Skynet knew little to nothing about Sarah Connor other than her name and that she was John's mother. Hence the Terminator flipping through a phonebook and identifying all women called Sarah Connor for execution. Granted it did identify and kill Connor's mother, it was destroyed before anything could be done with that information. Skynet knowing the Connor lineage was mooted in the first film. --- Edit - Reese also said he was the lone protector sent through the time travel device before the resistance found it and destroyed it. That in itself cancels out T2. You are right about Skynet only knowing Sarah's name. I concede that I am wrong on that point. However, it still doesn't explain why they sent only one Terminator at a time to go after her or John when they could have sent several to make sure the job got done. Also, I picked up on the fact that Reese said the resistance destroyed the time device when they first announced that T2 was coming out. I was like "wait, didn't they destroy the time machine?" However, it could be explained that the humans simply were not successful in their mission and the Terminators in the future killed them before they destroyed the time machine, but this should have been explained. It's the only flaw with T2 which is in my opinion an otherwise perfect movie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 10:22:32 GMT -5
I just saw it, and it was shit like that that made me not like it. - Dogs bark at Terminators because they are man's best friend and can tell it isn't an actual human being. - As shown in T2, someone has to modify the chip in a T-800's head to enable them to be more inclined to learn to act human and stuff. Obviously this didn't happen to this Terminator so he shouldn't have acted that way.- If Sarah and John Connor prevented Skynet's Judgment Day which happened August 29, 1997, then how and why did a Terminator kill John in 1998? - Grace says she was modified, but if humans are living in a post apocalyptic world, where and how are they getting the technology, the laboratory space, and the scientists to perform these types of procedures. Grace says her dad was killed over a can of peaches, yet somehow people have the resources to genetically modify humans. - That fight on the plane was stupid. They were talking to each other in normal voices, when in reality they probably wouldn't even have heard each other if they were yelling. - Terminator movies, even the bad ones, still look "real" even if they are using CGI. A lot of the action in this one looked like a cartoon, like I was watching one of the first movies with CGI action scenes from the late 90's. - If the evil Terminator could essentially split into two, why didn't he just stay that way the entire time to be more of a threat? - In T2, it is specifically stated that liquid metal Terminators can't form complex machines like explosives. Yet here the liquid metal Terminator forms a gun in his hand. - In the beginning of the movie, they did a great job making it look like T2 era Linda Hamilton using CGI, yet somehow it was VERY obvious that was not Arnold Schwarzenegger and Edward Furlong, or even a good CGI replica of them. Genysis gets a lot of hate, but I thought it was WAY better and I would have much rather gotten a sequel to that. Pretty sure this is in a deleted scene. This is muddy water. It wasn't in the theatrical or original home video release, however the scene was still included in the trading card set, the comic book adaptation etc at the time of the film's release. It was then put into the James Cameron Directors Cut which is actually the more widely available version at this point. It's the version most widely available on blu ray and DVD, and has pretty much been the standard release version for about 20 years now. The reason I say it's muddy water is because whether only the theatrical version of T2 or the directors cut is canon with Dark Fate is like trying to decide what is actual canon vs what isn't from the original theatrical releases of the Star Wars trilogy vs the various Special Editions,
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 19, 2019 21:29:40 GMT -5
I thought it was a good flick. I just think that these retcon sequels work best when it’s been a long time since the last one. If we went from Salvation to Dark Fate, I think the franchise would have been back on its legs again. Genisys wasn’t as good as Dark Fate IMO. If that’s the last Terminator flick, I think it’s a good way to go out.
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