kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on May 29, 2019 8:12:30 GMT -5
Guys like Moxley, Owens, Orton, Punk etc don’t belong in a PG company. It’s really that simple. PG isn't the problem. It's Vince. And it's been that way for decades. PG or not. Good shows or not. Ventura knew it, the Harts know it, it's been brought up throughout different media, and the wrestlers, including Jon himself, know it. |
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Post by jivesoulbrah on May 29, 2019 15:24:33 GMT -5
Outside of the Monday Night Wars, what had Vince really done to be labeled a genius? All his ventures outside the WWE have failed miserably, he didn’t start the WWE from the ground up, his grandfather did.
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Post by Session Moth is over on May 30, 2019 10:54:19 GMT -5
Outside of the Monday Night Wars, what had Vince really done to be labeled a genius? All his ventures outside the WWE have failed miserably, he didn’t start the WWE from the ground up, his grandfather did. He's probably good at running the business side of things. Like the idea of creating Wrestlemania and running PPV's and taking a big risk with the WWE Network but I have always felt he was vastly overated when it comes to storytelling, creativity etc. Stuff was generally awful in the early to mid 90's and he had to be puahed right into the attitude era and there have been way more misses than hits since what imo was two great years in 2000 and 2001. |
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Post by celtics543 on May 30, 2019 10:58:15 GMT -5
Outside of the Monday Night Wars, what had Vince really done to be labeled a genius? All his ventures outside the WWE have failed miserably, he didn’t start the WWE from the ground up, his grandfather did. Vince is a business genius. He's a creative imbecile though. |
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on May 30, 2019 11:10:00 GMT -5
He’s also been able to ditch the really lame name. I’m sure that even if WWE had let him keep it he’d be ditching it for Jon Moxley. Lumbering wrestlers (& tag teams) with awful names is this decades equivalent of the awful gimmicks of 93-96. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 30, 2019 12:47:54 GMT -5
Outside of the Monday Night Wars, what had Vince really done to be labeled a genius? All his ventures outside the WWE have failed miserably, he didn’t start the WWE from the ground up, his grandfather did. Vince is a business genius. He's a creative imbecile though. He's not a business genius either. If he was, every endeavor outside of wrestling wouldn't be a spectacular failure. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 30, 2019 12:59:08 GMT -5
Outside of the Monday Night Wars, what had Vince really done to be labeled a genius? All his ventures outside the WWE have failed miserably, he didn’t start the WWE from the ground up, his grandfather did. Vince is a business genius. He's a creative imbecile though. He was a genius in creative. He was absolutely on the ball for what the people wanted in the 1980's and even into the real early 90's. The larger than life human cartoon 80's action Hero with Hogan. The combined charisma of Hogan with the Marketing power of Vince is what made Hulkamania and Wrestlemania and the WWF as a whole a National and International Success. He just lost the plot of the Zeitgeist of the time in the 90's and never really got it back... his back was against the wall so he was forced to make the Attitude Era. After WCW folded and the world wasn't X-TREME! any more... he fell back into his old habits which did work for a while especially as he was still willing to listen to others... but now he's 40 years out of step, older and more set in his ways and well with all the money coming in from other sources he clearly feels like he's doing things right... so obviously the fans are wrong. |
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Post by celtics543 on May 30, 2019 13:05:00 GMT -5
Vince is a business genius. He's a creative imbecile though. He was a genius in creative. He was absolutely on the ball for what the people wanted in the 1980's and even into the real early 90's. The larger than life human cartoon 80's action Hero with Hogan. The combined charisma of Hogan with the Marketing power of Vince is what made Hulkamania and Wrestlemania and the WWF as a whole a National and International Success. He just lost the plot of the Zeitgeist of the time in the 90's and never really got it back... his back was against the wall so he was forced to make the Attitude Era. After WCW folded and the world wasn't X-TREME! any more... he fell back into his old habits which did work for a while especially as he was still willing to listen to others... but now he's 40 years out of step, older and more set in his ways and well with all the money coming in from other sources he clearly feels like he's doing things right... so obviously the fans are wrong. I'd argue most of those storylines though came from other people. The 80's he was correct to push Hogan but the Attitude Era came from Russo and McMahon was his governor. I'd argue that guys like Bruce Pritchard, Pat Patterson, and JR had a lot more to do with the boom in the 90's than they're given credit for. Vince is good at knowing how to spend money but I don't know that he's necessarily the driving force behind any creative boom. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 30, 2019 13:27:20 GMT -5
Vince really benefit from timing more than anything else. He was on the ball on being able to act quicker with innovations and things than the other guys&also had no scruples at all which allowed him to be ruthless.
Dude has never been a genius in any phase. Lucky, ruthless, cunning---those I'd give him.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 30, 2019 13:35:20 GMT -5
What Vince certainly was rock solid at is a word we don't really hear used in wrestling much anymore: being a promoter. All the buzzwords and whatnot associated with WWE today can get annoying, to be sure, but for a long time Vince knew how to make people want to see a wrestling show. It certainly helped that he was able to afford a ton of top talent to do that with, but he still did the work necessary to promote them as much as possible, and did it incredibly well during the company's hey day.
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Post by Brian Suntan on May 30, 2019 13:48:36 GMT -5
Ambrose wanted to do shit like that while WWE wanted him to do shit like this  The audio on that AEW clip was terrible but him grabbing the smoke did nothing for me. Kinda diminished him a bit. He should have taken the ciggarette and put it out on that guys shirt or something. I'm seemingly in a very small minority on this, but while Ambrose debut was awesome, his backstage promo and that video are really naff. Like a nerds idea of how a cool person would act. Obviously nowhere near as naff as what he was doing though, I'll say that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 9:06:08 GMT -5
This is why WWE is burying EC3; because fans didn't want to boo Ambrose on his way out.
So what better way than to punish Ambrose then to punish the guy he worked with for two weeks for months on end?
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jun 1, 2019 23:03:49 GMT -5
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