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Post by kingoftheindies on May 31, 2019 10:11:58 GMT -5
Oh, I was waiting for this review. I had a similar reaction to the trash that was the battle royale and in fact I was on the fence about the PPV but that firmly convinced me not to bother. Cornette didn't trash everything. His review was a saltier version of what Wade Keller thought of the show, namely that it got good by the time Cody and Dustin happened. He also liked the SCU match. I do find his constant railing against "indie, outlaw BS" amusing though. This is a guy that booked himself against one of the TMNT in SMW, as well as promoting a wrestling mummy. Memphis did a ton of weird outlaw antics. That said, his point should be well taken. The minute Sonny Kiss does his act on TNT I would bet Turner execs and Standards and Practices will shut that down quickly. It's the same deal if Joey Ryan did his act on mainstream TV. I'm willing to put up with a certain amount of silliness in wrestling. I used to watch the USWA and saw some of the goofiest stuff ever. But that sort of show was on the fringe of the industry. It would tank if presented on national TV. The Battle Royal was disjointed yes. While I do find Marko Stunt entertaining I do agree. That he was not good for the battle royal in my opinion. Same for Brandon Thomas. Sonny? I hope he is used more like he was in LU where him being gay was not used as his gimmick or for offense (at least from what I remember) I think a lot of this will be sorted out
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Post by timelimitdraw on May 31, 2019 10:29:58 GMT -5
I love Jim and respect his legacy and his opinions, but for years his gimmick has been taking whatever outrage he has and cranking the volume up to 11. He's proven repeatedly that if you're paying him, he'll tone it down. If you're not, he'll crank it up. His TNA run, working alongside Vince Russo for three years long after Russo left WWE and did the poor Oklahoma/JR parody, is evidence of that. He loved ROH until he was let go. If AEW offered him a spot as an agent (which would be funny and ironic considering his history with the Young Bucks), any criticisms he had would be muted if non-existent. Whenever he inevitably parts ways with MLW down the road, look for him to bury them too.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 31, 2019 10:34:24 GMT -5
Yeah but even those greatest of all time guys looked like they at least went to the gym. And he's just the first, surprisingly most relevant guy to pop into my head. Like...pecs don't make the worker. The WORK makes the worker.
Jerry Lawler has proudly gone on record that he's never worked out in a gym in his entire life.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 31, 2019 10:41:02 GMT -5
I completely disagreed with all of his ranting about Excalibur though. Excalibur did a fantastic job of carrying the broadcast, including with Jim Ross, which is saying something. Cornette's constant references to "OUTLAW WRESTLING" is ignorant. All 13,000 people in that audience knew who Excalibur is from his over 15 years in the industry as a wrestler and commentator, whether he's done it on national television before or not, guess what... in 2019 people can watch wrestling from all over the world very easily, without it needing to be on television. People have seen and appreciated PWG. People saw All In. The guy is a good commentator. He is familiar with all of the talent that appeared on the show. It is absolutely irrelevant that he wears a mask during on camera segments that take up 1% of the broadcast. In addition to what you listed, Excalibur's done commentary for New Japan and NWA: Championship Wrestling from Hollywood (during and after their time with those initials in their name). Which I have to wonder if Jim thinks those two promotions are "outlaw wrasslin" too. Because if a promotion tied directly to the NWA, even in its current state, is and a promotion that has ties to the NWA of old, among other old organizations, is then what the heck isn't outlaw wrestling at this point? And he's just the first, surprisingly most relevant guy to pop into my head. Like...pecs don't make the worker. The WORK makes the worker.
Are you seriously comparing Dusty Rhodes a near 300 pound guy to Marko Stunt who looks a like a strong breeze would knock him over? The work only works if I believe what I am seeing. Can M. Stunt do a running senton or clothesline? Sure he can. Can he do it to say Kenny Omega and Omega then sell the move? he certainly can. Do I believe that it did any damage to Kenny Omega even if he sells it? No I don't. There is no illusion here. It isn't some mysterious luchador from mexico or even someone like Jack Evans/Orange Cassidy who though small have muscle definition, this is a tiny kid anyone at home could beat and it devalues the a wrestling. If he is being used in a comedy match then fine, but it's not. It's a battle royal for the main title. And the Royal Rumble has never had comedy in it? Did I, among many examples I could pull from, dream that one year it came down to someone heavily protected and pushed & a guy that was typically treated like a lower card joke for years that the fans actually got really hot over the idea of him winning the entire thing? Did I dream that one of the hottest acts on WWECW at one point was a scrawny kid named Colin Delaney? Like, I get it, you don't like Stunt and to each their own on that matter. But come on.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 31, 2019 11:00:12 GMT -5
Like, it really does frustrate me that, in the year of our lord 2019, we're STILL having to hear people use the "Well, I could beat that guy up, probably!" argument. It's ridiculous. If one of the best in the world in Kenny Omega is willing to sell for him, and all the guys that sold for him in the battle royal are willing to sell for him, then it's a f***ing non-issue as far as we're concerned.
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Post by cactussam on May 31, 2019 11:12:57 GMT -5
Isn't the business supposed to be a work? If they are good workers and make you believe, then what does it matter?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 31, 2019 11:35:15 GMT -5
Isn't the business supposed to be a work? If they are good workers and make you believe, then what does it matter? Because the poster who started the criticism says he doesn’t believe.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 11:39:13 GMT -5
Excalibur was excellent. It seemed like jealousy to me
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 31, 2019 11:41:18 GMT -5
Like, it really does frustrate me that, in the year of our lord 2019, we're STILL having to hear people use the "Well, I could beat that guy up, probably!" argument. It's ridiculous. If one of the best in the world in Kenny Omega is willing to sell for him, and all the guys that sold for him in the battle royal are willing to sell for him, then it's a f***ing non-issue as far as we're concerned. Yup. Kenny Omega has sold for nine year old girls cosplaying as Taker. This shit is fake, lads.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 31, 2019 12:06:00 GMT -5
Also if booked correctly Stunt could easily be for AEW what Mikey Whipwreck in early ECW or Spike Dudley in later ECW were for ECW.
Doesn't hurt a lot of places have booked him like early Whipwreck and he's definitely leaned hard into the role.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 31, 2019 12:06:34 GMT -5
Then please upload said tape so he can be exposed. Didn't this already get brought up by the same dude in a thread before, and we never got any proof? Exactly, if there’s a tape of Cornette saying the n word then please upload it if not then don’t make serious shit up.
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Post by funakifan88 on May 31, 2019 12:07:25 GMT -5
Can anybody tell me what he said about Aubrey Edwards and female referees? I'd rather not give his youtube or podcast accounts any plays but am dying to know what he said.
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Post by honsou on May 31, 2019 12:55:23 GMT -5
Like, it really does frustrate me that, in the year of our lord 2019, we're STILL having to hear people use the "Well, I could beat that guy up, probably!" argument. It's ridiculous. If one of the best in the world in Kenny Omega is willing to sell for him, and all the guys that sold for him in the battle royal are willing to sell for him, then it's a f***ing non-issue as far as we're concerned. Yup. Kenny Omega has sold for nine year old girls cosplaying as Taker. This shit is fake, lads. Wrong little girl, he wrestled the 9 year old at Stardom not Chairman Ramu of 666 fame. Trust me if Kenny Omega did a match in 666 he'd be doing much crazier stuff than wrestling a little girl. When it comes to the "everyone needs to be serious in a battle royal for the heavyweight championship", the amount of comedy jobbers in the royal rumble is endless because the idea of any sort of Rumble is supposed to be chaotic where anyone has a shot a winning even if the odds are extremely rare that they'll win. When it comes to the size of Marko Stunt I really only have three words. Little.Spike.Dudley
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Post by FHgrad99 on May 31, 2019 12:59:46 GMT -5
Before I listened to his review, I had a feeling that he was going to have some positive and negative things to say about the show. The things he liked and the things he didn't didn't surprise me. I knew he was going to like the Cody/Dustin match and he did calling it "the best thing he's seen in months." He also praised MJF a lot which I figured he would because he has been around him in MLW and he thinks he's a great heel. I knew he was probably going to hate the battle royal because of some of the comedy stuff. I wasn't too surprised with anything that he said overall.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 31, 2019 13:05:29 GMT -5
I don't get how he finds Omega so unbelievable. When I watch his matches he looks like like a muscled up crazy person beating the everloving shit out of people, and his promos are pretty intense.
He was getting on Joey Janella for his build, and he doesn't look any worse IMO than most of the territory stars Cornette worked with in his prime.
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Post by Peeetah on May 31, 2019 13:08:15 GMT -5
Even though I have a handheld tape from a SMW show where he went on a racist tirade shouting the N word at a black security guard who wasn't listening to him about ejecting a fan from the show. This is the sentence I'm taking away from this... Yeah I feel like ya kinda buried the lead hear...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 31, 2019 13:09:51 GMT -5
I don't get how he finds Omega so unbelievable. When I watch his matches he looks like like a muscled up crazy person beating the everloving shit out of people, and his promos are pretty intense. Omega does comedy spots occasionally therefore he's a joke. He's said that multiple times.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 31, 2019 13:10:35 GMT -5
I don't get how he finds Omega so unbelievable. When I watch his matches he looks like like a muscled up crazy person beating the everloving shit out of people, and his promos are pretty intense. He was getting on Joey Janella for his build, and he doesn't look any worse IMO than most of the territory stars Cornette worked with in his prime. Yeah, Janela legit looks like somebody pulled him out of a southern territory in the 70's.
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Post by sportatorium on May 31, 2019 14:15:47 GMT -5
Cornette just can’t unsee Midnights vs Rock & Roll matches. He has some fair points, but belabors them until you can’t listen anymore. Yes, the Battle Royal was goofy, yes The Young Bucks & Lucha Bros was spot heavy.
That said, they aren’t going to tell an extended story with those teams in one night. They gave the audience who wanted to see the Bucks & Luchas exactly what they wanted.
His beef with the Bucks & Omega is just dumb. When he prefaces his part about Omega-Jericho with how much he hates Omega & how he thinks he’s just crap and then leaves us with “Chris led him through the match & made him look decent”, he compromises his own credibility which ironically is what he accused the Elite of doing constantly.
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Post by domrep on May 31, 2019 14:30:44 GMT -5
There were some comments that were off putting but his overall viewpoint is that he's looking at it from the eyes of someone who isn't familiar with the product, the production side of it, and probably the network side of it.
AEW wants to be all-inclusive which is great, but the Sonny Kiss stuff isn't flying on TNT. So the question becomes, what do you do? Do you tone the gimmick down or not feature this wrestler at all?
The battle royal was a hot mess, and his overall point was: this was for a shot at the title and you have a double amputee (I think his story is great FWIW), a guy smoking a cigarette and someone else stapling people.
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