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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 14:42:03 GMT -5
I can see his point about the announcers not giving us any background info on the wrestlers. Other than that... sounds like I won't be listening to his review anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 15:13:39 GMT -5
I generally enjoy Cornette’s takes on some things. Couldn’t finish the DoN review though, he had some legit gripes but he gets too wound up about inconsequential things like a commentator in a mask or the video game style intro.
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Post by domrep on May 31, 2019 15:59:36 GMT -5
I generally enjoy Cornette’s takes on some things. Couldn’t finish the DoN review though, he had some legit gripes but he gets too wound up about inconsequential things like a commentator in a mask or the video game style intro. His gripe about the mask stuff, if I understood it correctly, was that there was no backstory. Why is he wearing a mask. We've never had a wrestling commentator on national TV who wore a mask. It was one of those things where we just expected to know.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 16:44:53 GMT -5
I generally enjoy Cornette’s takes on some things. Couldn’t finish the DoN review though, he had some legit gripes but he gets too wound up about inconsequential things like a commentator in a mask or the video game style intro. His gripe about the mask stuff, if I understood it correctly, was that there was no backstory. Why is he wearing a mask. We've never had a wrestling commentator on national TV who wore a mask. It was one of those things where we just expected to know. I mean, I understood what he was saying, it’s just not a big deal to me I guess. I’d never heard of Excalibur before Saturday but I figure he used to wrestle in a mask now that he does commentary he still wears the mask since it’s what he’s known for.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 31, 2019 17:01:17 GMT -5
I generally enjoy Cornette’s takes on some things. Couldn’t finish the DoN review though, he had some legit gripes but he gets too wound up about inconsequential things like a commentator in a mask or the video game style intro. His gripe about the mask stuff, if I understood it correctly, was that there was no backstory. Why is he wearing a mask. We've never had a wrestling commentator on national TV who wore a mask. It was one of those things where we just expected to know. Why'd Ventura dress up like he did? Because they were formerly a wrestler. I see a guy in a wrestling mask, and I'd assume, correctly, that he used to be a wrestler. It really isn't hard at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 17:05:39 GMT -5
"This guy wears a mask because he used to be a masked wrestler"
Oh wow I never would have guessed that! Do we really need that explaining to viewers ffs.
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Post by Welfare Willis on May 31, 2019 17:05:52 GMT -5
Haven't listen to the podcast, but reading some stuff here I'm not surprised Cornette would bury it. He has beef with the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega. So I wouldn't trust him to fairly critique those guys. Jim is one of the greatest managers of all time. He's entertaining as hell on his podcast. He's a great historian on the past of professional wrestling. He's good on MLW. I understand he has a point of view of what wrestling is and if anything goes against that point of view then he will reject it outright. Which is fine, but my point of view is different than his. I generally enjoy Cornette’s takes on some things. Couldn’t finish the DoN review though, he had some legit gripes but he gets too wound up about inconsequential things like a commentator in a mask or the video game style intro. Honestly, I think my first thought was about the mask when I saw, but you know what? I didn't see a mask for the other 4+ hours of the ppv. I just heard really good commentary. It's a little ridiculous, but of the stuff Tony Khan and those production side should look at and change after DoN? It's insignificant.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 31, 2019 17:12:35 GMT -5
His gripe about the mask stuff, if I understood it correctly, was that there was no backstory. Why is he wearing a mask. We've never had a wrestling commentator on national TV who wore a mask. It was one of those things where we just expected to know. Why'd Ventura dress up like he did? Because they were formerly a wrestler. I see a guy in a wrestling mask, and I'd assume, correctly, that he used to be a wrestler. It really isn't hard at all. Yeah, the few people I've seen bring up the mask I've been like... Did you never see Ventura on commentary? Piper? Savage? Or, for the younger lot that maybe did miss them, Jerry Lawler? You know, the guy that went by The King and always carried his crown and usually had some type of royal themed jacket. Some critiques of DON are valid, but that one feels like people nitpicking for the sake of it.
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Post by honsou on May 31, 2019 17:39:29 GMT -5
The only thing I agreed with him on was parts of the Battle Royal and Marvez but honestly its gotten to the point where he simply does not understand what gets over anymore. Not even getting the appeal of Janela is baffling to me. Him talking about video games like they are some niche interest that only hardcore nerds are into just makes him sound like hes 80 years old. The fixation of Excalibur's mask was also just really weird.
What annoyed me the most was him constantly moving the goal post with regards to the Bucks and Omega. A few years ago it was "can't sell out a building with more than a few hundred people" then it was "well they were able to sell out a building once" and now its "well they are now just appealing to a cult audience but they won't be able to get the mainstream into it". I assume if they start drawing even decently on TV (lets say around 1.0 rating) he'll come up with the excuse of how they would get more fans with less "goofy" stuff but at this point you gotta acknowledge it as a success.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on May 31, 2019 18:23:39 GMT -5
He also said some homophobic things as well about Sonny Kiss which irked me THAT was my biggest takeaway from his review. That and his insistence on continuing to despise Kenny Omega because...he likes video games? I guess?? (yes, I know it’s more than that...but it’s stupid no matter how you slice it.) I’m 42 and I’ve been watching wrestling for 30+ years...and I find myself disagreeing with Jim more than I agree with him when it comes to wrestling. I do agree with him in other areas...like, STRONGLY...but I can’t/won’t get into that here.
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 31, 2019 18:24:41 GMT -5
Maybe to a fault, I'm generally on board with just about everything Cornette says. I believe that of all of the people that are left from the old days, Cornette is the one who truly and wholeheartedly LOVES this business, and has it's best interest in mind. You can say his opnions are outdaded, but wrestling in itself is outdated now with the meteoric rise of MMA, and if you're looking for the guy who is going to fight tooth and nail to make sure that wrestling as a product will stay alive, and be considered a real form of entertainment.. he's your guy.
I listened to the whole podcast too, and the first thing I will agree with, is alot of the aspects of the Buy In Casino Battle Royale. I 100% understand the concept of the "buffet" mindset when it comes to booking a show. However, when the OWNER and all of the EVP's constantly harp on wins and losses being forefront, and that you want a sports-centric product.. I have a hard time watching a guy in baby oil twerk on his opponent. And as unfortunate, shitty, and shallow as it may sound.. I have to agree with his opinion on Dustin Thomas. I am so proud and happy that this man got his chance to shine on this stage. I can 100% understand why they booked him, but going forward, I think he is a talent best reserved for matches like this.
Now, this is something even I've battled with, as a lapsed fan who wasn't watched two weeks worth of wrestling television since 2002.. I actually don't mind Excalibur, and I don't mind him being masked. Does it need to be explained, maybe. I think this is something they can incorporate into a mini-story later on. It is different seeing a commentator with a mask, and I think that's what they need.
Overall, Cornette lives by his gimmick, and especially nowadays, his gimmick is to be the old, negative asshole. I truly think he enjoyed more of the show than what he let on. I would almost best cash money that just the fact that there was a high budget show like this, caused him great joy. He would love to see anything else besided the WWE flourish.
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Post by chazraps on May 31, 2019 18:52:14 GMT -5
If you listen to a fun Cornette rant from 2015 and then one from 2019, you can just tell how less jovial and just bitter he sounds.
If may be him leaning into the character he of the gets characterized at, or the schedule of a podcast forcing his trademarks to erode his objectivity and core personality, but wow is he just a bummer.
I hadn't heard his podcast for a while and tried giving his Mania 35 review a shot and it was the same thing. He's just marinating himself in all his most potent curmudgeonly juices. It doesn't seem fun to hear a Corny rant anymore.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 19:00:00 GMT -5
Oh yeah, just remembered. Him not knowing what sensory inclusive meant and trying to shit on them for that was very cringey.
He kinda was coming off a bit jealous. I’d like to see what type of show Cornette would book in 2019 given the resources Cody and co. had lol.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on May 31, 2019 19:08:30 GMT -5
I love listening to Corny when it comes to wrestling history, as he's a great storyteller with a crazy encyclopedic memory.
I generally skip over his commentary on modern wrestling, though, as it's usually bad advice and frequently cringe-inducing to listen to. Every now and then he'll make a good point about old school methods that could be adapted for a modern audience, but for the most part he's very much stuck in his glory days.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 31, 2019 19:38:45 GMT -5
He's an miserable old fart who has been booted out of damn near every promotion he has worked for. I'm done with him.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 31, 2019 20:34:54 GMT -5
I listened to it. He certainly didn't bury the show. My only negative about it was that he skipped the Joshi match as it was one of the best things on the card.
I have to say I agree with most of his points and the ones I don't I respect his experience and can understand why he feels the way he does.
Brian has hit the nail on the head though about not being allowed to critique AEW on social media without being told you're a WWE guy. I've had that on Twitter myself. It's especially amusing to say Brian is after they recently reviewed a couple of Raws and they hated it.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 31, 2019 20:42:01 GMT -5
Oh yeah, just remembered. Him not knowing what sensory inclusive meant and trying to shit on them for that was very cringey. He kinda was coming off a bit jealous. I’d like to see what type of show Cornette would book in 2019 given the resources Cody and co. had lol. To be fair I didn't know what it was either and had to Google it. Jim has since learned about it and praised it.
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Post by brown bricks on May 31, 2019 21:23:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure what anyone expected when listening to his review. He pretty much liked and hated what I figured he'd like and hate. I love Cornette, but he can be a little too harsh at times on certain things. Having said that, a lot of people love to jump online when he says anything and shit on him for it. I agree that Cornette is likely leaning into his "old man yelling at clouds" gimmick at this point. Why wouldn't he? Morons like Joey Ryan will bring more attention to anything he says.
Having said all of that, Cornette was absolutely right about a few things, namely that battle royal and the women's match.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 21:26:16 GMT -5
He's mostly wrong about everything. The only thing I think he is right about really is that the announce team did do a poor job of explaining people and there were some production snafus where the camera work missed key spots or key spots overlapped with one another like in the battle royale.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 22:46:02 GMT -5
I rewatched DoN last night with my buddy who was never an insider or workrate fan who was a wcw only fan that stopped watching wrestling when wcw went out of business.I told him AEW was gonna be on TNT in the fall and it filled him with enough nostalgia that he agreed to watch the debut show but he was more in line with Cornette’s thoughts as he had no idea who 99.9% of the people were or what was going most of the show and my friend isn’t some old bitter curmudgeon he just looks at pro wrestling way differently than the IWC.
His positives were: It looked Major League on TV and reminded him that halloween havoc took place there which was bonus points for him.
The crowd passion he just wished he could be that excited about it.
He remembered Glacier,DDP,Jim Ross(who he was never a fan of he was a schiavone guy),Bret Hart,Dustin Rhodes and Jericho from WCW.Those were the only people he knew on the show.
He thought MJF was a superstar and he wants to punch him in the face.
He thought Luchasaurus looked like a cooler version of Mortis
He thought the Guy with no legs was amazing.
He was a big fan of Allie & Brandi.
He absolutely loved Cody & Dustin and felt it was the only time he had any idea what was going on with the show.He cried even though he claims otherwise.
He thought Pentagon looked awesome.
He couldn’t believe Jericho who he hasn’t seen since 99 was still wrestling & a main eventer.He got into the match after I explained the backstory.
He had zero idea who Moxley was but he was intrigued by the crowd response and his intensity.
His Negatives: The Announcers.
The Fact he had no idea what was happening most of the time.
Too much goofy stuff in the battle royal for a match where the winner is getting a world title shot.
He didn’t get Omega or The Young Bucks at all
Watching the show with him was an eye opener cause if AEW wants to bring back real lapsed fans and not the fans that claim their lapsed but still watch all the time and are constantly searching the internet was wrestling news their gonna need to change alot of what they do to appeal to those real former fans.
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