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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 25, 2019 11:28:38 GMT -5
I'll add Terry Gordy and Dr Death during the Attitude era. Gordy was sick and out of his prime and Dr Death looked like a fish out of water. Also Mike Awesome in WCW I think might count. Its hard for me to say because WCW gave him a dumb gimmick and expected him to pick up the pieces and be successful. Another one is Low Ki in WWE, but I chalk that up to Ki being Ki. And Samoa Joe in his ROH return after he left Impact
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 25, 2019 11:54:04 GMT -5
- Even though it seemed to work out well, I initially thought it was weird seeing Benoit and Eddie in WWF, given that at the time they were known for their work rate while WWF wasn't exactly marketing that style then. About that working out well...
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Post by Venti on Jun 25, 2019 12:20:36 GMT -5
I'll add Terry Gordy and Dr Death during the Attitude era. Gordy was sick and out of his prime and Dr Death looked like a fish out of water. Also Mike Awesome in WCW I think might count. Its hard for me to say because WCW gave him a dumb gimmick and expected him to pick up the pieces and be successful. Another one is Low Ki in WWE, but I chalk that up to Ki being Ki. And Samoa Joe in his ROH return after he left Impact Isn't Gordy the one where they brought him in simply to be kind and get him a payday when he had fallen on hard times? I think I read that somewhere and thought it was one of those instances where Vince was actually being a nice guy. And I feel bad, but I always laugh just picturing JR probably going around and telling everyone in the locker room and the office that Dr. Death was gonna come in, dominate everyone, win Brawn 4 All and go up against Austin. Just totally hyping the guy up, then he gets knocked out. I feel bad for Williams being put in that situation, because he was set up to fail since he wasn't in his prime, but the idea of JR going "mark my words, Steve is gonna beat everyone" is kinda funny to me.
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Post by agent817 on Jun 25, 2019 12:21:25 GMT -5
I'll add Terry Gordy and Dr Death during the Attitude era. Gordy was sick and out of his prime and Dr Death looked like a fish out of water. Also Mike Awesome in WCW I think might count. Its hard for me to say because WCW gave him a dumb gimmick and expected him to pick up the pieces and be successful. Another one is Low Ki in WWE, but I chalk that up to Ki being Ki. And Samoa Joe in his ROH return after he left Impact Wait, when was Terry Gordy in the WWF during the Attitude Era? I don't remember this. Was this early 1998? It was before I became a fan.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 25, 2019 12:53:00 GMT -5
I'll add Terry Gordy and Dr Death during the Attitude era. Gordy was sick and out of his prime and Dr Death looked like a fish out of water. Also Mike Awesome in WCW I think might count. Its hard for me to say because WCW gave him a dumb gimmick and expected him to pick up the pieces and be successful. Another one is Low Ki in WWE, but I chalk that up to Ki being Ki. And Samoa Joe in his ROH return after he left Impact Wait, when was Terry Gordy in the WWF during the Attitude Era? I don't remember this. Was this early 1998? It was before I became a fan. He was the Executioner. Now Im not sure if that was during the New Generation or Attitude era. Also Id add in anyone from the NWA Invasion during the Attitude Era
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 25, 2019 13:07:34 GMT -5
Isn't it too soon to make fun of his girth?
/TNA fans thought he still had It...
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Post by malloc on Jun 25, 2019 13:36:33 GMT -5
Sure someone has said it but Mike Awesome in WCW. From killer to fat chick thriller.
DDP in WWE. Unmasked himself to massive pop crowd goes nuts for him cuts a great promo getting the crowd to turn on him and then they bury him.
The NWO gimmick in wwe.
Doug Bashem could have been more.
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Jun 25, 2019 13:40:37 GMT -5
Dusty in WWF for me was never a good fit. It was obvious Vince didn't like him or have any idea how to portray him.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 25, 2019 14:01:21 GMT -5
Christopher Daniels' run in WCW was pretty disastrous.
I feel like there were a lot of guys like that in the tail end of WCW, like Mike Awesome mentioned above.
Might have been less about them and more about nothing fitting at all.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 25, 2019 14:04:08 GMT -5
Dusty in WWF for me was never a good fit. It was obvious Vince didn't like him or have any idea how to portray him. Nah, he was over like crazy.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 25, 2019 14:21:05 GMT -5
Heres another one The Public Enemy in WCW and one day in WWF. Butch Reed in the WWF (he may have been the victim of a stacked roster), Shane Douglas in WWF (although his gimmick sucked), Jon Moxley in DGUSA (his match with Daniel Bryan ruled though)
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 25, 2019 15:21:46 GMT -5
Ron Garvin in WWF. When I first started watching I wasnt aware of his JCP past, but even without that knowledge he just looked like some bland guy with a Bart Simpson haircut (yeah, I know he had that hairstyle long before the Simpsons) and a towel, he didnt fit in with any of the other stars of the time. The thing about that is that by all rights, Ron should have been a perfect fit. Remember, he was the top babyface in Poffo's ICW, and that promotion was all about the batshitcrazy. His stuff with Valentine showed promises of that (him trolling heels as an announcer, and the infamous taunting of Valentine while in the figure four), but they booked and treated him too much like a bland NWA guy, and Ron was really anything but.
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Post by agent817 on Jun 25, 2019 15:26:38 GMT -5
Maybe I need to watch stuff from 1997 WWF (I need to resubscribe to The Network soon), but it seemed like The Patriot was a bit out-of-place during that time. It almost seemed like he was brought in mainly to feud with Bret Hart, who had the anti-American angle going on at the time. After that, he got injured and was never seen again.
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Jun 25, 2019 15:34:45 GMT -5
Dusty in WWF for me was never a good fit. It was obvious Vince didn't like him or have any idea how to portray him. Nah, he was over like crazy. He may well have been over bit that was purely through Dusty himself and his aura. He just stuck out like a sore thumb and was treated as a bit of a novelty.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jun 25, 2019 16:21:06 GMT -5
Nah, he was over like crazy. He may well have been over bit that was purely through Dusty himself and his aura. He just stuck out like a sore thumb and was treated as a bit of a novelty. I think some people are too hard on Dusty in the WWF and I think he had a good run, but it is very strange to see him doing the polka dot gimmick if you were familiar with his Crockett stuff. He was booked like a badass in JCP. Basically John Wayne with a smile. Then he was cartoon in WWF. Imagine Stone Cold Steve Austin being given polka dots and a dancing gimmick. That is almost how stark it was.
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 10, 2019 20:23:54 GMT -5
He may well have been over bit that was purely through Dusty himself and his aura. He just stuck out like a sore thumb and was treated as a bit of a novelty. I think some people are too hard on Dusty in the WWF and I think he had a good run, but it is very strange to see him doing the polka dot gimmick if you were familiar with his Crockett stuff. He was booked like a badass in JCP. Basically John Wayne with a smile. Then he was cartoon in WWF. Imagine Stone Cold Steve Austin being given polka dots and a dancing gimmick. That is almost how stark it was. I think Dusty Rhodes would’ve been a better fit for the WWF in the late 70s/early 80s(and I believe he had a brief stint during that time. Didn’t he challenge “Superstar” Billy Graham for the championship?). He had a charismatic aura to him and was colorful on the mic, which even back then was important to have. It’s just being a big name throughout the 80s in NWA/JCP made it hard to see him as a WWF guy since he’s been with the competition for so long. Back on topic, when WWF put a half-ass attempt at bringing in Lucha Libre guys, I felt like I was watching a different show. Even as a bias 10 year old WWF mark at the time, I knew it was a pathetic attempt to copy WCWs cruiserweight division, and they couldn’t compete. I keep forgetting Tony Schavonie worked for WWF in 1989 to 1990. He even did commentary on two PPVs(Summerslam and Royal Rumble).
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Post by benstudd on Jul 10, 2019 20:28:51 GMT -5
If we can count non-wrestling talent, how about Heenan and Mean Gene in WCW? Or Ms Elizabeth in WCW for that matter. I don't think Hogan fit in WCW until he joined NWO. Then things just clicked. However, as noted above, even though to me he's WWF personified from like 84 to about 91, by 1993 he looked really out of place. I just watched the Wrestlemania 9 main event, and he just didn't look right when he came out to face Yokozuna. I thought Heenan and Mean Gene did phenomenal in WCW. They made Nitro great.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 10, 2019 20:33:11 GMT -5
A few of the 1996-1997 guys would have done fine just a few years earlier in WWF especially during the steroid trial when they needed some good workers who might not have needed crappy gimmicks. I think Barry Windham was always out of place in WWF. Even as a kid watching VHS tapes in the early 1990s, I thought he didn't fit in his original tag team run. I was a huge Barry fan in WCW, though. He could come out in WCW, did a Jericho third debut in WWF spot (where Jericho just stood there like a fool with nothing to say), and I would have gone nuts enjoying it because Barry was awesome to me. But in WWF, neither he nor WWF could get him right. Flair, as mentioned, in his 1991-1992 run was another one. He did pretty awesome but some of his feuds just seemed like WWF was throwing crap on the wall and whatever stuck they would go with. A lot of randomness there. Windham did better in the NWA/WCW but the US Express are my favorite tag team ever and I really loved the Widowmaker. Pony tail, leather glove, just kicking ass. Sort of a Stone Cold precursor.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 10, 2019 20:33:57 GMT -5
Missy Hyatt always made sure that anyone could fit.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 10, 2019 20:40:43 GMT -5
Have to add RVD in his TNA run and it wasn't his fault. Winning their World title right away and getting stripped of it only to come back before the finals to crown a new champ - and never getting near the title again - was one of the best examples of Vince Russo booking buffoonery and Dixie Carter loving her shiny new toy and discarding it quickly. Deciding to act like a spoiled child and move like a slo motion replay whenever he was asked to put people over who weren't his friends was entirely on him, as was the 'rockstar' attitude which saw him dump on his co-workers in interviews for not carrying themselves like Jeff Hardy or himself. Rob decided he was above being there and performed like it, so should shoulder a portion of the blame for not fitting in. I thought he had good matches personaly but his greatest moment in TNA will always be when Sting just slaughtered him with his bat just when he debuted. Most hated it. But I loved it.
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