Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 7, 2019 13:05:56 GMT -5
Doesn't really count, honestly. Sure, the Black Album set a high standard (16X platinum; 31M worldwide), but none of the following albums followed that up. Load - 5X platinum; 8M worldwide Reload - 3-4X platinum;5-6M worldwide St. Anger - 2X platinum; ~3M worldwide Death Magnetic - 2X platinum; 3-4M worldwide Hardwired... to Self-Destruct - 1X platinum; 5M worldwide Depending on your perspective, St. Anger either continued the gradual slide the band had been experiencing (specifically sales in the US) or simply just a low point (worldwide sales increased after that album). Either way, it doesn't count. If he included that Madonna album he can also include St. Anger Even as far back as "Be Here Now", Oasis carried on being successful for a long time after that. This isn't necessarily about the first flop album, it's the one where things changed for the artist to puncture their image.
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Post by adamclark52 on Aug 7, 2019 13:07:13 GMT -5
I’d forgotten about that album. I’m not even a fan of the band but I felt let down. Me neither but I can't remember the last time a metal band put out an album so thoroughly alienating to their fan base. TEE-HEE! I just went back and listened to the first bit on YouTube. The new singers vocals sound so lifeless and forced.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 7, 2019 13:12:44 GMT -5
Soundloaded by Ricky Martin would be an intriguing one. The immediate follow-up to his self-titled album from 1999 that was his big smash crossover into America and also was the big bang for the Latin Invasion. Yet somehow it was all the other singers from that invasion (Enrique Iglesias/Marc Anthony/Jennifer Lopez/Shakira/etc.) who benefited much more in the long run than Ricky, who pretty much flamed out just as quickly as he roared into the U.S. music scene, thanks to Soundloaded. Was Soundloaded (the album with "She Bangs" on it btw) really that bad? Was "She Bangs" really that bad? I mean it is definitely worse than "Living La Vida Loca", and all the other songs on the album were very mediocre compared to the album cuts from the previous album. It still amazes me that Ricky Martin was soured upon so quickly after being on everyone's lips just 2 years before. It wasn't the only factor by any means, but even as early as then Ricky's sexual preferences were big time gossip and there was some evidence to it. Which kind of killed him in America in 1999 (some insecure guys didn't want to give off the wrong impression "listening to a guy that's, you know". And his main appeal of a Latin heartthrob for girls was dead in the water) as sad as it is.
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Post by Perd on Aug 7, 2019 13:16:43 GMT -5
It may not fit, and it’s well trodden subject matter, but what about Let It Be? The biggest band of all-time is trying to make an album/documentary while they’re imploding.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 7, 2019 13:16:44 GMT -5
Doesn't really count, honestly. Sure, the Black Album set a high standard (16X platinum; 31M worldwide), but none of the following albums followed that up. Load - 5X platinum; 8M worldwide Reload - 3-4X platinum;5-6M worldwide St. Anger - 2X platinum; ~3M worldwide Death Magnetic - 2X platinum; 3-4M worldwide Hardwired... to Self-Destruct - 1X platinum; 5M worldwide Depending on your perspective, St. Anger either continued the gradual slide the band had been experiencing (specifically sales in the US) or simply just a low point (worldwide sales increased after that album). Either way, it doesn't count. If he included that Madonna album he can also include St. Anger Hes specifically stated St Anger when talking about future episodes due to American Life.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 7, 2019 13:17:12 GMT -5
Total Devo. Easily Devo's worst album, after a four year absence and being dropped by Warner Brothers after the mediocre Shout album (which I really like but relied too heavily on a synth sound which turned people off), they were signed to Enigma and asked to produce a standard pop and dance album staying away from Devo's typical weirdness and what we got was a homogenised schlock with very little value. You sign one of the most creative bands in history and ask them to sound like everyone else. But they still sound like Devo, because it's Devo, but it's just off. There's a couple of decent songs but most are skippable, including an uninspired cover of Don't Be Cruel that they do absolutely nothing with. Devo's covers have always revolved around making the song unrecognisable to the original in style but it's just a straight cover instead. what's the point?
Bedtime For Democracy. You can tell the creativity had dried up for the Dead Kennedy's with their final album. Lead singer Jello Biafra would soon split away from the band and start his own collaboration projects and spoken word albums. Chickenshit Conformist is a great damnation of a dried-up punk scene and was almost a prediction that the Kennedy's didn't have long left. Rest of the album, nah. I'll listen to Chickenshit Conformist and maybe Shrink on their own but haven't listened to the rest of the album in years. Stick to the other albums and leave this one well alone.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 7, 2019 13:19:53 GMT -5
It may not fit, and it’s well trodden subject matter, but what about Let It Be? The biggest band of all-time is trying to make an album/documentary while they’re imploding. Think the problem with that was unlike Mardis Gras by Creedance. (Another band implosion album) Let it be was still a good album. That said he could probably get an episode out of it.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 7, 2019 14:16:04 GMT -5
Motley Crue-Generation Swine The self titled was probably more directly responsible for their fall off, but I’d really like to see this episode too.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Aug 7, 2019 14:17:14 GMT -5
I’d forgotten about that album. I’m not even a fan of the band but I felt let down. Me neither but I can't remember the last time a metal band put out an album so thoroughly alienating to their fan base. TEE-HEE! Machine Head with Catharsis or Cryptopsy with The Unspoken King.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 7, 2019 14:43:20 GMT -5
It may not fit, and it’s well trodden subject matter, but what about Let It Be? The biggest band of all-time is trying to make an album/documentary while they’re imploding. Think the problem with that was unlike Mardis Gras by Creedance. (Another band implosion album) Let it be was still a good album. That said he could probably get an episode out of it. It would be a very interesting, albeit quite long video. I'd love it, but I don't know if he would want to slog through all of the background info available. It would be a case of information overload.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 7, 2019 15:13:12 GMT -5
Me neither but I can't remember the last time a metal band put out an album so thoroughly alienating to their fan base. TEE-HEE! I just went back and listened to the first bit on YouTube. The new singers vocals sound so lifeless and forced. It's a lesson. If you're already making quasi-commercial music to begin with and you want to be even more commercial, make sure you actually have the ability to do it. Dude can't sing clean to save his life.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 7, 2019 15:16:39 GMT -5
Motley Crue-Generation Swine The self titled was probably more directly responsible for their fall off, but I’d really like to see this episode too. I'd rather see an episode about the self titled too. It's actually a good album, but it doesn't really sound like Motley Crue at all and it killed them dead. Generation Swine was just the mortician prettying up the corpse.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Aug 7, 2019 15:30:59 GMT -5
Lasers.
Lupe Fiasco is pretty much the most frustrating person in the world to be a fan of, but daammmmnnnn can the guy still write a rhyme. But everyone's convinced he's going to be some mainstream rap icon, for some reason, so he puts out a delayed, hyped, pop-monstrosity of a nightmare album with some of the worst lyrics I've ever heard from a good rapper.
Also Iron Flag? I'm not sure where the turning point was, because it's really hard to track with all the individual careers. I know 8 Diagrams had controversy, but it was talked about more as a semi-hopeful return to form. Maybe Tical 0 is a better one to point to? When exactly was the point when everyone realized, "Oh, this group is more of a big cult thing than a real mainstream MTV powerhouse?"
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Post by Bishblast on Aug 7, 2019 16:21:22 GMT -5
Duran Duran - Thank You Meat Loaf - Dead Ringer Skinny Puppy - The Process (highly unlikely and not even a bad album, but it’s one of the biggest disasters I’ve heard of) Aerosmith - Rock in a Hard Place Bob Dylan - Self Portrait (could be interesting)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 17:01:35 GMT -5
The Beginning - Black Eyed Peas. Pretty obvious. The BEP dominated the airwaves for the 2000s, and Fergie was even able to be a singles star, but 2011 killed the group dead.
The Road - Aaron Lewis of Staind. The contents of the album would make for an awkward discussion on here for its political songs but given Lewis's notoriety as a douchebag, it would be an interesting deconstruction of the person.
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Post by karl100589 on Aug 7, 2019 17:29:34 GMT -5
This Is Hardcore by Pulp.
Jarvis Cocker had started to grow resentful of the fairweather fandom that came after 1995's Different Class, and in response created a very dark album well away from their "Common People" peak.
While the album was a critical success, it ended Pulp as a mainstream entity, which was arguably Jarvis' main intention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 17:36:38 GMT -5
Avril Lavigne had success afterward (though never as much) but I'd love to see him do The Best Damn Thing. I loved her first two albums then that one happened and while it has a couple of decent songs it really killed my interest in her.
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Post by King Boo on Aug 7, 2019 17:56:48 GMT -5
St. Anger deserves another dunking. Doesn't really count, honestly. Sure, the Black Album set a high standard (16X platinum; 31M worldwide), but none of the following albums followed that up. Load - 5X platinum; 8M worldwide Reload - 3-4X platinum;5-6M worldwide St. Anger - 2X platinum; ~3M worldwide Death Magnetic - 2X platinum; 3-4M worldwide Hardwired... to Self-Destruct - 1X platinum; 5M worldwide Depending on your perspective, St. Anger either continued the gradual slide the band had been experiencing (specifically sales in the US) or simply just a low point (worldwide sales increased after that album). Either way, it doesn't count. Has the way they designate how many times platinum an album is changed? I only ask because Hardwired... sold 5M worldwide but is only 1x platinum, but the two before it sold less and are 2x platinum? It's possible I'm not entirely sure how that works in the first place haha
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 7, 2019 18:03:11 GMT -5
Did Michael Jackson ever have an album that could be considered a trainwreckord?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 18:04:35 GMT -5
Doesn't really count, honestly. Sure, the Black Album set a high standard (16X platinum; 31M worldwide), but none of the following albums followed that up. Load - 5X platinum; 8M worldwide Reload - 3-4X platinum;5-6M worldwide St. Anger - 2X platinum; ~3M worldwide Death Magnetic - 2X platinum; 3-4M worldwide Hardwired... to Self-Destruct - 1X platinum; 5M worldwide Depending on your perspective, St. Anger either continued the gradual slide the band had been experiencing (specifically sales in the US) or simply just a low point (worldwide sales increased after that album). Either way, it doesn't count. Have the way they designate how many times platinum an album is changed? I only ask because Hardwired... sold 5M worldwide but is only 1x platinum, but the two before it sold less and are 2x platinum? It's possible I'm not entirely sure how that works in the first place haha It's based on sales in a given country, not worldwide, so I guess only one country hit the threshold.
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