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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 8, 2019 0:37:25 GMT -5
he mentioned Adore on Twitter he also said that he didn't really understand why people suggested it ... he said listening to it he thought it sounded like a Smashing Pumpkins album... I was going to say Adore! I think it marked a turning point in the bands popularity and lineup. Jonathan Melvoin od'ing and Jimmy Chamberline being kicked out of the band during the MCIS tour and a more electronic sound of Adore.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 8, 2019 1:47:04 GMT -5
Invincible is the obvious candidate. Jacko's first real album for six years and outside of You Rock My World incredibly forgettable. The problem with Michael Jackson on Trainwreckords is that his fall from grace wasn't really due to a bad album, but due to his various personal controversies. Yes, Invincible or HIStory might be mostly forgettable, but that is so not the reason he wasn't the force in music that he used to be. We'll never know otherwise, but I'd say HIStory might have been one anyway. It was a huge ego trip, endless advertising, sailing giant statues of himself around the world, hyping this up as era defining. For what? Half a greatest hit's album, a couple of new singles and filler, that's before getting into stuff like the controversy over the lyrics to "They Don't Care About Us" and his deteriorating relationship with the label. All the ingredients were there for a massive letdown that might have cause people to go "oh, really?" at him as an artist for the first time. How much of that is tied into him trying to overcompensate for the scandals etc. is another matter, but I think there's a possibility of this being a mess anyway.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 8, 2019 2:04:56 GMT -5
he mentioned Adore on Twitter he also said that he didn't really understand why people suggested it ... he said listening to it he thought it sounded like a Smashing Pumpkins album... They were my favorite band at the time, and yeah, that album killed 99.9% of their momentum after Mellon Collie. And it basically boils down to two things: 1. People hated the "electronica" elements they built much of the album around. 2. The videos. The Mellon Collie videos (and previous ones) showed the Pumpkins mostly as just real people, or did whimsical things like the Tonight Tonight video. Then all of a sudden, Billy's dressed up like Pinhead and their videos become bizarre neo-goth fests. Between that and the outside personal issues, that's all she wrote. People just stopped caring almost instantly. Their next album had amazing stuff on it and no one cared.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Aug 8, 2019 5:40:43 GMT -5
does attempted solo stuff away from the band count in this?
Dee Dee Ramone and his Standing In The Spotlight rap album away from the rest of the Ramones where he goes by the name of Dee Dee King
spoiler - he can't rap
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 9:14:21 GMT -5
St. Anger deserves another dunking. Lulu makes St. Anger seem like Master Of Puppets.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 8, 2019 9:22:47 GMT -5
Would Chris Gaines count, or was that always considered just a Garth Brooks vanity project?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 8, 2019 9:37:33 GMT -5
Would Chris Gaines count, or was that always considered just a Garth Brooks vanity project? I have never followed the country charts. Did he have a fall-off in popularity after that? Even still, it was a side project doing something different. I don't know that it was worth doing, but he tried it anyways.
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Post by willywonka666 on Aug 8, 2019 10:01:27 GMT -5
The Spice Girls Forever.
If anything I look at these albums where the tide was changing or already had and the act didn't have the same feel anymore.
Geri was gone and I am a huge fan, but right off the bat I bought the album but never listened to it. I just knew
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 10:10:58 GMT -5
Would Chris Gaines count, or was that always considered just a Garth Brooks vanity project? I wouldn't say it really had any meaningful impact on him. He had another #1 album that same year and one more two years later. Also Chris Gaines didn't even flop, it went triple platinum.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Aug 8, 2019 10:11:14 GMT -5
Lasers. Lupe Fiasco is pretty much the most frustrating person in the world to be a fan of, but daammmmnnnn can the guy still write a rhyme. But everyone's convinced he's going to be some mainstream rap icon, for some reason, so he puts out a delayed, hyped, pop-monstrosity of a nightmare album with some of the worst lyrics I've ever heard from a good rapper. Also Iron Flag? I'm not sure where the turning point was, because it's really hard to track with all the individual careers. I know 8 Diagrams had controversy, but it was talked about more as a semi-hopeful return to form. Maybe Tical 0 is a better one to point to? When exactly was the point when everyone realized, "Oh, this group is more of a big cult thing than a real mainstream MTV powerhouse?" After all the hullabaloo with Lasers being shelved, the protest to get it released that album had a lot to live up to it. I remember liking it more than most people. Wu-Tang is weird as group they only have one album everyone considers great (the debut) and the first round of solo albums all range from good to great. Some people claim Forever was a disappointment despite being their best selling group disc
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Post by burdette25159 on Aug 8, 2019 11:43:34 GMT -5
KISS has two, make that three Trainwreckord worthy albums - Dynasty, KISS does disco, I was made for loving you and Sure Know Something are good tracks but this was the album in which KISS jumped the shark - Music from the Elder, a concept album from KISS - Smashes Trashes and Hits, an example of how NOT TO DO a greatest hits album
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 8, 2019 12:51:19 GMT -5
Possibly too recent, but Lady Gaga's Joanne, just didn't feel like an event like all her other albums, can't remember a single song.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Aug 8, 2019 13:46:23 GMT -5
Yes Please! by The Happy Mondays If you have seen the movie “24 Hour Party People” you know the story. But basically.. this album was such a train wreck it one of many things that caused Factory Records to go into bankruptcy. See the band at the time was headed by a recovering drug addict Shaun Ryder (fun fact: Ryder voiced Macca in GTA San Andreas) and managed to convince the label to let them record the album in Barbados. But before they got there, Ryder somehow lost all the methadone he was supposed to take with him.. and the recording of the album took way longer then expected. When the Monday’s returned to Manchester, Shaun held the master tapes hostage and threatened to destroy them unless he got some money.. the record label caved into his demands and payed him a staggering 50 pounds for the tapes. And when Factory finally listened to the recordings they discovered there wasn’t any vocals. Ryder did not write or record any. They were added later. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Please!
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 8, 2019 14:55:07 GMT -5
Queen-Hot Space. You could argue this one, but Queen were never that big in the states after this album until Freddie's death in 1991.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 8, 2019 16:18:55 GMT -5
Queen-Hot Space. You could argue this one, but Queen were never that big in the states after this album until Freddie's death in 1991. Yeah, they had a couple of songs that would be considered minor hits (including "Body Language" off of Hot Space, which reached #11 in the US), but they were never huge in the US again. Fortunately for me, I lived in an area where I guess the owner of the local station still liked Queen so I still heard a number of their newer songs growing up, but most of us missed that. I still don't know how "Under Pressure" wound up being a big hit on the classic rock stations during that time since it barely made a blip on the charts when it came out.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Aug 8, 2019 18:46:54 GMT -5
I would give Chinese Democracy a go. But there is sooo much info out there for it. And even more now that in a storage locker someone found 22 discs of unreleased GnR material from the Chinese Democracy recording sessions where out of 275 songs across the discs..only 15 songs have vocals.
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Post by adamclark52 on Aug 8, 2019 20:55:20 GMT -5
KISS has two, make that three Trainwreckord worthy albums - Dynasty, KISS does disco, I was made for loving you and Sure Know Something are good tracks but this was the album in which KISS jumped the shark - Music from the Elder, a concept album from KISS - Smashes Trashes and Hits, an example of how NOT TO DO a greatest hits album I gotta ask what was wrong with Smashes, Trashes and Hits? I’m not a KISS fan but looking at the track list it looks like all the stuff you’d want. Maybe a song or two missing. What threw me was “remix” beside a lot of the titles. But when I see “remix” I think of something crazy on a Nine Inch Nails EP.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 8, 2019 20:56:09 GMT -5
I would give Chinese Democracy a go. But there is sooo much info out there for it. And even more now that in a storage locker someone found 22 discs of unreleased GnR material from the Chinese Democracy recording sessions where out of 275 songs across the discs..only 15 songs have vocals. I'm not even sure you could call Chinese Democracy the Trainwreckord album for GNR... since well... the members of the band people associate with Guns and Roses were long gone by the time of it's release...
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Post by burdette25159 on Aug 9, 2019 0:23:20 GMT -5
KISS has two, make that three Trainwreckord worthy albums - Dynasty, KISS does disco, I was made for loving you and Sure Know Something are good tracks but this was the album in which KISS jumped the shark - Music from the Elder, a concept album from KISS - Smashes Trashes and Hits, an example of how NOT TO DO a greatest hits album I gotta ask what was wrong with Smashes, Trashes and Hits? I’m not a KISS fan but looking at the track list it looks like all the stuff you’d want. Maybe a song or two missing. What threw me was “remix” beside a lot of the titles. But when I see “remix” I think of something crazy on a Nine Inch Nails EP. Smashes Thrashes and Hits altered in one way or another the Makeup era tracks featured and Beth has Eric Carr's vocals instead of Peter Criss', furthermore, it had 2 new tracks in the form of Let's put the X in Sex and (You Make me) Rock Hard, to top it all off, the video for one of the songs (YMMRH) had Gene Simmons mouthing the WRONG lyrics! I'd rather listen to the other KISS greatest hits albums then this
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Post by adamclark52 on Aug 9, 2019 0:34:51 GMT -5
I gotta ask what was wrong with Smashes, Trashes and Hits? I’m not a KISS fan but looking at the track list it looks like all the stuff you’d want. Maybe a song or two missing. What threw me was “remix” beside a lot of the titles. But when I see “remix” I think of something crazy on a Nine Inch Nails EP. Smashes Thrashes and Hits altered in one way or another the Makeup era tracks featured and Beth has Eric Carr's vocals instead of Peter Criss', furthermore, it had 2 new tracks in the form of Let's put the X in Sex and (You Make me) Rock Hard, to top it all off, the video for one of the songs (YMMRH) had Gene Simmons mouthing the WRONG lyrics! I'd rather listen to the other KISS greatest hits albums then this yikes, that's what they meant by "remix"?
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