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Post by karl100589 on Aug 7, 2019 18:07:22 GMT -5
Did Michael Jackson ever have an album that could be considered a trainwreckord? Invincible is the obvious candidate. Jacko's first real album for six years and outside of You Rock My World incredibly forgettable.
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Post by King Boo on Aug 7, 2019 18:35:10 GMT -5
Have the way they designate how many times platinum an album is changed? I only ask because Hardwired... sold 5M worldwide but is only 1x platinum, but the two before it sold less and are 2x platinum? It's possible I'm not entirely sure how that works in the first place haha It's based on sales in a given country, not worldwide, so I guess only one country hit the threshold. Ah see now that you say that, it makes so much sense. Dodo moment for me haha
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 18:37:59 GMT -5
Just wanted to add that St. Anger was critically panned on a whole other level than Load and Reload. The latter albums were criticized as milquetoast, commercial hard rock albums where Metallica completed the transformation to becoming just Lica. St Anger though? That was an aggressively disastrous failure that missed the mark in every way and appealed to no one. The old fans hated it, the Nu-Metal fans they were aiming for hated it, and the middle aged dads who liked everything after the Black album hated it. There was a collective "what the f*** are they doing?!" from everybody who enjoyed any of their previous works.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Aug 7, 2019 19:48:14 GMT -5
I have no idea what albums Todd has covered for this outside of a few but if he hasn't taken on Robin Thicke's Paula yet, it's long overdue.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 7, 2019 20:06:55 GMT -5
Just wanted to add that St. Anger was critically panned on a whole other level than Load and Reload. The latter albums were criticized as milquetoast, commercial hard rock albums where Metallica completed the transformation to becoming just Lica. St Anger though? That was an aggressively disastrous failure that missed the mark in every way and appealed to no one. The old fans hated it, the Nu-Metal fans they were aiming for hated it, and the middle aged dads who liked everything after the Black album hated it. There was a collective "what the f*** are they doing?!" from everybody who enjoyed any of their previous works. Yeah, St. Anger was just a f***ing mess that nobody liked. It was a perfect storm of badness that tainted Metallica forever even if the slide had already started at Load.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 20:16:06 GMT -5
Just wanted to add that St. Anger was critically panned on a whole other level than Load and Reload. The latter albums were criticized as milquetoast, commercial hard rock albums where Metallica completed the transformation to becoming just Lica. St Anger though? That was an aggressively disastrous failure that missed the mark in every way and appealed to no one. The old fans hated it, the Nu-Metal fans they were aiming for hated it, and the middle aged dads who liked everything after the Black album hated it. There was a collective "what the f*** are they doing?!" from everybody who enjoyed any of their previous works. Yeah, St. Anger was just a f***ing mess that nobody liked. It was a perfect storm of badness that tainted Metallica forever even if the slide had already started at Load. I mean, even Load and Reload had folks who praised Metallica for continuing to "mature" their sound (mostly the kind of people who feel that Metal in general is inherently immature), but St. Anger unified the masses in disgust, haha.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Aug 7, 2019 20:28:24 GMT -5
What Prince album would be consider his Tainwreckords album? The symbol album, The Black Album, Lovesexy?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 7, 2019 20:29:02 GMT -5
Yeah, St. Anger was just a f***ing mess that nobody liked. It was a perfect storm of badness that tainted Metallica forever even if the slide had already started at Load. I mean, even Load and Reload had folks who praised Metallica for continuing to "mature" their sound (mostly the kind of people who feel that Metal in general is inherently immature), but St. Anger unified the masses in disgust, haha. yeah... load and such you could argue is just different musical tastes... but... like St. Anger even SOUNDS bad... the mixing on it is awful and it makes it sound like Lars is beating a trash can for most of it.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Aug 7, 2019 20:40:28 GMT -5
Yeah, St. Anger was just a f***ing mess that nobody liked. It was a perfect storm of badness that tainted Metallica forever even if the slide had already started at Load. I mean, even Load and Reload had folks who praised Metallica for continuing to "mature" their sound (mostly the kind of people who feel that Metal in general is inherently immature), but St. Anger unified the masses in disgust, haha. I remain one of the few who genuinely likes St. Anger. It's not on the level of the Black Album or Ride The Lightning or their last two albums, but you can feel just how cathartic the recording was for them. To me, it feels more real than Load and ReLoad were. That and "Frantic," "Some Kind Of Monster," and the title track and Summerslam 2003 theme song are kickass tracks. Another bad album that comes to mind now that I think about it is Illud Divinum Insanus by Morbid Angel. Maybe they've recovered a bit with Steve Tucker back but Illud hurt Morbid Angel's reputation far worse than the three albums post- Domination ever could. Unpleasant story: I bought two grab bags from Season of Mist a year or so ago. I have two copies of Illud as a result and the only way I can get rid of them is to try to donate them to my local library and the library did nothing to deserve that.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 7, 2019 20:42:16 GMT -5
Did Michael Jackson ever have an album that could be considered a trainwreckord? Invincible is the obvious candidate. Jacko's first real album for six years and outside of You Rock My World incredibly forgettable. The problem with Michael Jackson on Trainwreckords is that his fall from grace wasn't really due to a bad album, but due to his various personal controversies. Yes, Invincible or HIStory might be mostly forgettable, but that is so not the reason he wasn't the force in music that he used to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 20:45:27 GMT -5
I mean, even Load and Reload had folks who praised Metallica for continuing to "mature" their sound (mostly the kind of people who feel that Metal in general is inherently immature), but St. Anger unified the masses in disgust, haha. I remain one of the few who genuinely likes St. Anger. It's not on the level of the Black Album or Ride The Lightning or their last two albums, but you can feel just how cathartic the recording was for them. To me, it feels more real than Load and ReLoad were. That and "Frantic," "Some Kind Of Monster," and the title track and Summerslam 2003 theme song are kickass tracks. Another bad album that comes to mind now that I think about it is Illud Divinum Insanus by Morbid Angel. Maybe they've recovered a bit with Steve Tucker back but Illud hurt Morbid Angel's reputation far worse than the three albums post- Domination ever could. Unpleasant story: I bought two grab bags from Season of Mist a year or so ago. I have two copies of Illud as a result and the only way I can get rid of them is to try to donate them to my local library and the library did nothing to deserve that. I'm glad you enjoy it. But you must admit, the backlash was something else. Heh. I never got to that album in MA's discography. In fact, I almost exclusively listen to Altars of Madness if I'm jamminging them. I love everything about that album.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 7, 2019 20:46:34 GMT -5
he mentioned Adore on Twitter he also said that he didn't really understand why people suggested it
... he said listening to it he thought it sounded like a Smashing Pumpkins album...
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 7, 2019 20:53:56 GMT -5
I have no idea what albums Todd has covered for this outside of a few but if he hasn't taken on Robin Thicke's Paula yet, it's long overdue. I think he actually said in one of his videos that he actually liked that album (forget which one it was though). As for the albums he's covered, so far it's been: Jewel: 0304 Styx: Kilroy Was Here Hammer: The Funky Headhunter Van Halen: 3 Billy Idol: Cyberpunk Creedence Clearwater Revival: Mardi Gras Lauren Hill: MTV Unplugged Madonna: American Life
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Post by adamclark52 on Aug 7, 2019 20:54:09 GMT -5
I guess this guy doesn’t delve too deep into heavy metal but Morbid Angels ‘Illud Divinum Insanus’ is a good candidate.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Aug 7, 2019 20:58:05 GMT -5
I remain one of the few who genuinely likes St. Anger. It's not on the level of the Black Album or Ride The Lightning or their last two albums, but you can feel just how cathartic the recording was for them. To me, it feels more real than Load and ReLoad were. That and "Frantic," "Some Kind Of Monster," and the title track and Summerslam 2003 theme song are kickass tracks. Another bad album that comes to mind now that I think about it is Illud Divinum Insanus by Morbid Angel. Maybe they've recovered a bit with Steve Tucker back but Illud hurt Morbid Angel's reputation far worse than the three albums post- Domination ever could. Unpleasant story: I bought two grab bags from Season of Mist a year or so ago. I have two copies of Illud as a result and the only way I can get rid of them is to try to donate them to my local library and the library did nothing to deserve that. I'm glad you enjoy it. But you must admit, the backlash was something else. Heh. I never got to that album in MA's discography. In fact, I almost exclusively listen to Altars of Madness if I'm jamminging them. I love everything about that album. I mean, when you have only a handful of people that like St. Anger out of millions of fans that says plenty. It also says something when Metallica then switches gears and does stuff that sounds more like classic thrash than their 90s material. Although Death Magnetic, while a good album, is pure ass when it comes to production. Woof. And as far as MA goes, Illud really is the only album I don't like. From top to bottom I'd go like this: 1. Altars Of Madness (which I have on FDR vinyl) 2. Covenant 3. Blessed Are The Sick 4. Domination 5. Heretic (!) 6. Formulas Fatal To The Flesh 7. Gateways To Annihilation 8. Kingdoms Disdained MINUS! FIVE! STARS!: Illud
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Post by adamclark52 on Aug 7, 2019 21:06:07 GMT -5
I’ve always been partial to Formulas Fatal to the Flesh. It was the first one I ever got. Covenant and Blessed are the Sick are awesome. Alters of Madness has moments but I don’t like it much. After that it’s a bunch of whatever. Domination did nothing for me (to the point where I had to edit this post to include it, I literally forgot it existed), Gateways to Annihilation bores me, Heretic just had such a terrible sound to it, Illiud did have a couple songs I liked (the gabber songs at the beginning and end are so bad they’re good) and the new one just bored the living hell out of me (the most entertaining thing about that one I thought was Treys THREE PAGES of “thank you s” in the booklet. I’m sure if I actually read all that I’m in there).
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Aug 7, 2019 21:58:39 GMT -5
I have no idea what albums Todd has covered for this outside of a few but if he hasn't taken on Robin Thicke's Paula yet, it's long overdue. This series doesn’t have many episodes so far. Unless Todd is posting them somewhere else or I’m not navigating YouTube well enough to find them. But as far as I know there are only like 5 episodes so far. Great concept though
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 7, 2019 22:01:37 GMT -5
I have no idea what albums Todd has covered for this outside of a few but if he hasn't taken on Robin Thicke's Paula yet, it's long overdue. This series doesn’t have many episodes so far. Unless Todd is posting them somewhere else or I’m not navigating YouTube well enough to find them. But as far as I know there are only like 5 episodes so far. Great concept though there are 8
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Aug 7, 2019 22:04:23 GMT -5
This series doesn’t have many episodes so far. Unless Todd is posting them somewhere else or I’m not navigating YouTube well enough to find them. But as far as I know there are only like 5 episodes so far. Great concept though there are 8 Yeah, didn’t want to go through the bother of actually counting them, but I knew it wasn’t many.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 7, 2019 23:15:40 GMT -5
I mean, even Load and Reload had folks who praised Metallica for continuing to "mature" their sound (mostly the kind of people who feel that Metal in general is inherently immature), but St. Anger unified the masses in disgust, haha. yeah... load and such you could argue is just different musical tastes... but... like St. Anger even SOUNDS bad... the mixing on it is awful and it makes it sound like Lars is beating a trash can for most of it. From my understanding, a serious contributor to the album sounding generally incomplete was that it was largely recorded after Jason left but before Robert started contributing. This meant that they recorded without someone who had a good understanding of how to fill out a song with a bass riff and it showed.
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