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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 21, 2019 15:38:25 GMT -5
Michelle MJ is awesome.
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Post by mattperiolat on Aug 21, 2019 15:51:35 GMT -5
I didn’t ‘get’ love interest vibe in Homecoming, just a There character. But FFH really improved her while keeping her true. Probably my third favorite MCU love interest behind Peggy and Gamora. Thanks, Sony. 😡
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 21, 2019 15:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2019 16:12:54 GMT -5
The online outrage against Sony is so off base. They're not the ones who did anything wrong. They bought the rights to the entire Spider-Man movie series in the late 90s and that's because Marvel put it all up for sale. Now when Marvel's popping and because people like the MCU they should honor a bad business deal when they don't have to? Now they should be attacked because they even tried to compromise and Disney were the ones who backed out of it? People are putting too much of their own feelings into this when they're making these comments. It doesn't matter how much you like the MCU, Sony has had these films for decades because it's theirs now. It's like people don't understand how deals work and they think how they feel goes above standard transactions. That's like me buying a car that belonged to someone's grandfather and now I'm the bad guy just because I'm not giving the car over even though they tried to lowball me in a deal and even though they were the ones who didn't wanna compromise. Honestly, I don't give a f*** lol They need to work this shit out. Sony has the rights and been able to ride comfortably but it seems Disney is willing to take more risk with Spider-Man and willing to put their money where their mouth is which is why they are asking for more Sony and Disney are going to have their own agenda and same with people who want to see Disney burn because corporations are bad or some shit. Get in a room and get it together which I think they will do
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Post by Tenshigure on Aug 21, 2019 16:14:53 GMT -5
'Naruto-run-in' is 2019's 'Snickers Call', it seems...
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Post by James Fabiano on Aug 21, 2019 16:22:01 GMT -5
...for me to poop on. But really if she's beyond the annoying snarker from HC, maybe I'll change my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 16:28:04 GMT -5
I haven't seen Far From Home but at least in Homecoming I thought Michelle was one of the less bland parts of a super bland cast, though I think trying to Dark Knight Rises Robin her instead of this just being an outright new character or just being called Mary Jane is dumb.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 21, 2019 16:33:44 GMT -5
...for me to poop on. But really if she's beyond the annoying snarker from HC, maybe I'll change my mind. She's a damned delight in Far From Home.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2019 16:37:29 GMT -5
I haven't seen Far From Home but at least in Homecoming I thought Michelle was one of the less bland parts of a super bland cast, though I think trying to Dark Knight Rises Robin her instead of this just being an outright new character or just being called Mary Jane is dumb. That still annoys me because if you're going to go that route, you could have made something out of it Hell, even though Affleck turned out to be a good Batman, I still think they should have used the Nolanverse as a structure to bring Batman Bale out of retirement
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 21, 2019 16:40:30 GMT -5
I’m bloody amazed no one beat me to it. Your slipping gang. Now make one that has it reverse.
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 21, 2019 16:50:40 GMT -5
They could go full terrible idea and adapt Spider-Man Reign. There's a story for the big screen, Pete accidentally kills MJ with cancer semen. Or worse, we actually DO get an Aunt May spinoff, in the form of a film version of "Trouble".
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 21, 2019 16:52:41 GMT -5
That would salvage Hot Aunt May.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2019 16:53:59 GMT -5
I’m bloody amazed no one beat me to it. Your slipping gang. Now make one that has it reverse.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 21, 2019 17:12:37 GMT -5
So...are we saying that Sony should have accepted a worse deal for them just because we like having Spider-Man in the MCU? Because that's what I'm basically reading here. Unless I'm missing something, that's how I'm reading it. I think that Sony will be looked at as the bad guys who took away Spider-Man, despite not really doing anything wrong. The reason that Sony is getting all of this heat is because of how they've handled Spider Man in the past. Yeah, if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have gotten the first Spider-Man, but this whole shitty deal is because of Marvel's weird handling of it's properties in the past, when they were near bankrupcy and didn't have a central studio to make it's movies. They threw Iron Man to Paramount, Hulk to Universal, X-Men and F4 to Fox, and Spidey to Sony. When the time came for the rights to revert back to Marvel, Sony decided to fast track The Amazing Spider-Man since they couldn't come to a deal to make a 4th Spider-Man movie under Sam Raimi, only 5 years after Spider-Man 3 was in theaters. A reboot of a movie that had been less than a decade after the last movie seemed ludicrous, and the final result, while better than expected, still seemed like a incomplete affair (the less said about ASM2, the better). A lot of fans saw this as a fairly desperate move, especially as this was happening as the Marvel movies were gaining traction. And then, when the deal came to add Spidey to the MCU, Sony had to scrap it's plans to do a third ASM introducing the Sinister Six and instead came up with a harebrained scheme to make movies in the Spidey-Verse but without Spider-Man as a tangential thread. This sounded like a ridiculous plan to try to pull off, and while Venom did better than expected, it was still not a very good movie. People mostly liked it because of how dumb it was. Like I said before, with the exception of Into The Spider-Verse, the treatment of Spidey since Spider-Man 2 has been shoddy at best, which sucks to see. This latest move potentially puts a stake into a very fun new take on Peter, and could excise him for good from the MCU. I get that this is a money issue, and that Disney may be asking for too much from Sony to keep this deal going. But again, Sony is carrying itself around like it OWNS THE F****** CHARACTER! It really makes me wonder, if FFH hadn't done so good in theaters, whether Sony would have been willing to walk away from the table like this. That's what's rankling so many people right now. People love the MCU take on Peter, and seeing the character potentially cut off because Sony seems to think that they can do what Marvel's doing, and take even more money from it...it's a fool's gamble right now, especially if they decide to reboot the character again. Hell, the fact that Sony took steps to ourright buy Insomniac, the Spider Man game makers, seems suspicious to me now in hindsight. I know people want to demonize Disney in all this, I get that there's a narrative that Disney is in the business to bully and buy the properties they want to make themselves even bigger, but I don't see why making this a 50/50 split is that big of a deal. Disney was wanting a 50% split on the production of the movie cost as well as the profit. That's fair to me. Disney was getting just 5% of the first day's ticket sales, and Sony pockets the rest along with footing the cost. A big deal would have been them reversing the numbers, declaring that they were looking to take the lion's share of the production and profit. Then Sony would have had legs to stand on. But Sony feels like they can make a billion on their own, and this feels like them holding the character over Disney's head to prove that they've got big boy pants on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 17:29:36 GMT -5
The online outrage against Sony is so off base. They're not the ones who did anything wrong. They bought the rights to the entire Spider-Man movie series in the late 90s and that's because Marvel put it all up for sale. Now when Marvel's popping and because people like the MCU they should honor a bad business deal when they don't have to? Now they should be attacked because they even tried to compromise and Disney were the ones who backed out of it? People are putting too much of their own feelings into this when they're making these comments. It doesn't matter how much you like the MCU, Sony has had these films for decades because it's theirs now. It's like people don't understand how deals work and they think how they feel goes above standard transactions. That's like me buying a car that belonged to someone's grandfather and now I'm the bad guy just because I'm not giving the car over even though they tried to lowball me in a deal and even though they were the ones who didn't wanna compromise. Honestly, I don't give a f*** lol They need to work this shit out. Sony has the rights and been able to ride comfortably but it seems Disney is willing to take more risk with Spider-Man and willing to put their money where their mouth is which is why they are asking for more Sony and Disney are going to have their own agenda and same with people who want to see Disney burn because corporations are bad or some shit. Get in a room and get it together which I think they will do They do need to solve it but judging from what reports are saying Disney keeps backing out. It's not really about Sony or Disney's public outlook but more about how business works. Rather than wanting to get a better deal that fits both parties and to make Spider-Man part of the MCU Disney's just acting wild out of pocket here. I wouldn't be surprised to see this solved in less than a month but the details of this will be interesting. Right now Disney just looks mad greedy just because people like their movies when Marvel are the ones who sold the movie rights in general. They gotta take that on the chin and do what's right. The reason that Sony is getting all of this heat is because of how they've handled Spider Man in the past. Yeah, if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have gotten the first Spider-Man, but this whole shitty deal is because of Marvel's weird handling of it's properties in the past, when they were near bankrupcy and didn't have a central studio to make it's movies. They threw Iron Man to Paramount, Hulk to Universal, X-Men and F4 to Fox, and Spidey to Sony. When the time came for the rights to revert back to Marvel, Sony decided to fast track The Amazing Spider-Man since they couldn't come to a deal to make a 4th Spider-Man movie under Sam Raimi, only 5 years after Spider-Man 3 was in theaters. A reboot of a movie that had been less than a decade after the last movie seemed ludicrous, and the final result, while better than expected, still seemed like a incomplete affair (the less said about ASM2, the better). A lot of fans saw this as a fairly desperate move, especially as this was happening as the Marvel movies were gaining traction. And then, when the deal came to add Spidey to the MCU, Sony had to scrap it's plans to do a third ASM introducing the Sinister Six and instead came up with a harebrained scheme to make movies in the Spidey-Verse but without Spider-Man as a tangential thread. This sounded like a ridiculous plan to try to pull off, and while Venom did better than expected, it was still not a very good movie. People mostly liked it because of how dumb it was. Like I said before, with the exception of Into The Spider-Verse, the treatment of Spidey since Spider-Man 2 has been shoddy at best, which sucks to see. This latest move potentially puts a stake into a very fun new take on Peter, and could excise him for good from the MCU. I get that this is a money issue, and that Disney may be asking for too much from Sony to keep this deal going. But again, Sony is carrying itself around like it OWNS THE F****** CHARACTER! It really makes me wonder, if FFH hadn't done so good in theaters, whether Sony would have been willing to walk away from the table like this. That's what's rankling so many people right now. People love the MCU take on Peter, and seeing the character potentially cut off because Sony seems to think that they can do what Marvel's doing, and take even more money from it...it's a fool's gamble right now, especially if they decide to reboot the character again. Hell, the fact that Sony took steps to ourright buy Insomniac, the Spider Man game makers, seems suspicious to me now in hindsight. I know people want to demonize Disney in all this, I get that there's a narrative that Disney is in the business to bully and buy the properties they want to make themselves even bigger, but I don't see why making this a 50/50 split is that big of a deal. Disney was wanting a 50% split on the production of the movie cost as well as the profit. That's fair to me. Disney was getting just 5% of the first day's ticket sales, and Sony pockets the rest along with footing the cost. A big deal would have been them reversing the numbers, declaring that they were looking to take the lion's share of the production and profit. Then Sony would have had legs to stand on. But Sony feels like they can make a billion on their own, and this feels like them holding the character over Disney's head to prove that they've got big boy pants on. That's not important in business deals. However people feel about Sony's films doesn't matter when it comes to these companies so the fans bringing up the "hey they messed it up" are acting selfish in those rights. Like stated, how they feel doesn't matter because they're not the ones in the board room. The biggest part about this is you saying that Sony's acting like they own the character when again this is business. It doesn't matter who created the character, it doesn't matter who held it for longer, what matters is what those papers say and right now Sony owns those rights. Sony shouldn't say "hey you created it, lemme screw this deal over because you did that" when this is a business. That's not how any business goes.
This doesn't even feel like people trying to demonize Disney as there's waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy more backlash to Sony, this feels like people are putting too much emphasis on how they feel about the films and who created it rather than honoring business deals. Business ethics do matter, they're no joke. That 50% is a big thing here and it might not seem bad to you but that's not how any business goes let alone how they acted bringing that up? Let alone the fact that Sony even tried to compromise and Disney backed out? Like, who's fault is it really is Disney is the one backing out not wanting to fix it and trying to lowball these people who actually own the rights.
Life doesn't work like that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 21, 2019 17:37:42 GMT -5
Heh, I still don't care one iota about the business end of things. It's correct, just doesn't matter to me. Disney could give them ONE dollar and I'd be totally fine with it.
Don't get me wrong, no anger here, I just like him in the MCU. So if they lose out financially? Eh f*** em. Hahaha.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 21, 2019 17:39:48 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't give a f*** lol They need to work this shit out. Sony has the rights and been able to ride comfortably but it seems Disney is willing to take more risk with Spider-Man and willing to put their money where their mouth is which is why they are asking for more Sony and Disney are going to have their own agenda and same with people who want to see Disney burn because corporations are bad or some shit. Get in a room and get it together which I think they will do They do need to solve it but judging from what reports are saying Disney keeps backing out. It's not really about Sony or Disney's public outlook but more about how business works. Rather than wanting to get a better deal that fits both parties and to make Spider-Man part of the MCU Disney's just acting wild out of pocket here. I wouldn't be surprised to see this solved in less than a month but the details of this will be interesting. Right now Disney just looks mad greedy just because people like their movies when Marvel are the ones who sold the movie rights in general. They gotta take that on the chin and do what's right. Disney is out of pocket with what they want but I also don't blame them. They laid down in previous negotiations based upon what we know so they can get the character but now they in a position to be more greedy and not give in. Meanwhile, on Sony side they don't have to take that shit because they own the character. Their is no real fault on either side. Disney can come at their head because they have a little leverage with the public and how they have handled the character. As said, they aren't just going in their saying 50% without putting up their own risk. They are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Now if I was Sony would I give in to 50% even if Disney is taking half the risk too, no. I think this is more a tactic to aim high and go lower because as of right now they have time to to do negotiations but both of them are in their feelings.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 21, 2019 18:03:39 GMT -5
They could go full terrible idea and adapt Spider-Man Reign. There's a story for the big screen, Pete accidentally kills MJ with cancer semen. Was this a Brazzers idea?
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Post by salz4life on Aug 21, 2019 18:08:11 GMT -5
I get that this is a money issue, and that Disney may be asking for too much from Sony to keep this deal going. But again, Sony is carrying itself around like it OWNS THE F****** CHARACTER! It really makes me wonder, if FFH hadn't done so good in theaters, whether Sony would have been willing to walk away from the table like this. That's what's rankling so many people right now. People love the MCU take on Peter, and seeing the character potentially cut off because Sony seems to think that they can do what Marvel's doing, and take even more money from it...it's a fool's gamble right now, especially if they decide to reboot the character again. Hell, the fact that Sony took steps to ourright buy Insomniac, the Spider Man game makers, seems suspicious to me now in hindsight. I think the "What if" is in respect to Venom. Had Venom bombed, I don't think Sony would be doing this. Venom being a financial success makes them now want a Venom movie with Spider Man (or vice-versa). That's just what I was thinking.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 21, 2019 18:10:04 GMT -5
Overall, I get both sides. I'm still really pissed that we may not see Spider Man in the MCU going forward because I REALLY felt like he fit perfectly. However, if we never hear the term "Peter Tingle" again..... well, maybe there is a positive in this. (** ducks for cover **)
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