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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 2, 2019 19:02:30 GMT -5
With Tana winning the Revpro title and Phantasmo throwing out the challenge to Liger, I could see a Tana/Suzuki match for the Revpro title at WK. Beating Tana for the IC title almost 2 years seems like the last important thing they had Suzuki do
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Post by Convoy on Sept 13, 2019 23:40:31 GMT -5
Found a stat that I had to go and double-check.
Since Nakamura vacated the IWGP Intercontinental Championship at the very beginning of 2016, there's been 24 decision/defenses for the belt (Naito/White will be #25). Not a single match has involved a member of CHAOS.
If they do go with the two-night tournament that leads to Okada challenging for the IC title, he would be the first member of CHAOS to do so in four years.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 13, 2019 23:44:26 GMT -5
Sometimes I forget Okada is even in CHAOS, much less the leader.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 14, 2019 1:39:17 GMT -5
Sometimes I forget Okada is even in CHAOS, much less the leader. I mostly remember because it's the only reason YOSHI-HASHI wouldn't probably just get fired from the group, given what an embarrassment the others treat him as much of the time.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 14, 2019 1:46:51 GMT -5
Sometimes I forget Okada is even in CHAOS, much less the leader. CHAOS and Bullet Club both need a full reset
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 14, 2019 1:54:04 GMT -5
It really is nuts that Goto hasn't challenged for the IC title again in so long, or possibly Ishii. Sometimes I forget Okada is even in CHAOS, much less the leader. CHAOS and Bullet Club both need a full reset Having Robbie Eagles join CHAOS and KENTA join the Bullet Club do at least help some, but they both need more work than that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 14, 2019 9:24:36 GMT -5
It really is nuts that Goto hasn't challenged for the IC title again in so long, or possibly Ishii. CHAOS and Bullet Club both need a full reset Having Robbie Eagles join CHAOS and KENTA join the Bullet Club do at least help some, but they both need more work than that. Goto should have been fighting for the IC title once he got done with the NEVER title And I do like those additions, I think more they just need a change from the status quo. Bullet Club should have been killed and they let Jay White create his own group from scratch instead of being made leader of that. Meanwhile, CHAOS is just there. I've been wanting an Ishii/Goto turn and tag run for a while. The story has been there for Yoshi-Hashi to leave Okada and go under Jay White and Gedo but they never did it
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 14, 2019 14:51:51 GMT -5
It really is nuts that Goto hasn't challenged for the IC title again in so long, or possibly Ishii. Having Robbie Eagles join CHAOS and KENTA join the Bullet Club do at least help some, but they both need more work than that. Goto should have been fighting for the IC title once he got done with the NEVER title And I do like those additions, I think more they just need a change from the status quo. Bullet Club should have been killed and they let Jay White create his own group from scratch instead of being made leader of that. Meanwhile, CHAOS is just there. I've been wanting an Ishii/Goto turn and tag run for a while. The story has been there for Yoshi-Hashi to leave Okada and go under Jay White and Gedo but they never did it I get Bullet Club is too important to kill, both because they sell a bunch of merch and because they're true heels, whereas Suzki-Gun is getting too popular with fans to be wholly heelish anymore, but yeah, they need more work. Jay really could stand to have more of a power base. Gedo and Jado, by extension, are the only members with any loyalty to him. He really could use someone that's *his* guy. They also could use another heavyweight, anyway, due to Bad Luck Fale being a trainer now and so busted up. Guess wrestling at his size, plus his rugby days, must've taken their toll, because his G1 performance was terrible. As for the tag idea, NJPW badly needs more heavyweight tag teams, since GoD and SANADA/EVIL have faced each other too many times and both done most anything with the belts at this point. Some combination of Goto, Ishii, YOSHI-HASHI, and Yano would at least be something, preferably with one of the first two names so as to have more credibility.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 14:58:29 GMT -5
Honestly night one of this show feels... basically completely inconsequential to me in the event that they actually do the whole Intercontinental title thing. I realize the G1 pretty never leads to a title change anyway (which in its own right makes it feel like a waste of time to me) but I feel like going, "Yeah, but winner immediately defends the belt," with it just gives the whole thing an extra useless vibe.
I mean, granted, if you're going to pay for one night you might as well watch them both and the show's still months off with nothing official for it yet but I dunno, the idea on paper just makes January 4th sound like filler.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 14, 2019 15:22:06 GMT -5
Honestly night one of this show feels... basically completely inconsequential to me in the event that they actually do the whole Intercontinental title thing. I realize the G1 pretty never leads to a title change anyway (which in its own right makes it feel like a waste of time to me) but I feel like going, "Yeah, but winner immediately defends the belt," with it just gives the whole thing an extra useless vibe. I mean, granted, if you're going to pay for one night you might as well watch them both and the show's still months off with nothing official for it yet but I dunno, the idea on paper just makes January 4th sound like filler. They did finally have a G1 winner actually get the belt last time, Tanahashi defeated Omega for the belt.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 14, 2019 16:03:50 GMT -5
Goto should have been fighting for the IC title once he got done with the NEVER title And I do like those additions, I think more they just need a change from the status quo. Bullet Club should have been killed and they let Jay White create his own group from scratch instead of being made leader of that. Meanwhile, CHAOS is just there. I've been wanting an Ishii/Goto turn and tag run for a while. The story has been there for Yoshi-Hashi to leave Okada and go under Jay White and Gedo but they never did it I get Bullet Club is too important to kill, both because they sell a bunch of merch and because they're true heels, whereas Suzki-Gun is getting too popular with fans to be wholly heelish anymore, but yeah, they need more work. Jay really could stand to have more of a power base. Gedo and Jado, by extension, are the only members with any loyalty to him. He really could use someone that's *his* guy. They also could use another heavyweight, anyway, due to Bad Luck Fale being a trainer now and so busted up. Guess wrestling at his size, plus his rugby days, must've taken their toll, because his G1 performance was terrible. As for the tag idea, NJPW badly needs more heavyweight tag teams, since GoD and SANADA/EVIL have faced each other too many times and both done most anything with the belts at this point. Some combination of Goto, Ishii, YOSHI-HASHI, and Yano would at least be something, preferably with one of the first two names so as to have more credibility. Yea, i've made this complaint before about how Jay White is the leader of BC but there is no correlation. The Tonga boys aren't really all that loyal to him are basically their own thing. Nobody in the group really rallys behind Jay to make him the top guy. Gedo and Jado are his loyalist which is weird. He should be leading a group that follows his type of ideology or the very least support him in everything In regards to the HW to replace Fale, it would seem to be KENTA. He has the background to justify being the bad ass of the group as you don't really need another guy Fale size but it would help if you coud get one. Yea, NJPW needs tags teams. Suzuki/Sabre is the most obvious and if we don't get Suzuki/Liger at WK in a singles match than Suzuki/ZSJ should be going after the tag belts.They could always go back to Ishii/Yano tho I just a no nonsense tag team in Goto/Ishii.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 14, 2019 16:33:25 GMT -5
It felt like there was going to be a big faction shake-up last year that got utterly trashed by the news that The Elite were all leaving. You could see at Destruction the exact moment every plan became to just awkwardly dance around that whole deal. I don't know if the plan being shelved meant Gedo decided to just not bother, if this year has so many other moving parts and big things that the focal point should be after whatever happens at WK, but the factions need some real change-ups and that lingering looseness that we saw is hopefully a sign that's still a plan.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Sept 14, 2019 17:46:35 GMT -5
Despite my loathing if Naito has a shot of winning on 1/5I’ll try to go (Tokyo Dome is kind of a bad venue so even last minute tickets are ok lol) as a follow up to Ribboania, TJPW, YMZ and Noah’s ballsy shot at running Korakuen those two days.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 14, 2019 17:59:21 GMT -5
Despite my loathing if Naito has a shot of winning on 1/5I’ll try to go (Tokyo Dome is kind of a bad venue so even last minute tickets are ok lol) as a follow up to Ribboania, TJPW, YMZ and Noah’s ballsy shot at running Korakuen those two days. I think he is losing the IC title to White so it all depends if he can get a rematch by WK and the stipulation is still on
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Post by AwamoriRock on Sept 14, 2019 18:02:08 GMT -5
Despite my loathing if Naito has a shot of winning on 1/5I’ll try to go (Tokyo Dome is kind of a bad venue so even last minute tickets are ok lol) as a follow up to Ribboania, TJPW, YMZ and Noah’s ballsy shot at running Korakuen those two days. I think he is losing the IC title to White so it all depends if he can get a rematch by WK and the stipulation is still on So do I. They’re trying to make this the most unnecessary as possible road lol
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 14, 2019 18:16:25 GMT -5
I think he is losing the IC title to White so it all depends if he can get a rematch by WK and the stipulation is still on So do I. They’re trying to make this the most unnecessary as possible road lol At this point I’m so skeptical I think Naito losses at WK too lol and we get White vs Okada again
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 14, 2019 21:06:00 GMT -5
It felt like there was going to be a big faction shake-up last year that got utterly trashed by the news that The Elite were all leaving. You could see at Destruction the exact moment every plan became to just awkwardly dance around that whole deal. I don't know if the plan being shelved meant Gedo decided to just not bother, if this year has so many other moving parts and big things that the focal point should be after whatever happens at WK, but the factions need some real change-ups and that lingering looseness that we saw is hopefully a sign that's still a plan. Agreed, plus it felt like even more things playing a role: the initial moment early that signaled a CHAOS shakeup this year was Ishii acting so aggressive toward Nagata, plus Ospreay kayfabe KO'ing Ibushi at WK, then Goto joining the two of them at New Years Dash to look a lot more violent than usual, made it feel like they were poised to possibly turn heel. Yet not only did the Elite leave, so did KUSHIDA, which put Ospreay into the Jr Ace role and the "trying to get the Kenny Omega spot" role, etc. CHAOS can at least keep going as is because it's been eons since it's been a legitimate faction; for years now it's been more like a MMA camp than anything else, so it's not like it's a new thing that it feels kind of loose as a unit. Bullet Club pushing ELP and KENTA at least gives it a bit of a refresh, but I do agree that they could still use at least one more major player joining, and yeah, make it someone brought in explicitly by Jay White, since Tama's been the main kayfabe force behind recruiting Ishimori and KENTA, and the obvious "Fale's scaling back his role" reason.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 14, 2019 21:13:23 GMT -5
It felt like there was going to be a big faction shake-up last year that got utterly trashed by the news that The Elite were all leaving. You could see at Destruction the exact moment every plan became to just awkwardly dance around that whole deal. I don't know if the plan being shelved meant Gedo decided to just not bother, if this year has so many other moving parts and big things that the focal point should be after whatever happens at WK, but the factions need some real change-ups and that lingering looseness that we saw is hopefully a sign that's still a plan. Agreed, plus it felt like even more things playing a role: the initial moment early that signaled a CHAOS shakeup this year was Ishii acting so aggressive toward Nagata, plus Ospreay kayfabe KO'ing Ibushi at WK, then Goto joining the two of them at New Years Dash to look a lot more violent than usual, made it feel like they were poised to possibly turn heel. Yet not only did the Elite leave, so did KUSHIDA, which put Ospreay into the Jr Ace role and the "trying to get the Kenny Omega spot" role, etc. CHAOS can at least keep going as is because it's been eons since it's been a legitimate faction; for years now it's been more like a MMA camp than anything else, so it's not like it's a new thing that it feels kind of loose as a unit. Bullet Club pushing ELP and KENTA at least gives it a bit of a refresh, but I do agree that they could still use at least one more major player joining, and yeah, make it someone brought in explicitly by Jay White, since Tama's been the main kayfabe force behind recruiting Ishimori and KENTA, and the obvious "Fale's scaling back his role" reason. Yea, as said already Jay White has yet to put his stamp on BC as a leader. Now, I think he should have had his own group under his own thing but BC still sells so White is matched with them. He needs to put his stamp on this group in a way because they are, they are just a collective of dudes with the same shirt. Except Jay doesn't wear the shirt or throw up the BC sign
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Sept 14, 2019 23:03:33 GMT -5
Meltzer reported last week that the current plan is briefcase holder vs. IWGP Champ (presumably Ibushi vs. Okada) on Day 1 and then the winner vs. the IC Champion (presumably Naito) on Day 2.
What he didn’t make clear is if it would be belt vs. belt on Day 2 or just the IC Title on the line.
Also, that only really works from a storyline perspective if we’re getting Ibushi vs. Naito.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 23, 2019 17:26:16 GMT -5
With Jay White winning the IC title we seem to be inching closer to the IC vs IWGP HW champ at WK
It could go either way at this point but I think we can basically put in marker Ibushi vs Okada (obviously) and White vs Naito
Naito vs Okada Naito vs Ibushi Okada vs White Ibushi vs White
All of them got some type of recent history with so can't really call what match we will get for night 2
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