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Post by corndog on Sept 16, 2019 11:26:38 GMT -5
"Cranky, stubborn and opinionated" are how I'd classify Ole and Cornette. "Bitter" is when you feel sorry for yourself. Neither of those guys come off that way to me. Yeah, bitter and jaded go hand in hand, basically guys that feel they deserved more from the business. Al Snow really seems like that guy to me to the point that it has formulated his entire opinion on wrestling. It's why he hates the current workrate based wrestling of today, because if it was like that in his time, he feels he would have had a much better run in wrestling. Ole and Cornette just miss the old days, but they don't seem to complain about their careers in general, outside of the Georgia buyout that screwed Ole.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 16, 2019 11:35:48 GMT -5
Well, they did blame him for things he didn't book and continue to ignore that he saved the company. They were losing millions prior to his time there, flying in guys from Japan is nice, as is hiring the biggest Indy names, but they were bleeding out as audiences weren't paying to see it. If he didn't organise the Sinclair deal, they would be archive material on the WWE network now. He then had to deal with Sinclair execs learning on the job and making promises they didn't deliver, and yes while he wasn't blameless, as a booker he's 30 years behind the times, I can understand him being a little irked by ROH fans acting like he nearly killed the company. From what I got from researching(since I didn't watcha t the time). There was those things alreayd bad but that the on-screen product didn't help. That Cornette pushes people that he liked but didn't get over and he kept pushing while not pushing people fan liked,etc.Basically it was already bad but the screen product was still as bad if not worse. One person I actually expected to be bitter is Virgil but he seems fine just doing his thing. Virgil is a carny who knows he's a meme. I think he's good. That appearance at GCW this year must have been the best moment he has had in years.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 16, 2019 11:49:30 GMT -5
Bret's not bitter. He was rightfully angry about what happened to him but he's not bitter about wrestling. He likes to give his opinion and personally I always want to hear his opinions. I've met him three times and he's a gentleman who always has time for fans. Nobody who is bitter about wrestling would give so much back to it.
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Post by Aceorton on Sept 16, 2019 16:49:49 GMT -5
Cornette laughs and enjoys himself too much to be an example of bitter. Critical (even overly or unfairly critical, if you believe that's what he is) is not the same as bitter. He succeeded in wrestling and is proud of his accomplishments.
Snow, on the other hand, is just miserable to listen to. And I used to love the guy. His contempt for smarts/smarks can be staggering, and everything is "I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're stupid."
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Post by sfvega on Sept 16, 2019 18:19:03 GMT -5
Cornette maybe isn't bitter. I know what he does is schtick. But I feel like him more than probably anyone in the biz just loved the 80's and wished it never changed. And his mindset, outside of evolving (or devolving) into essentially a YT troll, is the same as it was in the 80's. The business has evolved several times since then, and I don't think he particularly appreciates that. And in many ways, I wish he was still stuck in the 80's as well.
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Post by efarns on Sept 16, 2019 19:40:53 GMT -5
Ole is probably very happy. He just has a high opinion of his intelligence paired with very poor manners. He made a lot of money and doesn't feel the need to be nice to anyone. It's the people around him who get bitter.
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Post by jking1979 on Sept 17, 2019 16:04:22 GMT -5
Vince McMahon
The guy owns the majority of pro wrestling and won the wrestling ratings war of the 90s. He still can't get over himself and give the fans what they want. The invasion storyline is proof of that. He rushed it and made sure the WWE side came out on top. That could have been one of the greatest storylines in wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 16:06:39 GMT -5
Ole is probably very happy. He just has a high opinion of his intelligence paired with very poor manners. He made a lot of money and doesn't feel the need to be nice to anyone. It's the people around him who get bitter. Also saved a lot of it by all accounts from what I heard
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Sept 17, 2019 18:33:59 GMT -5
I don’t know about bitter but Mr. Fuji was definitely salty.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 15:11:53 GMT -5
I don’t know about bitter but Mr. Fuji was definitely salty. He was always named "Worst Manager" by the Observer to the point they should have named it after him.
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Post by jking1979 on Sept 21, 2019 17:37:44 GMT -5
Vince McMahon
He won't create new superstars like Steve Austin and The Rock that are larger than life because of steroid trial in the 90s and Hulk Hogan leaving for WCW. He could have kept WCW going back when he bought it in 2001. Who cares if it was the competition? He owned the rights and could do anything he wanted to with it.
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Post by sportatorium on Sept 21, 2019 18:47:10 GMT -5
Honky Tonk Man comes to mind, but I think he’s mellowed in his later years. Tom Zenk used to be pissed at everything if I remember right.
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Post by adamclark52 on Sept 21, 2019 20:43:42 GMT -5
Manny Lemons
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 22, 2019 7:32:07 GMT -5
Well, they did blame him for things he didn't book and continue to ignore that he saved the company. They were losing millions prior to his time there, flying in guys from Japan is nice, as is hiring the biggest Indy names, but they were bleeding out as audiences weren't paying to see it. If he didn't organise the Sinclair deal, they would be archive material on the WWE network now. He then had to deal with Sinclair execs learning on the job and making promises they didn't deliver, and yes while he wasn't blameless, as a booker he's 30 years behind the times, I can understand him being a little irked by ROH fans acting like he nearly killed the company.I would also add ROH talent to that sentence as well (shooting daggers at you, Kevin Owens and Sami Zahn). Any more I think Owens is more mad at how Cornette treated the Smash Bros back when they had a bunch of momentum. I'd also say the Young Bucks hate Cornette more that Owens.
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Post by Kyn on Sept 22, 2019 9:33:01 GMT -5
I've been thinking about it since I first saw this thread, and honestly, I think Rollins deserves a place in the conversation. The things he's said over the years, continues to say, and what he said in those texts that leaked with his nudes... maybe Becky will change his outlook, but if not, I call shotgun on nominating him when this topic comes up in 20 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 9:58:07 GMT -5
I've been thinking about it since I first saw this thread, and honestly, I think Rollins deserves a place in the conversation. The things he's said over the years, continues to say, and what he said in those texts that leaked with his nudes... maybe Becky will change his outlook, but if not, I call shotgun on nominating him when this topic comes up in 20 years. I think Rollins is a douche as much as the next guy, but I think his issues stem more from emotional immaturity rather than bitterness. The ego, the "I hate my life and my fiancee" leaked texts, viewing his best friend getting a job somewhere else as a betrayal - he's basically a 15 year old in a 30-something body. Hopefully being with Becky will give him some perspective. Anyway, my nomination is Al Snow. As was said, the guy just seems to hate the fact that he, by his own metrics, was a failure in the wrestling business, and is taking that out on modern fans and modern wrestlers.
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Post by jking1979 on Sept 22, 2019 22:19:19 GMT -5
I don't consider Al Snow a failure. He did well in his career. The thing is everybody can't be a main eventer.
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Post by Shark on Sept 22, 2019 23:13:14 GMT -5
Vince McMahon The guy owns the majority of pro wrestling and won the wrestling ratings war of the 90s. He still can't get over himself and give the fans what they want. The invasion storyline is proof of that. He rushed it and made sure the WWE side came out on top. That could have been one of the greatest storylines in wrestling. I don't think we know nearly enough about Vince to say he's bitter or not. I actually highly doubt he is bitter. Crazy? Absolutely, but not bitter. As for not giving fans what they want, what fans want changes day by day, you can't give them everything they want, it's not possible. But at the same time, fans wanted Becky Lynch to main event Wrestlemania. Fans wanted Kofi to win the title at Wrestlemania. Fans wanted AJ styles to be taken seriously as a main event level talent. Vince gave us that. It might take a lot, but he does give the fans what they want in the end often. As for the Invasion, of course WWE was going to come out on top of it in the end. It'd be pretty stupid to end that angle with WCW winning and basically saying "Yeah WCW was always really better than WWE."
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 22, 2019 23:25:44 GMT -5
Honky Tonk Man comes to mind, but I think he’s mellowed in his later years. For those mentioning guys like Cornette doing this stuff for the camera, HTM practically invented it. Pretty much all of his ire was designed specifically to try to make money, nothing else. He's "mellowed" simply because there's not much money to be made in doing all of that for him anymore.
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Post by bitteroldman on Sept 23, 2019 2:13:51 GMT -5
Maybe Cornette isn't bitter, but he can sure come across that way sometimes. What does he have to be bitter about? He's apparently set financially (heard a recent podcast where he asked folks to stop sending orders for merch because of a temporary backlog in shipping the items) and gets exposure through his podcasts and other media posts. His opinions are controversial and disliked intensely by a small segment of the wrestling fanbase, but that doesn't make him bitter; hell for all we know he could just be working for his own amusement.
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