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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 15, 2019 22:12:19 GMT -5
Ahhh see now we're intermingling. Let's get on this faction business WWE.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 15, 2019 22:13:56 GMT -5
The Sasha feud is a dilemma really. What sort of message does it send if they simply brought back Sasha after all that nonsense she pulled and immediately put the title on her? It's like rewarding someone for being a bad actor. I'd definitely make her do a job in this feud to see if she plays ball. In a way I do think Becky needs to lose and regain simply to have a reign started that wasn't that goofy non win over Rousey. Can't worry about what Sasha did because that was months ago. She wanted to quit and they told her to cool off because they know what they have in her Having her lose takes steam off of her which is not what you want
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 15, 2019 22:17:00 GMT -5
The Sasha feud is a dilemma really. What sort of message does it send if they simply brought back Sasha after all that nonsense she pulled and immediately put the title on her? It's like rewarding someone for being a bad actor. I'd definitely make her do a job in this feud to see if she plays ball. In a way I do think Becky needs to lose and regain simply to have a reign started that wasn't that goofy non win over Rousey. The message it sends is "that's in the past and everyone can move on past it".
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 15, 2019 22:17:52 GMT -5
I'd absolutely worry about what she did months ago because if I put the title on her why wouldn't she throw another hissy fit when it was time to job the title?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 15, 2019 22:26:59 GMT -5
I'd absolutely worry about what she did months ago because if I put the title on her why wouldn't she throw another hissy fit when it was time to job the title? Because she will be getting a proper title run. She throws a fit then she knows she never gets this opportunity again but now is the time for Sasha. They are going to try to appease her and Vice Versa
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 15, 2019 22:27:03 GMT -5
I say this all the time in Becky Lynch threads... She's still over, and I still like her as probably my favourite female wrestler in the company. But the act loses a lot of steam when she's not raging against the office or the chosen ones, but against all the women on the roster that are arguably in the same position she used to be in, being in the grind, not on TV every single week, with their own fans (many who'd admit to being Lynch fans as well) clamouring for them to get their big chance.
Problem is, that's what she's left with. She can't rage against the office because that same office has given her the whole damn world in the last year and a bit. She can't rage against the chosen ones like Rousey or Flair anymore, because Rousey's gone away to lop off her fingers one by one and because they've done the Flair feud to death. Not to mention that she beat them both at the same time at WrestleMania. Even the nuclear option, the Rule 63 rehash that would be Lynch v Stephanie... Stephanie's been completely off TV for months, and I don't think we've noticed. She can't even rage against the woman that broke her face, Nia Jax, because she's been out with knee injuries since WrestleMania. So what is Lynch supposed to do? This isn't even really about HER per se, it's about WWE not building up anyone else to her level.
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Post by Sparkybob on Sept 15, 2019 22:34:55 GMT -5
Well, when you remove the tension that some people had that the WWE hates Becky and will have her job to Flair anyday now then you remove a lot of emotional investment people had in her matches.
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Post by theironyuppie on Sept 15, 2019 22:45:57 GMT -5
On one level you could say 'at least its working' because crowds like her, but Becky has had ridiculously strong booking since May 2018 and its interesting that people are only coming around to WWE's 'gotta make Lynch look strong, pal!' philosophy now. Even before Summerslam last year she got a winning streak where she beat every heel on SDL (as well as Charlotte) clean. Her one clean loss in the entire last year (I believe she hasn't taken a single fall on house shows in that time either--even when they were doing Asuka/Becky/Charlotte matches with Asuka as champ, Becky never took the fall) was to Asuka and it got erased by her winning the Rumble on one leg later that night and Asuka disappearing from TV for weeks. She got to beat up Ronda and Charlotte while on crutches, got to easily beat Ronda in a beat the clock match before Mania despite Charlotte interference, got to clown John Cena for 10 minutes, etc: I don't even think she's lost a tag or 6-woman match in the entire last year, that's how strong she's booked.
Basically, she has the booking fans think Charlotte has, though I would argue that perception has been vital in Becky's push working. Fans hated Roman because they thought WWE was too obviously behind him, so with Becky they came up with a way to give her a huge push while making it look like she wasn't, by getting fans angry at Charlotte being 'female Roman' instead. Its clever.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 15, 2019 22:47:39 GMT -5
On one level you could say 'at least its working' because crowds like her, but Becky has had ridiculously strong booking since May 2018 and its interesting that people are only coming around to WWE's 'gotta make Lynch look strong, pal!' philosophy now. Even before Summerslam last year she got a winning streak where she beat every heel on SDL (as well as Charlotte) clean. Her one clean loss in the entire last year was to Asuka and it got erased by her winning the Rumble on one leg later that night and Asuka disappearing from TV for weeks. She got to beat up Ronda and Charlotte while on crutches, got to beat Ronda in a beat the clock match despite Charlotte interference, got to clown John Cena for 10 minutes, etc: Basically, she has the booking fans think Charlotte has, though I would argue that perception has been vital in Becky's push working. Fans hated Roman because they thought WWE was too obviously behind him, so with Becky they came up with a way to give her a huge push while making it look like she wasn't. I said months ago that it was more about Becky losing than it was about Asuka winning
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 15, 2019 22:48:12 GMT -5
I think my main issue with WWE, right now, is that I don’t really like anybody. Maybe Bliss Cross? And this current version of Becky definitely isn’t an exception. Call it “too OP” or whatever, but she’s lost too much of what made me a fan in the first place. For me she’s not fighting the machine to become the top dog. Now she is the top dog and she just feels like either a bully or a kind of a bitch? again if the machine seemed at all interested in ehr still now that she's the champion it would feel different but they kinda gave up after she won at Mania.
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Post by theironyuppie on Sept 15, 2019 22:50:12 GMT -5
For me she’s not fighting the machine to become the top dog. Now she is the top dog and she just feels like either a bully or a kind of a bitch? again if the machine seemed at all interested in ehr still now that she's the champion it would feel different but they kinda gave up after she won at Mania.
I'm not the one who came up with it, but its like if Stone Cold won at Mania XIV and WWE shrugged and went 'cool'. Though its an interesting aside in itself how often they've had other characters wearing THE MAN shirts on-screen, I know Road Dogg and New Day (in that segment with Heavy Machinery where Becky drank their crazy concoction) both did it earlier this year.
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Post by theironyuppie on Sept 15, 2019 22:54:44 GMT -5
On one level you could say 'at least its working' because crowds like her, but Becky has had ridiculously strong booking since May 2018 and its interesting that people are only coming around to WWE's 'gotta make Lynch look strong, pal!' philosophy now. Even before Summerslam last year she got a winning streak where she beat every heel on SDL (as well as Charlotte) clean. Her one clean loss in the entire last year was to Asuka and it got erased by her winning the Rumble on one leg later that night and Asuka disappearing from TV for weeks. She got to beat up Ronda and Charlotte while on crutches, got to beat Ronda in a beat the clock match despite Charlotte interference, got to clown John Cena for 10 minutes, etc: Basically, she has the booking fans think Charlotte has, though I would argue that perception has been vital in Becky's push working. Fans hated Roman because they thought WWE was too obviously behind him, so with Becky they came up with a way to give her a huge push while making it look like she wasn't. I said months ago that it was more about Becky losing than it was about Asuka winning
And you're right, but to this day you see smarks arguing for it as proof that Becky isn't really pushed that strong.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 15, 2019 22:57:59 GMT -5
again if the machine seemed at all interested in ehr still now that she's the champion it would feel different but they kinda gave up after she won at Mania. I'm not the one who came up with it, but its like if Stone Cold won at Mania XIV and WWE shrugged and went 'cool'. Though its an interesting aside in itself how often they've had other characters wearing THE MAN shirts on-screen, I know Road Dogg and New Day (in that segment with Heavy Machinery where Becky drank their crazy concoction) both did it earlier this year.
I've been the one saying that.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 15, 2019 23:01:33 GMT -5
On one level you could say 'at least its working' because crowds like her, but Becky has had ridiculously strong booking since May 2018 and its interesting that people are only coming around to WWE's 'gotta make Lynch look strong, pal!' philosophy now. Even before Summerslam last year she got a winning streak where she beat every heel on SDL (as well as Charlotte) clean. Her one clean loss in the entire last year (I believe she hasn't taken a single fall on house shows in that time either--even when they were doing Asuka/Becky/Charlotte matches with Asuka as champ, Becky never took the fall) was to Asuka and it got erased by her winning the Rumble on one leg later that night and Asuka disappearing from TV for weeks. She got to beat up Ronda and Charlotte while on crutches, got to easily beat Ronda in a beat the clock match before Mania despite Charlotte interference, got to clown John Cena for 10 minutes, etc: I don't even think she's lost a tag or 6-woman match in the entire last year, that's how strong she's booked. Basically, she has the booking fans think Charlotte has, though I would argue that perception has been vital in Becky's push working. Fans hated Roman because they thought WWE was too obviously behind him, so with Becky they came up with a way to give her a huge push while making it look like she wasn't, by getting fans angry at Charlotte being 'female Roman' instead. Its clever. Here's a stat for you... Remember that match last year that she lost to Mandy Rose, and it was supposed to be the start of a losing streak angle because they referenced Lynch's rough run of results at the time and we had threads about it and everything? Her TV win/loss record since that match... 40-8-1. Of those losses, only TWO have been clean falls (to Flair in the SummerSlam 2018 triple threat and to Asuka at Royal Rumble), two were in ladder matches, two were by DQ, one was dirty with outside interference (Flair at Money In The Bank this year) and one was a tag match where she didn't take the fall. If it weren't for this DQ loss tonight, she'd still be on a win streak that was in double figures. That's monster strong booking. This has aged like someone chose poorly in the chamber of the Holy Grail.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 15, 2019 23:02:54 GMT -5
I said months ago that it was more about Becky losing than it was about Asuka winning And you're right, but to this day you see smarks arguing for it as proof that Becky isn't really pushed that strong.
My post from back in Feb and it still rings true today. People bought into the narrative that Becky would lose to the golden children because that was her arc and it worked despite Becky basically shitting on both of them the whole build. She has been pushed very strong, as strong as Charlotte was at her top height This whole thing's really helped me realize something...Becky's the new Strowman.
Strowman was OP and made everyone else look bad in favor of himself which was good for those who liked him but terrible for everyone else he went up again. Becky's been killing Ronda week in and week out to the point where it's one-sided, she makes everyone look bad on social media, she's just got this level invulnerability that anyone who goes against her gets damaged which is the same issue we had with Strowman but because people love her and all that they're not able to see how it's not helping anyone else. Ronda's been looking worse in this feud. Everyone has been except for one person: Charlotte. Charlotte's taken the bullets but she can go at people on social media, she can rip it in the ring, she can elevate herself so in this type of situation you've got Charlotte being able to go blow for blow and can actually give Becky some type of worry. Yeah, people don't wanna see it but it is what it is. Also like you said Charlotte's there incaseshit. In case shit happens, Charlotte's in the match. In case shit f***s up with the promos, Charlotte's there. In case shit happens with Becky looking too strong, Charlotte's there. In case shit happens and you need someone to help the division out besides Raw, Charlotte's there.
Yea, the one thing that has saved Becky is the fact she did just take a recent L to Asuka very clean which was obviously the right call because she was leaving SD However, Becky has been getting the better of wrestling and legends since the summer. Charlotte has been her bitch for months. I brought this up before that it would not surprise me if fans turned against Becky if this continued 6 more months because she one ups every one on the mic, has the one clean L at the rumble over these few months and just in general just looks above the competition. Charlotte brings presence who despite being Becky's bitch for a few months still has people scared she can win the match.
This is the typical stacking the odds against the babyface (who was just the heel). Authority is after her, her rival is always down her neck, and she's got a tough test against the only woman who has been killing like her the last 6 months. Thankfully, they are doing more to humanize her than they did with Braun
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Sept 15, 2019 23:03:09 GMT -5
“Men reject their prophets and slay them, but they love their martyrs and honor those whom they have slain.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Brothers Karamazov.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 15, 2019 23:04:37 GMT -5
On one level you could say 'at least its working' because crowds like her, but Becky has had ridiculously strong booking since May 2018 and its interesting that people are only coming around to WWE's 'gotta make Lynch look strong, pal!' philosophy now. Even before Summerslam last year she got a winning streak where she beat every heel on SDL (as well as Charlotte) clean. Her one clean loss in the entire last year (I believe she hasn't taken a single fall on house shows in that time either--even when they were doing Asuka/Becky/Charlotte matches with Asuka as champ, Becky never took the fall) was to Asuka and it got erased by her winning the Rumble on one leg later that night and Asuka disappearing from TV for weeks. She got to beat up Ronda and Charlotte while on crutches, got to easily beat Ronda in a beat the clock match before Mania despite Charlotte interference, got to clown John Cena for 10 minutes, etc: I don't even think she's lost a tag or 6-woman match in the entire last year, that's how strong she's booked. Basically, she has the booking fans think Charlotte has, though I would argue that perception has been vital in Becky's push working. Fans hated Roman because they thought WWE was too obviously behind him, so with Becky they came up with a way to give her a huge push while making it look like she wasn't, by getting fans angry at Charlotte being 'female Roman' instead. Its clever. Here's a stat for you... Remember that match last year that she lost to Mandy Rose, and it was supposed to be the start of a losing streak angle because they referenced Lynch's rough run of results at the time and we had threads about it and everything? Her TV win/loss record since that match... 40-8-1. Of those losses, only TWO have been clean falls (to Flair in the SummerSlam 2018 triple threat and to Asuka at Royal Rumble), two were in ladder matches, two were by DQ, one was dirty with outside interference (Flair at Money In The Bank this year) and one was a tag match where she didn't take the fall. If it weren't for this DQ loss tonight, she'd still be on a win streak that was in double figures. That's monster strong booking. For comparison sake, who is the closest right now or has been the closest I would have to think Cedric when he was CW champ had to have a crazy record but nowhere near this exposure.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 15, 2019 23:09:38 GMT -5
Here's a stat for you... Remember that match last year that she lost to Mandy Rose, and it was supposed to be the start of a losing streak angle because they referenced Lynch's rough run of results at the time and we had threads about it and everything? Her TV win/loss record since that match... 40-8-1. Of those losses, only TWO have been clean falls (to Flair in the SummerSlam 2018 triple threat and to Asuka at Royal Rumble), two were in ladder matches, two were by DQ, one was dirty with outside interference (Flair at Money In The Bank this year) and one was a tag match where she didn't take the fall. If it weren't for this DQ loss tonight, she'd still be on a win streak that was in double figures. That's monster strong booking. For comparison sake, who is the closest right now or has been the closest I would have to think Cedric when he was CW champ had to have a crazy record but nowhere near this exposure. A lot of his Alexander's crazy win streak precedes his actual run as the Cruiserweight Champion, so his record in the same timeframe (from about early May 2018 to now) is 25-23-0. It's tricky to calculate for everyone because I have to make a nice big slice in the middle of a year to do it and look at each person one-by-one. I know for sure that Kofi Kingston won 21 straight TV matches coming out of WrestleMania, but before he went on that run he was very much in the 50/50 mix like most midcarders are. Before that first big gauntlet match, he'd just taken a fall to Heavy Machinery.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 15, 2019 23:15:10 GMT -5
For comparison sake, who is the closest right now or has been the closest I would have to think Cedric when he was CW champ had to have a crazy record but nowhere near this exposure. A lot of his Alexander's crazy win streak precedes his actual run as the Cruiserweight Champion, so his record in the same timeframe (from about early May 2018 to now) is 25-23-0. It's tricky to calculate for everyone because I have to make a nice big slice in the middle of a year to do it and look at each person one-by-one. I know for sure that Kofi Kingston won 21 straight TV matches coming out of WrestleMania, but before he went on that run he was very much in the 50/50 mix like most midcarders are. Before that first big gauntlet match, he'd just taken a fall to Heavy Machinery. Hmm that's crazy so no one is really approaching Becky record wise either now or in the last year or so
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