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Post by theironyuppie on Sept 16, 2019 11:47:55 GMT -5
I think this is the biggest reason why the goofy finish last night pissed me off. A clean Sasha victory could have done wonders for both women. Yea, it is not like you can't continue the feud, as it didn't need a f*** finish. Becky caused the DQ and got her heat back at the end of the match, it knocked Sasha down a bit when she should be standing tall against Becky They seem to know no other booking when it comes to Becky opponents. Reminded me of the beat the clock before Mania when the easiest, most logical booking would be have Ronda win so she’s more of a threat for Mania and thus Becky’s win there means more, but instead they just have Becky win easily instead cause why bother having her show any actual adversity.
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Post by 4real on Sept 16, 2019 12:42:46 GMT -5
Sasha should have won the belt last night really rather than the stupid finish we got. Then have Bayley & Sasha v Charlotte & Becky in the Cell for all the gold.
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Post by schma on Sept 16, 2019 13:22:19 GMT -5
Can you imagine if tonight they had a rematch and Sasha won and then she flashes back to her Charlotte feud and is just like oh f**k no this again!
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Post by Shy Guy on Sept 16, 2019 13:40:25 GMT -5
My bad I thought everyone knew what OP was from the Braun thread from last year No worries. For the longest time I thought it was "original poster" and just went with that until this thread 🤷
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 13:48:13 GMT -5
My bad I thought everyone knew what OP was from the Braun thread from last year No worries. For the longest time I thought it was "original poster" and just went with that until this thread 🤷 Lol it has a few different meanings but in this context OP is for overpowered
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 16, 2019 13:56:34 GMT -5
My bad I thought everyone knew what OP was from the Braun thread from last year No worries. For the longest time I thought it was "original poster" and just went with that until this thread 🤷 It means that too. And also original post refering to the first post in the thread rather than the originator of the thread... I can see where that in particular can be confusing haha
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 16, 2019 14:45:53 GMT -5
I still struggle with Asuka beating Becky at the rumble and then failing to challenge Becky after WM. It writes itself.
That leads to more interesting things, Lacey reacting badly to not being taken as seriously as Asuka and Charlotte losing her mind for not being involved in either title picture with no automatic rematch rights. Lacey uses a weapon to hurt Becky in match 1 to hand her the dq win.
As a result Asuka wins again in match 2 which reinforces Becky's not invisible.
I'd also have Bayley being way too invested in Becky being on top to set up what's happening now.
Charlotte meanwhile schemes away, encouraging Bayley, winding up Lacey, convincing Nattie to take one last shot in her home town etc.
All winds up in similar places but some ongoing storylines with multiple threats at once would add more doubt into things. Rather than one at a time with no overriding arc.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 16, 2019 14:54:39 GMT -5
The match did a fine job setting up the rematch next month and was the best thing on the show. Y’all love this OP stuff.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 15:00:10 GMT -5
The match did a fine job setting up the rematch next month and was the best thing on the show. Y’all love this OP stuff. Did you not read the first and last paragraph of what I wrote ? This isn’t about one match
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Post by abjordans on Sept 16, 2019 15:03:16 GMT -5
The match did a fine job setting up the rematch next month and was the best thing on the show. Y’all love this OP stuff. Did you not read the first and last paragraph of what I wrote ? This isn’t about one match Yea, I don’t agree with any of it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 15:09:31 GMT -5
Did you not read the first and last paragraph of what I wrote ? This isn’t about one match Yea, I don’t agree with any of it. So why bring up the match when the match has no real barring to the overall picture of why I said she is OP. Last paragraph I said this was a good match but that isn’t the end all be all
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Post by abjordans on Sept 16, 2019 15:19:22 GMT -5
Yea, I don’t agree with any of it. So why bring up the match when the match has no real barring to the overall picture of why I said she is OP. Last paragraph I said this was a good match but that isn’t the end all be all Pretty oddly timed thread to not have anything to do with the match. Thread was made almost right after.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 15:31:52 GMT -5
She should be for now. She's still less than a year into her big babyface run. They've already done the chase story with her twice. It was time for her to finally get a significant and dominant reign as champion. Your top star/champion shouldn't be losing on television or getting beat down every other week.
There's no reason to cool her off yet. In a world where former smark darling Seth Rollins and even Kofi freaking Kingston, one of the most likeable babyfaces pretty much ever, are starting to get boos in their PPV matches they have to realize they have something special in Becky, who 6 months into her title reign isn't even getting booed against a returning Sasha Banks at her hottest. No one else in the division has the star potential she does. That promo prior to the match last night was great. It's not her fault she's on a level above the rest of the division. They should attempt to bring others up to Becky's level. Not bring Becky down to theirs.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 16, 2019 15:33:50 GMT -5
So why bring up the match when the match has no real barring to the overall picture of why I said she is OP. Last paragraph I said this was a good match but that isn’t the end all be all Pretty oddly timed thread to not have anything to do with the match. Thread was made almost right after. I said the match has no real barring. Timing does matter, once again I presented all of this in the OP. Sasha Banks was left laying in the ring and yes it is all for a “bigger picture” but for over a year she has dominated and we should be at a point where she shouldn’t be standing y’all over each adversity. I could have made this thread a few months ago but with over a year worth of time, there is specific moments I can go back to, to back up my argument
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 15:42:10 GMT -5
She should be for now. She's still less than a year into her big babyface run. They've already done the chase story with her twice. It was time for her to finally get a significant and dominant reign as champion. Your top star/champion shouldn't be losing on television or getting beat down every other week. There's no reason to cool her off yet. In a world where former smark darling Seth Rollins and even Kofi freaking Kingston, one of the most likeable babyfaces pretty much ever, are starting to get boos in their PPV matches they have to realize they have something special in Becky, who 6 months into her title reign isn't even getting booed against a returning Sasha Banks at her hottest. No one else in the division has the star potential she does. That promo prior to the match last night was great. It's not her fault she's on a level above the rest of the division. They should attempt to bring others up to Becky's level. Not bring Becky down to theirs.A great champion is able to elevate their opponent up to their level regardless of the conditions. That's why Michaels, Bryan and Styles were so great. Bryan for example, look at what he did for Kofi. Becky just isn't that hence why she's having this problem. She can't elevate her opponents as this character. Charlotte was better than her when it comes to elevating people as Charlotte herself elevated Becky to her current level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 15:51:19 GMT -5
She should be for now. She's still less than a year into her big babyface run. They've already done the chase story with her twice. It was time for her to finally get a significant and dominant reign as champion. Your top star/champion shouldn't be losing on television or getting beat down every other week. There's no reason to cool her off yet. In a world where former smark darling Seth Rollins and even Kofi freaking Kingston, one of the most likeable babyfaces pretty much ever, are starting to get boos in their PPV matches they have to realize they have something special in Becky, who 6 months into her title reign isn't even getting booed against a returning Sasha Banks at her hottest. No one else in the division has the star potential she does. That promo prior to the match last night was great. It's not her fault she's on a level above the rest of the division. They should attempt to bring others up to Becky's level. Not bring Becky down to theirs.A great champion is able to elevate their opponent up to their level regardless of the conditions. That's why Michaels, Bryan and Styles were so great. Bryan for example, look at what he did for Kofi. Becky just isn't that hence why she's having this problem. She can't elevate her opponents as this character. Charlotte was better than her when it comes to elevating people as Charlotte herself elevated Becky to her current level. She literally spent months feuding with a rookie in Lacey Evans and had crowds invested in the matches. Who else in the division could have done that? Lacey has wrestled Charlotte, Bayley, Natalya and others this year in matches that got zero reaction. When she was up against Becky was the only time people cared about her. And right now Sasha is in a better position than she has been in 3 years and is probably going to be the next champion. Then there's Asuka, who went from doing absolutely nothing for 8 months last year then winning the title from Becky in December and making her tap out in January. Literally all these people got to their hottest when feuding with Becky. It's not her fault how they're booked elsewhere.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 16, 2019 15:57:16 GMT -5
Yeah I'd argue that being in there with Becky as this character has raised up each opponent so far.
I just think this character has nowhere left to go, which is why I say have her drop the belt or turn her heel.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 16, 2019 16:10:32 GMT -5
Yeah I'd argue that being in there with Becky as this character has raised up each opponent so far. I just think this character has nowhere left to go, which is why I say have her drop the belt or turn her heel. I think it can be tweaked a little.I think the issues they made it "slighter lame" when she officialy turned face. Turned Heel Becky was awesome because she took no shit and believed in herself A LOT,but she also had a really mean streak and and would feel no remorses. I feel like to be a face they made her more tame and nicer to people.But while still because an ass about it. And also yeh big part of the story is that she had to prove herself,she has nothing to prove now,which is why I think Becky two belts had some more life span than one match. At least two .That doesnt mean being the underdog or FACING THE ODDS as WWE likes to think it means. In the end she is still very over and their top gal.It just lacks that something special she had before. I think facing Asuka who I don't think she ever beat would have been awesome if they you know. Bothered using Asuka properly
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 16:11:53 GMT -5
A great champion is able to elevate their opponent up to their level regardless of the conditions. That's why Michaels, Bryan and Styles were so great. Bryan for example, look at what he did for Kofi. Becky just isn't that hence why she's having this problem. She can't elevate her opponents as this character. Charlotte was better than her when it comes to elevating people as Charlotte herself elevated Becky to her current level. She literally spent months feuding with a rookie in Lacey Evans and had crowds invested in the matches. Who else in the division could have done that? Lacey has wrestled Charlotte, Bayley, Natalya and others this year in matches that got zero reaction. When she was up against Becky was the only time people cared about her. And right now Sasha is in a better position than she has been in 3 years and is probably going to be the next champion. Then there's Asuka, who went from doing absolutely nothing for 8 months last year then winning the title from Becky in December and making her tap out in January. Literally all these people got to their hottest when feuding with Becky. It's not her fault how they're booked elsewhere. And you've just answered my question, that's not elevating your opponent to that next level, that's only elevating them when they're against you ala "Big Match John" feuds. An example is Kofi/Bryan. With Kofi's storyline they elevated Kofi from the midcard to main event position and he's kept that level the entire way through. Had Kofi faced Bryan once, had the crowd love it, and then stayed at that same previous midcard level then yeah that would be what Becky's doing with her opponents. There's a difference between elevating superstars to the next level and only elevating them in the matches where they're against the champion. You're describing Lacey getting the crowd into her Becky match but given she's not elevated nobody cares what else she does after that match, it's not sustained like it's supposed to. That's the point I'm making here. Bryan, Michaels, Styles, they don't have that problem because they really elevate their opponents but Becky does because she's not doing that. She's out wrecking them due to her booking.
It's the Cena effect where people care about the opponent when they face Cena but when they're not facing them the crowd doesn't care all because Cena doesn't elevate the opponent. Don't tell me that Cena elevated his opponents because he's doing the same thing Becky's doing.
That's just not elevating your opponent and had Becky been a better champion and better at elevating her opponents rather than trashing them this wouldn't happen. There's a reason why the Charlotte feud kept elevating Becky and that's due to what Charlotte and Becky put into it.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 16, 2019 16:18:00 GMT -5
Pretty oddly timed thread to not have anything to do with the match. Thread was made almost right after. I said the match has no real barring. Timing does matter, once again I presented all of this in the OP. Sasha Banks was left laying in the ring and yes it is all for a “bigger picture” but for over a year she has dominated and we should be at a point where she shouldn’t be standing y’all over each adversity. I could have made this thread a few months ago but with over a year worth of time, there is specific moments I can go back to, to back up my argument That’s not even accurate though, around the time of Royal Rumble people were flipping out because she wasn’t being booked strong enough and Charlotte was the one supposedly “OP” in the women’s division. We can check the paper trail, the receipts are there. Y’all just like making these OP threads. How is she not elevating opponents? Lacey was in a PPV main event because of association with Becky, not her fault Pacey was nowhere near ready for the main roster full time. She elevated Sasha, Sasha is back as a legit contender, before this feud against Becky she had not been at that level in a long time. Facts and history are just ignored because these OP threads get a lot of replies.
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