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Post by asuka007 on Aug 27, 2021 11:15:58 GMT -5
Yea because making her look like a weak careless idiot will totally make people root for her more.
WWE does not know how to book babyfaces these days.
The thing is, aside from the 18 second match at Mania, Bryan won most of his matches and clean. He lost some bigger matches sure, and even then a lot of them he lost by getting screwed over in various ways.
So they cannot even do the DB thing well.
Also Bianca is not Bryan. Bianca does not fit the “underdog” role like he did.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 27, 2021 11:19:55 GMT -5
What is a fan meant to do? They cheer for Belair after this, it validates WWE for doing this angle to start with (even if it has nothing to do with it, they’ll believe what they want to believe), and it remains in the playbook. They don’t react for her, it validates the cynical fan and THEIR belief that this one match, ONE F***ING MATCH... has killed her career.
It’s such astronomically high risk for what little actual reward there might be at the end of it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 27, 2021 11:20:49 GMT -5
So... Meltzer in WON said that, as I said, Becky's squash of Bianca was intended to generate sympathy for Bianca and to eventually make her a bigger babyface. While fans saw it was a burial, the company's intention was that this was part of their plans to raise her up somehow. The squash is the start of Becky's heel turn too. So..yeah...this is the Daniel Bryan 2013-2014 storyline/Roman Reigns 2015-2016 storyline all over again. They're having Bianca look like crap and she's going to keep getting crapped on until the end. This is the start of her being destroyed by Becky. This company sucks. This is more like Ambrose/Lesnar situation What they wanted and what we got aren't the same. At least in Ambrose case, that can clearly be blamed on Brock as WWE tried to hammer home Dean Ambrose went through death and was supposed to be Lesnar toughest fight ever With this one, it quite clearly "yay Becky Lynch" for the big pop BUT once again if you want us to feel sorry for Bianca you had horrible execution. Tease the match and set up the Becky Lynch heel turn. Having Bianca lose off what was a relatively BS cheap shot just made her look weak.
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Post by eJm on Aug 27, 2021 12:08:22 GMT -5
So... Meltzer in WON said that, as I said, Becky's squash of Bianca was intended to generate sympathy for Bianca and to eventually make her a bigger babyface. While fans saw it was a burial, the company's intention was that this was part of their plans to raise her up somehow. The squash is the start of Becky's heel turn too. So..yeah...this is the Daniel Bryan 2013-2014 storyline/Roman Reigns 2015-2016 storyline all over again. They're having Bianca look like crap and she's going to keep getting crapped on until the end. This is the start of her being destroyed by Becky. This company sucks. It’s almost admirable how much they don’t learn from anything despite having management that has practically seen and done everything in modern wrestling. And it has to be said again, Bianca is a homegrown WWE talent. The sort of talent they’re going to be looking for long term. If that’s how they treat someone like THAT and thinking it’ll get her sympathy? That goes beyond a lack of understanding of the business and a lack of understanding of storytelling in general.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 12:20:23 GMT -5
I cannot f***ing wait to see this backfire it is going to be amazing.
I like Bianca but in her current incarnation she stands no f***ing chance against the woman who got bit by a vampire , no sold it , stole am ambulance to come back that very same night to get her revenge.
I wanna trust Becky but I do not trust this company one f***ing iota to not have Becky just run down Bianca time and time again and make her look like a complete and total loser.
WWE has no f***ing clue how badly this is about to blow up in their faces and Bianca is gonna become so damaged it will likely take a year or more to repair iof they even can because I have said this time and time again about Becky's title run no one came out better for it and Bianca IMO aint gonna be the exception to it sadly.
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Post by khali on Aug 27, 2021 13:07:59 GMT -5
WWE is so broken that their new plan is to get someone cheered by manufacturing fan sympathy through bad booking. You have a fantastic athlete with great presence and charisma, and your plan is to have her look like a geek so fans will feel bad and cheer her.
I have never seen *any* company book faces worse than current WWE.
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Post by theironyuppie on Aug 27, 2021 13:20:01 GMT -5
So... Meltzer in WON said that, as I said, Becky's squash of Bianca was intended to generate sympathy for Bianca and to eventually make her a bigger babyface. While fans saw it was a burial, the company's intention was that this was part of their plans to raise her up somehow. The squash is the start of Becky's heel turn too. So..yeah...this is the Daniel Bryan 2013-2014 storyline/Roman Reigns 2015-2016 storyline all over again. They're having Bianca look like crap and she's going to keep getting crapped on until the end. This is the start of her being destroyed by Becky. This company sucks. This is more like Ambrose/Lesnar situation What they wanted and what we got aren't the same. At least in Ambrose case, that can clearly be blamed on Brock as WWE tried to hammer home Dean Ambrose went through death and was supposed to be Lesnar toughest fight ever With this one, it quite clearly "yay Becky Lynch" for the big pop BUT once again if you want us to feel sorry for Bianca you had horrible execution. Tease the match and set up the Becky Lynch heel turn. Having Bianca lose off what was a relatively BS cheap shot just made her look weak.
I think it was a combination of factors even beyond the booking itself that made it worse, from Bianca acting giddy at Becky showing up to Becky (understandably given it was her return) doing her pump-handle slam more tentatively than usual to Bianca not having experience selling that kind of move and it looking like an oddly soft way to squash someone whose gimmick had been built (besides her hair) on strength and athleticism.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 13:22:30 GMT -5
So this is the preview for SD tonight. LOL underhanded tactics? on we got spin doctors workin overtime now. How was what Becky did underhanded in anyway? lol she did not cheat or use any heel tactics to beat Bianca she played on Bianca being naive and likely starstruck and beat her.
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Post by eJm on Aug 27, 2021 13:24:12 GMT -5
WWE is so broken that their new plan is to get someone cheered by manufacturing fan sympathy through bad booking. You have a fantastic athlete with great presence and charisma, and your plan is to have her look like a geek so fans will feel bad and cheer her. I have never seen *any* company book faces worse than current WWE. Not to make it about race but she’s also an African American, someone that division’s needed in ages since apparently WWE doesn’t hear the constant cheers for Naomi the last few years. And even if that isn’t anything to do with it (and I’m not saying it is at all) but if people turn around and accuse WWE of racism for that, I can’t exactly say I blame them for it. It’s just…so much of it leaves a bad impression even before they confirm the turn tonight. And even if they backtrack, it arguably makes things worse.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 27, 2021 13:29:38 GMT -5
So this is the preview for SD tonight. LOL underhanded tactics? on we got spin doctors workin overtime now. How was what Becky did underhanded in anyway? lol she did not cheat or use any heel tactics to beat Bianca she played on Bianca being naive and likely starstruck and beat her. Underhanded tactics would imply Becky hit her with brass knucks or something to win, which didn’t happen.
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Post by schma on Aug 27, 2021 13:31:29 GMT -5
So this is the preview for SD tonight. LOL underhanded tactics? on we got spin doctors workin overtime now. How was what Becky did underhanded in anyway? lol she did not cheat or use any heel tactics to beat Bianca she played on Bianca being naive and likely starstruck and beat her. My response was how could anyone not call it underhanded tactics? She cheapshotted her. Yeah Bianca was naive and fell for it, but to be fair Becky is not known for shenanigans like this.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 27, 2021 13:49:30 GMT -5
WWE is so broken that their new plan is to get someone cheered by manufacturing fan sympathy through bad booking. You have a fantastic athlete with great presence and charisma, and your plan is to have her look like a geek so fans will feel bad and cheer her. I have never seen *any* company book faces worse than current WWE. There really is no middle ground when it comes to WWE faces. They’re either world-beater badasses that might grate on some or weak underdog losers that everyone thinks are bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 13:59:15 GMT -5
I keep reading the thread title in the voice of the grandma from Don't Be a Menace. "You STILL OP... motherf***er..."
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 27, 2021 14:01:58 GMT -5
It was definitely underhanded. She shook her hand like it was going to be a fair fight then cheap shotted her. It was 100% jerk behaviour.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 27, 2021 14:08:25 GMT -5
It was definitely underhanded. She shook her hand like it was going to be a fair fight then cheap shotted her. It was 100% jerk behaviour. Well, then it’s a failure on commentary’s part to not sell it as such at the time it happened, because it never came across that way.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 27, 2021 14:16:52 GMT -5
It was definitely underhanded. She shook her hand like it was going to be a fair fight then cheap shotted her. It was 100% jerk behaviour. Well, then it’s a failure on commentary’s part to not sell it as such at the time it happened, because it never came across that way. I guess so. That's just how I interpreted it at the time. Cole was in full "Repeat things like a wannabe JR" mode trying to make it epic and just screaming Lynch wins the title 100 times rather than talking about what actually happened.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 14:17:54 GMT -5
WWE is so broken that their new plan is to get someone cheered by manufacturing fan sympathy through bad booking. You have a fantastic athlete with great presence and charisma, and your plan is to have her look like a geek so fans will feel bad and cheer her. I have never seen *any* company book faces worse than current WWE. There really is no middle ground when it comes to WWE faces. They’re either world-beater badasses that might grate on some or weak underdog losers that everyone thinks are bad. I'd say there's a middle ground that very very few end up end up being but at the core of it all they're the "perfect face" if you ask me. They're also similar and that's the HBK 1996/AJ Styles 2017/Kofi Kingston 2019 type of face. All legit champions who are strong in their own right but due to their selling, building and personalities they can make any opponent feel like they have a great chance of winning. Kofi made us believe Dolph Ziggler of all people was about to be WWE Champion. These are are that rare "S+ Ranked Underdog Champion" type of faces. But... Sadly that can't escape WWE booking lol. For as great as these faces are their reigns are always hit with some bullshit whether it's AJ's being ridiculously long or Kofi's being squashed by Lesnar. I don't remember much about HBK's back then as a kid but the fact man lost to Sid and then won the belt again at the Rumble felt a bit weird to me lol.
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Post by XIII on Aug 27, 2021 14:26:20 GMT -5
“Rebellious force of nature” lol
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Post by mistery on Aug 27, 2021 14:29:28 GMT -5
“Rebellious force of nature” lol It's especially funny since Becky is basically a corporate mouthpiece now, and likely will be even in kayfabe. It's like WWE saw everyone complaining about how Roman is running over the entire men's division and thought "yeah lets do that for our women's divisions as well with Charlotte and Becky on power trips".
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 27, 2021 14:31:34 GMT -5
I keep reading the thread title in the voice of the grandma from Don't Be a Menace. "You STILL OP... motherf***er..." Vince: Becky we need you back, how much? Becky:
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