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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Mar 3, 2020 16:37:49 GMT -5
she's great as the Doctor, as was Capaldi before her, as it's been said it's stories around her that is often the problem.
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Post by thechase on Mar 3, 2020 16:53:03 GMT -5
They don't explore enough with her as The Doctor (not even with fanw*nk episodes like this) or the fact the character is now female.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 3, 2020 17:02:26 GMT -5
She's been fine as the Doctor. The problem are the stories surrounding her and the companions have mostly been bunk. But that's how I felt for Capaldi's run too. Jodie’s delightful, I really enjoy her performance. The writing hasn’t been the best tho.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Mar 3, 2020 17:06:59 GMT -5
She's been fine as the Doctor. The problem are the stories surrounding her and the companions have mostly been bunk. But that's how I felt for Capaldi's run too. Jodie’s delightful, I really enjoy her performance. The writing hasn’t been the best tho. What else has Jodie done that you'd recommend? Apparently she was in Broadchurch and she was really good in that.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 3, 2020 18:03:28 GMT -5
She's been fine as the Doctor. The problem are the stories surrounding her and the companions have mostly been bunk. But that's how I felt for Capaldi's run too. Jodie’s delightful, I really enjoy her performance. The writing hasn’t been the best tho. Hmmm rereading that it can sound like I was downplaying her a bit. It wasn't really my intention. I've enjoyed watching her and how she plays the character. But her series havent really been good despite her performance.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 4, 2020 3:45:28 GMT -5
Jodie's fine, has had some weaker moments but no more than virtually every other Doctor and she has too often been fighting against bad writing and characterisation.
While a lot of people were lukewarm for Praxeus, I really did appreciate that it gave her a clear and clever hero moment at the end. She needs more stuff like that.
As for the companions - would miss Graham the most, but do feel that he's had a good run and can walk away with the plaudits. Would've been fascinating to see him as the solo companion. Ryan, man, they just barely bothered with him. Go back and watch Woman Who Fell for a bit of culture shock about how much Ryan used to get to do, as opposed to the odd line here and there and some brief wobble doing something physical when the writers remember. Off the three, it's bloody sad to say but he'll really make the least impression if he goes.
Keeping Yaz on for a while longer, fine. Constantly overshadowed in Series 11, she at long last had a couple flickers of effort put into her character and backstory, and as a solo friend should have the chance to do more. Mandip is a good actress when they throw her some breadcrumbs.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 4, 2020 5:22:49 GMT -5
The problem is Jodie hasn't had a really stand out episode to show off her acting chops. Christopher Eccleston has Dalek. David Tennant has Midnight. Matt Smith has Vincent and the Doctor. Peter Capaldi has Hell Bent. What does Jodie have?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 6:29:56 GMT -5
I tuned out of Who towards the end of the Matt Smith run. I am cuerious what exactly they've established now for the doctor's origin/nature. Would anyone mind giving me a quick summary can only find lengthy rambling through google.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 4, 2020 6:54:54 GMT -5
I tuned out of Who towards the end of the Matt Smith run. I am cuerious what exactly they've established now for the doctor's origin/nature. Would anyone mind giving me a quick summary can only find lengthy rambling through google. Ok, so here goes. Someone from Gallifrey found a child through a space anomaly type thing. They then found out that that child would regenerate when it was killed. So they did many experiments to find the secret, including killing the kid many times over, till they finally got it. They then chose to give this ability to certain people on Gallifrey, creating the Time Lords, but limiting them to 13 lives. As for the child, they ended up basically working for Time Lord black ops, having their memory erased at the end of every life, since it's a natural thing, they had infinite lives #Konamicode And that child... WAS THE DOCTOR! So basically, there tons of pre-Hartnell Doctors, one we've met this season already (who was awesome), and The Doctor is the whole basis for regeneration.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 7:11:14 GMT -5
I tuned out of Who towards the end of the Matt Smith run. I am cuerious what exactly they've established now for the doctor's origin/nature. Would anyone mind giving me a quick summary can only find lengthy rambling through google. Ok, so here goes. Someone from Gallifrey found a child through a space anomaly type thing. They then found out that that child would regenerate when it was killed. So they did many experiments to find the secret, including killing the kid many times over, till they finally got it. They then chose to give this ability to certain people on Gallifrey, creating the Time Lords, but limiting them to 13 lives. As for the child, they ended up basically working for Time Lord black ops, having their memory erased at the end of every life, since it's a natural thing, they had infinite lives #Konamicode And that child... WAS THE DOCTOR! So basically, there tons of pre-Hartnell Doctors, one we've met this season already (who was awesome), and The Doctor is the whole basis for regeneration. Ha, riiiiight ok... well thanks for that, nice and clear explanation!
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 4, 2020 7:42:00 GMT -5
Ok, so here goes. Someone from Gallifrey found a child through a space anomaly type thing. They then found out that that child would regenerate when it was killed. So they did many experiments to find the secret, including killing the kid many times over, till they finally got it. They then chose to give this ability to certain people on Gallifrey, creating the Time Lords, but limiting them to 13 lives. As for the child, they ended up basically working for Time Lord black ops, having their memory erased at the end of every life, since it's a natural thing, they had infinite lives #Konamicode And that child... WAS THE DOCTOR! So basically, there tons of pre-Hartnell Doctors, one we've met this season already (who was awesome), and The Doctor is the whole basis for regeneration. Ha, riiiiight ok... well thanks for that, nice and clear explanation! Yeah, it manages to be both a massive change to the mythology, but has absolutely no bearing on the story, since The Master genocided Gallifrey so there aren't any Time Lords for this to matter to. Hell, even in the episode, while The Doctor was freaking out, she imagined the new secret Doctor we'd met this season telling her "so what?" Basically.
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Post by thechase on Mar 4, 2020 8:13:42 GMT -5
Basically, the whole thing was done to justify a plot hole from the 1970s.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 8:42:23 GMT -5
Ha, riiiiight ok... well thanks for that, nice and clear explanation! Yeah, it manages to be both a massive change to the mythology, but has absolutely no bearing on the story, since The Master genocided Gallifrey so there aren't any Time Lords for this to matter to. Hell, even in the episode, while The Doctor was freaking out, she imagined the new secret Doctor we'd met this season telling her "so what?" Basically. Wait, they wiped out the Time Lords? Again? Haven't they done precisely nothing with them?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 4, 2020 8:59:32 GMT -5
Yeah, it manages to be both a massive change to the mythology, but has absolutely no bearing on the story, since The Master genocided Gallifrey so there aren't any Time Lords for this to matter to. Hell, even in the episode, while The Doctor was freaking out, she imagined the new secret Doctor we'd met this season telling her "so what?" Basically. Wait, they wiped out the Time Lords? Again? Haven't they done precisely nothing with them? Oh it gets better my friend. So, The Master has wiped out the Time Lords between seasons. He kept the bodies. Had them Cyber-converted. We have Cyber Time Lords, who seem to just be mindless minions who regenerate inside the armour.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 4, 2020 11:41:46 GMT -5
Wait, they wiped out the Time Lords? Again? Haven't they done precisely nothing with them? Oh it gets better my friend. So, The Master has wiped out the Time Lords between seasons. He kept the bodies. Had them Cyber-converted. We have Cyber Time Lords, who seem to just be mindless minions who regenerate inside the armour. and on that last bit... If he killed them... and they didn't regenerate... why would they suddenly regenerate when converted into cybermen? Also they are already probably dead again... because super death bomb.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 11:48:50 GMT -5
Wait, they wiped out the Time Lords? Again? Haven't they done precisely nothing with them? Oh it gets better my friend. So, The Master has wiped out the Time Lords between seasons. He kept the bodies. Had them Cyber-converted. We have Cyber Time Lords, who seem to just be mindless minions who regenerate inside the armour. Huh... That's dumb.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 4, 2020 12:20:29 GMT -5
Oh it gets better my friend. So, The Master has wiped out the Time Lords between seasons. He kept the bodies. Had them Cyber-converted. We have Cyber Time Lords, who seem to just be mindless minions who regenerate inside the armour. and on that last bit... If he killed them... and they didn't regenerate... why would they suddenly regenerate when converted into cybermen? Also they are already probably dead again... because super death bomb. There was a line like "Everybody go through here" so they're going to be back. There are ways you could do the non regeneration thing, some kind of stasis, looking back he worked out how to make regenerations etc. But they didn't even try to make that make sense.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 4, 2020 13:49:55 GMT -5
I'm wondering if those were ones he didn't "kill" so much as put in stasis or something, and then just did a cyber conversion on them. That would the most sense to me.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 4, 2020 14:14:27 GMT -5
I'm wondering if those were ones he didn't "kill" so much as put in stasis or something, and then just did a cyber conversion on them. That would the most sense to me. He said he killed all of them and kept their bodies. I mean you could go he's lying but that's kind've a cheap out.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 4, 2020 14:28:21 GMT -5
That and the we had to tell the audience that the Doctor was seeing those policeman scenes because we didn't bother showing her reacting to them nor do any tricks like fade back onto her face.
Were the biggest problems I had with the last episodes (also for a two parter it seemed like a whole lot of nothing happened)
The big twist I'm fine with it doesn't actually change that much it adds more hidden doctors through time but they even kinda said it doesn't matter in the show.
Secondly it's a terrible idea trying to put any continuity into DW. They constantly contradict themselves... and the things they contradict contradict other things. So if you really hate this idea... wait like a series they'll stop mentioning it until they come up with something else
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