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Post by thatloser on Jan 28, 2020 6:47:14 GMT -5
I miss remembered the scene where him and Bill where sitting on a bench eating takeaway, I thought he said he was a little girl once in that scene but I just looked it up and he says "Yeah, I think she was a man back then. I'm fairly sure I was one too, it was a long time ago through" I'm just trying to make sense of what happened last night and I realised it can't be before the first because the TARDIS is a police box and I'm pretty sure it didn't get stuck in that shape until The Doctor and Susan hid on Earth.I came up with a theory about that one, using the episode "Name of the Doctor" as the basis. It's said that the type 40 The Doctor and Susan steal is in the repair shop, and then they're instructed by Clara to take the one with the knackered navigation equipment. You could argue that the type 40 was still the one Ruth had used, but had been restored to it's original form by the repair shop technicians...and somehow Clara's splinter, having learned of the Doctor's legend from Ruth's previous missions, points Hartnell and Susan in the direction of the type 40 that had previously served them. So you're saying the TARDIS was already a 1960's police box in the repair shop and it was just a coincidence they hid in the 1960's? There is so many holes in every theory to truly make them stick. I saw someone theorise that The Doctor is the timeless child and has unlimited regenerations, so Ruth Doctor is between current and the first but the problem with that is we saw the time lords give the Doctor a new cycle.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 28, 2020 9:57:31 GMT -5
I was thinking parallel universe myself so I'm really interested now as to how they get this to make sense. Because remember, it's not just this other Doctor, it's that Gallifrey is somehow out there and not bombed to hell.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 28, 2020 11:13:24 GMT -5
I was thinking parallel universe myself so I'm really interested now as to how they get this to make sense. Because remember, it's not just this other Doctor, it's that Gallifrey is somehow out there and not bombed to hell. Just rewatched Spyfall and she mentions the Master having maps of others Earths, I know she came to the conclusion that they were of other time periods but I wonder if there is something to it that goes along with this mystery. Either way, glad this season has more of an arc to it, kinda what I felt was missing from her first season.
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Post by thatloser on Jan 30, 2020 14:39:03 GMT -5
I just found out Anjli Mohindra who played Rani Chandra in The Sarah Jane Adventures was Queen Skithra in Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror. Which I find funny as I'm pretty sure Bradley Walsh (Graham) was a villain on The Sarah Jane Adventures while she was on the show. So both have been in a spin off and the main show together with the roles of who is good and bad reversed.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 30, 2020 15:32:23 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Feb 2, 2020 15:25:32 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Last week, we dared to tease a rewrite of the show's rulebook, this week it was back to wibbly-wokey box ticking, an episode that preached about the effects plastics have on the human body, and threatened the world with a viral epidemic at the height of the coronovirus panic. Add in a quarrelling gay astronaut and his life partner just so you know it's business as usual, and have everyone travel under the sea but somehow don't have the budget for the Sea Devils
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Feb 2, 2020 15:30:50 GMT -5
{Spoiler}okay the main story was actually good, the parts were drawn together quite nicely AND it made sense! it licked on at a pace and never felt boring
however the secondary characters were utterly forgettable and unconvincing especially the married couple ..... better off being brothers imo ..... they were so bland except for gabriella
and the massive amount of dubbing needed for this episode was very noticable too
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Post by thechase on Feb 2, 2020 15:43:32 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Word's spreading a bit that the Sea Devils were cut out of the episode in rewrites, that's why Chibnall was co-credited! CHAOS IN CARDIFF!
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Post by thechase on Feb 3, 2020 10:05:15 GMT -5
Another overnight ratings sh*tshow last night. 3.97, a series low for the Jodie era thus far.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Feb 3, 2020 10:09:43 GMT -5
After last weeks episode being quite good this was disappointing, the disease effects were nice at least.
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Post by thechase on Feb 4, 2020 7:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 4, 2020 8:01:43 GMT -5
especially the married couple ..... better off being brothers imo Mmhmm...
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Feb 6, 2020 16:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Feb 6, 2020 16:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by MGH on Feb 6, 2020 17:03:27 GMT -5
My girlfriend got me to start watching Doctor Who from this beginning this past Fall (modern Who at least) and I'm just about to wrap up Tennant's run this weekend. I'm looking forward to getting to Matt Smith, but I say all that to say that I'm trying my best to avoid spoilers of the current season until I get to it ... someday. I just wanted to ask a general broad question. Even while avoiding plot spoilers online I can't avoid the near universal dissatisfaction I see for this current season. Without giving away too much, could you maybe give me a little info on what has caused the ratings and approval to plummet? I'm not expecting the show to maintain the highs of Eccelston and Tennant (and from what I gather, Smith) but I would very much like it to still be around when I finally get caught up and these ratings/reviews of it seem really poor.
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Post by thechase on Feb 7, 2020 2:48:58 GMT -5
My girlfriend got me to start watching Doctor Who from this beginning this past Fall (modern Who at least) and I'm just about to wrap up Tennant's run this weekend. I'm looking forward to getting to Matt Smith, but I say all that to say that I'm trying my best to avoid spoilers of the current season until I get to it ... someday. I just wanted to ask a general broad question. Even while avoiding plot spoilers online I can't avoid the near universal dissatisfaction I see for this current season. Without giving away too much, could you maybe give me a little info on what has caused the ratings and approval to plummet? I'm not expecting the show to maintain the highs of Eccelston and Tennant (and from what I gather, Smith) but I would very much like it to still be around when I finally get caught up and these ratings/reviews of it seem really poor. Some of the episodes don't feel like you need to see them more than once, and are boring on replays, there's also the issue with the companions as not many of them have been fleshed out all that well (though a few stories have tried to remedy that), and there's too much of The Doctor pulling weird facial expressions (gurning) and talking too much exposition. The series isn't that bad really, series 12 is probably the most exciting and daring series in over a decade (the current era you're on has it's own surprises, and I'm not taking anything away from that, but I do feel, quality wise, it went off the rails in worse ways), a lot of the other complaints have more to do with 'woke' politics and promoting 'unsubtle' environmental messages. Basically all stuff the classic series occasionally did at it's peak also.
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Post by MGH on Feb 7, 2020 9:00:13 GMT -5
My girlfriend got me to start watching Doctor Who from this beginning this past Fall (modern Who at least) and I'm just about to wrap up Tennant's run this weekend. I'm looking forward to getting to Matt Smith, but I say all that to say that I'm trying my best to avoid spoilers of the current season until I get to it ... someday. I just wanted to ask a general broad question. Even while avoiding plot spoilers online I can't avoid the near universal dissatisfaction I see for this current season. Without giving away too much, could you maybe give me a little info on what has caused the ratings and approval to plummet? I'm not expecting the show to maintain the highs of Eccelston and Tennant (and from what I gather, Smith) but I would very much like it to still be around when I finally get caught up and these ratings/reviews of it seem really poor. a lot of the other complaints have more to do with 'woke' politics and promoting 'unsubtle' environmental messages. Basically all stuff the classic series occasionally did at it's peak also. I won't know how over the top it is or isn't until I eventually get there, but if that's one of the huge complaints I find that interesting. Could be a product of the time we live in now as much as anything else, because you're right about them doing those same things way back when. The "Gridlock" episode back in series 3 may as well have been written by AOC and Bernie. Interesting, thanks for the heads up.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 7, 2020 9:05:58 GMT -5
a lot of the other complaints have more to do with 'woke' politics and promoting 'unsubtle' environmental messages. Basically all stuff the classic series occasionally did at it's peak also. I won't know how over the top it is or isn't until I eventually get there, but if that's one of the huge complaints I find that interesting. Could be a product of the time we live in now as much as anything else, because you're right about them doing those same things way back when. The "Gridlock" episode back in series 3 may as well have been written by AOC and Bernie. Interesting, thanks for the heads up. It's a writing style issue. Like Gridlock dealt with the issues through the story, more recent ones have had that, but also brought the episode to a screeching halt with a speech about how pollution is bad, but humans have the power to change it! Straight out of a Captain Planet episode.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 7, 2020 9:28:09 GMT -5
Part of Who's current ratings struggles is that while they can get temporary buzz, they can't seem to hold on to it consistently. The revival had the immediate celebrity of Billie Piper in series 1, with David Tennant really catching on with a broader audience in series 2, with the momentum from both carrying both on through series 4. The run of Matt Smith wasn't quite as prominent, but the show still had its popularity and his companions were also liked by the audience enough to keep up viewers.
Series 7 is when it felt like the show was struggling, though it was buoyed up by the hype of the 50th anniversary, which was a big pop culture event at the time. Ever since then though, a combination of showrunner burnout/inconsistent writing circa series 8-10 and the lack of real identity for the program in series 11 has taken a lot of the steam out of the show.
The woke/political complaints and their relation to the program's quality feels a bit overblown to me, at least in regards to why the show is struggling. DW under RTD could be remarkably unsubtle with its messages and have its aesops basically said directly from characters, but the fanbase was big enough that any such grumbling about that was drowned out by the positive & excited discussion about it. The sad truth is that the back forth arguments about DW's woke plots/political messages today (beyond your typical online clickbait/YouTube grifting) is that quite frankly there's nothing else interesting enough within the show to a lot of people that's worth talking about.
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Post by MGH on Feb 7, 2020 9:30:25 GMT -5
I won't know how over the top it is or isn't until I eventually get there, but if that's one of the huge complaints I find that interesting. Could be a product of the time we live in now as much as anything else, because you're right about them doing those same things way back when. The "Gridlock" episode back in series 3 may as well have been written by AOC and Bernie. Interesting, thanks for the heads up. It's a writing style issue. Like Gridlock dealt with the issues through the story, more recent ones have had that, but also brought the episode to a screeching halt with a speech about how pollution is bad, but humans have the power to change it! Straight out of a Captain Planet episode. That does sound annoying. I'm not a fan of a show beating you over the head with its message. I really got pushed during Supergirl two seasons ago with the Agent Liberty storyline. Whether you agree the message was on point or not, I think anyone could agree that it was the equivanlant of someone taking a giant Harley Quinn mallet with GOP and Liberal illustrations on it and crushing your skull in with it week to week.
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