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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:45:33 GMT -5
Rusev's response was hardly a vicious takedown, he just said that nobody cares what the guy tweeting him thinks. It's not even clear that he was endorsing his current storyline, he could be implying that he's tried to kill the angle, he knows the fans hate it, but none of those opinions matter because Vince wants it.. ...none of that’s in that tweet. Like, nothing resembling that. Nobody was also saying it WAS a vicious takedown, just dumb and unnecessary, which it was. Also people have pointed out this for years, for as good as AJ is, he’s very much a yes man. The only reason he stopped defending TNA and Dixie after years of obvious abuses in booking was because he wasn’t being paid anymore and had no need to ever go back there again.Quit hating.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:55:50 GMT -5
My whole argument is he isn't being cheered more though. If they'd had Rusev come back as a babyface without this stupid angle he'd be getting just as loud a reaction. And I think having his wife come out and make out with another man and talk about all the sex she's having with this other guy is embarrassing hugely to Rusev. We're going to have to agree to disagree because it looks like we have wildly different views on this whole thing. Yeah I disagree with that because if we look at this clip when he returned He's definitely not getting the responses he's getting compared to this current angle. And this also needs to be called attention to. The one guy he beat since returning was Mike "Does he even exist anymore?" Kanellis in a storyline originally intended to make Mike look like the biggest goober in all of gooberdom. That whole purpose of the storyline seemed to have no real motivation besides "Let's just beat Mike down as much as possible with no real payoff" before Mike snapped in real life and walked away. WWE can't do a cuckold storyline with Harper since they never had him in any romantic angles, so who's next on the totem pole as far as punching bags? Why, Rusev. So, the storyline intended for Kanellis was just put onto Rusev, and there doesn't seem to be a payoff other than Vince finding sadistic pleasure in seeing someone he doesn't "get" being beaten up and ritually humiliated week after week. With regards to the one user, it wasn't as if the user was being curt and abrasive about the angle and going that it needed to be off the f***ing air right away and that the talent involved were morons for taking part since most wrestlers don't have the ability to say "no" to things they are told to do as it's either doing the angle or it's unemployment; he just suggested that if WWE dropped the story (like they are notorious for doing), fans would most likely be willing to forget this whole thing ever happened. Rusev replying to said fan and taking him to task about complaining is the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 10:18:19 GMT -5
"The DEITY community??!!!"
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Post by abjordans on Nov 10, 2019 10:44:25 GMT -5
I could use a little more kayfabe here. I think that is a big difference with AEW and WWE to me right now, everyone in AEW’s answer to everything isn’t “I’m living my childhood dream”. The wins and losses matter and they don’t acknowledge it is all a show.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 10, 2019 11:05:34 GMT -5
Cedric Alexander isn't really being buried. He was never especially pushed to begin with. It's not a burial when a marginal guy loses to someone that is a top star.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 11:18:35 GMT -5
That RUSEV vs. Mike Kanellis is the modern times best example of one sided beatdown, not even commentary gave any remorse! That's why it's such a great gem in retrospect.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 10, 2019 12:21:35 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets the feeling that the wrestlers are being..."encouraged"...to respond to news/criticism (regardless of amount of truth present), particularly after the Crown Jewel fiasco? You beat me to it; something stinks here. This is almost feeling like a company directive to basically undo Meltzer’s status as the guy with the best sources within WWE; makes me wonder if they’re coordinating bad sourcing to throw him off their trail on a few different fronts or just having more and more talent rag on him publicly and using that to say “Look, see?! He’s making EVERYTHING up!” No proof of that, obviously, but this is getting ridiculous.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 10, 2019 12:25:19 GMT -5
Cedric Alexander isn't really being buried. He was never especially pushed to begin with. It's not a burial when a marginal guy loses to someone that is a top star. I'm legit not sure what word to use for his, uh, "push." What do you call it when someone's given a chance for more exposure (the only one they'll ever get or at least will get for a while) but it's done so badly and so bizarrely that it becomes entirely plausible the point was to make him look stupid?
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 10, 2019 13:44:28 GMT -5
Cedric Alexander isn't really being buried. He was never especially pushed to begin with. It's not a burial when a marginal guy loses to someone that is a top star. I'm legit not sure what word to use for his, uh, "push." What do you call it when someone's given a chance for more exposure (the only one they'll ever get or at least will get for a while) but it's done so badly and so bizarrely that it becomes entirely plausible the point was to make him look stupid? I heard the term "defining down" used when AJ lost to Chris Jericho on free TV in early 2016, in that it looked like it had defined AJ as a dude that was going to be midcard for his WWE Career instead of being a main event star, though that proved to be wrong.
But "defined down" I think can work in this case. Those matches with AJ have pretty much told the audience that Cedric isn't ever going to be a big deal, and with him having no character or promo time, that's all WWE have told about him.
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Post by nate5054 on Nov 10, 2019 13:57:14 GMT -5
They might be good with it.
Here's the thing though. If I heard an interview from either of them when they are no longer employed by WWE, er sorry, independently contracted by WWE, and they said they hated these gimmicks, I would be shocked, just shocked, that they say something different when they aren't independently contracted by them.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 10, 2019 14:08:17 GMT -5
Dude hasn’t won a match on Raw since August and has had zero promo time or character time.
Maybe he’s not buried in the Triple H sense, but he’s certainly a non factor except for maybe being on the new Wheel of Aggression for some heel they really care about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:08:34 GMT -5
The whole Vince burying Cedric thing sounded like BS that someone told Meltzer so he'd report it and it would get fans to cheer for him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:09:42 GMT -5
Cedric Alexander isn't really being buried. He was never especially pushed to begin with. It's not a burial when a marginal guy loses to someone that is a top star. I'm legit not sure what word to use for his, uh, "push." What do you call it when someone's given a chance for more exposure (the only one they'll ever get or at least will get for a while) but it's done so badly and so bizarrely that it becomes entirely plausible the point was to make him look stupid? The Buddy Murphy special.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:14:22 GMT -5
lol whatever.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Nov 10, 2019 15:00:01 GMT -5
On the subject, I'm not sure why fans expect wrestlers to care what they think? Like, if you were walking down the street and someone came up to you and said all this spiteful and uncalled for shit to you, you'd just either brush it off or call that person whatever insult you like.
So, yeah, I don't blame wrestlers for not caring about some fans, why the hell should they? What makes their opinion so special if you've never met them? Why, because they're fans and, thus, are entitled as f*** and believe that wrestlers should treat them like they're gods gift to everything because they're a 'fan' of wrestling?
I'm not even a wrestler and I don't blame wrestlers for not having a high opinion of some wrestling fans. Can you blame them?? Speaking as a wrestling fan, we can be total assholes, so why should we surprised when wrestlers talk to fans like shit when fans also talk to wrestlers like shit?
Or are we just the only ones who are allowed to talk to wrestlers like absolute crap, but when a wrestler does the same thing, people are like "OMG, HOW DARE YOU INSULT ME AFTER I'VE INSULTED YOU?! ONLY I CAN INSULT YOU! I PAY FOR YOUR HOUSE!!"
What other industry has fans with the audacity to say "How dare you get offended and insult me after I insulted you?!"
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 10, 2019 16:38:08 GMT -5
WWE is a very well paid cult where anyone not WWE is wrong. Damn shame.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 10, 2019 16:43:07 GMT -5
If wrestlers are OK with shitty booking, then there's no reason for fans to care. Just find other things to do with the hours you would otherwise waste watching it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 19:23:37 GMT -5
Yeah I disagree with that because if we look at this clip when he returned He's definitely not getting the responses he's getting compared to this current angle. And this also needs to be called attention to. The one guy he beat since returning was Mike "Does he even exist anymore?" Kanellis in a storyline originally intended to make Mike look like the biggest goober in all of gooberdom. That whole purpose of the storyline seemed to have no real motivation besides "Let's just beat Mike down as much as possible with no real payoff" before Mike snapped in real life and walked away. WWE can't do a cuckold storyline with Harper since they never had him in any romantic angles, so who's next on the totem pole as far as punching bags? Why, Rusev. So, the storyline intended for Kanellis was just put onto Rusev, and there doesn't seem to be a payoff other than Vince finding sadistic pleasure in seeing someone he doesn't "get" being beaten up and ritually humiliated week after week. With regards to the one user, it wasn't as if the user was being curt and abrasive about the angle and going that it needed to be off the f***ing air right away and that the talent involved were morons for taking part since most wrestlers don't have the ability to say "no" to things they are told to do as it's either doing the angle or it's unemployment; he just suggested that if WWE dropped the story (like they are notorious for doing), fans would most likely be willing to forget this whole thing ever happened. Rusev replying to said fan and taking him to task about complaining is the issue. Mike "Even Van Matthews doesn't care what I'm good with" Kanellis
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 11, 2019 2:57:40 GMT -5
It really feels like people in WWE right now are at their lowest point morale wise. I can't remember a time when shit was this tense and this spiteful between both fans and wrestlers alike.
I'm sure wrestlers wanna stand up for their stuff for multiple reasons, not wanting to piss anyone off, actually being glad they're being used, etc., but stuff like the Rusev comment is telling. There has been so much tension just this year alone that I don't know how much more there is gonna be before there is a complete and utter break.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 11:55:17 GMT -5
You know, I've been seeing some people giving AJ props for being different than a lot of the other superstars. Even in this thread people got a bit upset at someone calling him a Yes Man. I've been telling yall that pretty much everyone in the company thinks the same and well...
That's far more ruthless than Rusev and that's more ruthless than anything Seth's said. It doesn't matter who's right, what's mattered is what's stated. People were giving props for AJ in that "Saudi locker room" talk when yeah he's the same as everyone.
That's just their mentality in the locker room.
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