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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 2, 2020 14:41:49 GMT -5
Slick Rick is absolutely a top 20 GOAT, and that's even getting docked points for his misogyny. He should be remembered for The Art Of Storytelling just as much as he is for his old stuff, and if it weren't for the baggage of being old, he could absolutely come out with a top album now. There's no beats he wouldn't sound like fire rapping over.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 2, 2020 14:42:39 GMT -5
I think that’s an apt comparison. Little less emo lyrics, little crunchier with the guitars and production. This is gonna sound like a weird bit but well, they also looked more like a death metal band than a pop punk band, which probably got them some points from the neckbeards who actually cared about that. Seriously, if Mitch Lucker didn't look like the missing member of Simple Plan, people probably wouldn't have been so hard on Suicide Silence (well at least before that... whatever the f*** the self titled was supposed to be) I did notice Eddie Hermida dropped maybe 20 pounds and got a smart haircut around the time they announced him as their singer. Metal/deathcore has always been built somewhat around the “strong enough for a man, but it’s clearly for a girl” dynamic. That’s not to cast aspersions on it’s quality, but to ignore the importance of image is wrong.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 2, 2020 14:47:54 GMT -5
I think my taste of music is all unpopular opinions, for the most part that is. I actually liked Limp Bizkit's first two albums a lot and still listen to a few of those tracks today. Honestly, for the most part I like a lot of nuMetal stuff. Korn and Spilknot being two of my favorites growing up. Which is funny to me considering my musical tastes are generally 60s, 70s, and 80s rock - Rolling Stones, Bad Company, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Allman Brothers, Ozzy, bands like that. I just have a fairly eclectic taste in music I guess.
Another unpopular opinion, I'm not that big of a fan of Weird Al and I'd honestly rather listen to the original songs rather than his parodies.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 2, 2020 14:56:00 GMT -5
I think my taste of music is all unpopular opinions, for the most part that is. I actually liked Limp Bizkit's first two albums a lot and still listen to a few of those tracks today. Honestly, for the most part I like a lot of nuMetal stuff. Korn and Spilknot being two of my favorites growing up. Which is funny to me considering my musical tastes are generally 60s, 70s, and 80s rock - Rolling Stones, Bad Company, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Allman Brothers, Ozzy, bands like that. I just have a fairly eclectic taste in music I guess. Another unpopular opinion, I'm not that big of a fan of Weird Al and I'd honestly rather listen to the original songs rather than his parodies. I wouldn’t say Three Dollar Bill Y’all is a classic or anything, but if it’d flown under the radar instead of blowing up I think the band as a whole would be way more fondly remembered. On a similar note.... take away Buttefly as the bubblegum pop single, and I think Crazy Town’s first album is actually pretty good...
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Post by Shy Guy on May 2, 2020 15:05:26 GMT -5
I've been listening to a ton of nu metal/screamo while baking lately. Ohio is for Lovers is still a banger
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Post by Jaws the Shark on May 3, 2020 7:49:45 GMT -5
I don't really like the Beatles that much. I don't dislike all of their output, there's a lot of stuff of theirs that I really enjoy, but on the whole I'm not as enamoured with them as a lot of other people, and as I feel as if I probably should be. I find their lyrics shallow and at times embarrassingly mawkish and pretentious. I don't think they ever made a flawless album, they all have at least one complete dud on them somewhere. I just flat-out don't like Sgt. f***ing Pepper's and I don't even think it's the best album of 1967 let alone ever. And as fascinated as I am by their status as pop culture icons, and I'm also extremely annoyed by the personality cults surrounding the members, the power of the Beatles brand, and overbearing Beatles bores. It's weird because there are other heavily hyped artists whose hype machines I got past and started to really like them, like Nirvana.
I have more but I need more time to really flesh out how I feel about them and articulate them properly. If I'm going to be angry about something I want to be informed and coherently angry.
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Post by King Boo on May 3, 2020 12:10:53 GMT -5
I don't really like the Beatles that much. I don't dislike all of their output, there's a lot of stuff of theirs that I really enjoy, but on the whole I'm not as enamoured with them as a lot of other people, and as I feel as if I probably should be. I find their lyrics shallow and at times embarrassingly mawkish and pretentious. I don't think they ever made a flawless album, they all have at least one complete dud on them somewhere. I just flat-out don't like Sgt. f***ing Pepper's and I don't even think it's the best album of 1967 let alone ever. And as fascinated as I am by their status as pop culture icons, and I'm also extremely annoyed by the personality cults surrounding the members, the power of the Beatles brand, and overbearing Beatles bores. It's weird because there are other heavily hyped artists whose hype machines I got past and started to really like them, like Nirvana. I have more but I need more time to really flesh out how I feel about them and articulate them properly. If I'm going to be angry about something I want to be informed and coherently angry. I adore the Beatles but the part in bold red? f*** that noise. Since you seem to want to make a more informed opinion, who knows, maybe you'll wind up finding an appreciation somewhere down the line. But if not? You don't really dig them and there's nothing wrong with that. Just as I don't want someone telling me I'm wrong for liking something, I sure as shit don't want someone telling me I'm wrong for *not* liking something. You do you, man.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 3, 2020 13:42:39 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure The Wheels on the Bus is just really repetitive.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on May 3, 2020 14:42:04 GMT -5
I adore the Beatles but the part in bold red? f*** that noise. Since you seem to want to make a more informed opinion, who knows, maybe you'll wind up finding an appreciation somewhere down the line. But if not? You don't really dig them and there's nothing wrong with that. Just as I don't want someone telling me I'm wrong for liking something, I sure as shit don't want someone telling me I'm wrong for *not* liking something. You do you, man. Yeah, it's weird, I don't think there's an artist in the history of pop music I'm as conflicted about as the Beatles. I'm "into" beat and baroque pop and a lot of their contemporaries, I'm a big fan of Beatles devotees like Big Star, and I find them interesting as part of the pop culture of that era, but something just doesn't click. I've reevaluated them a few times, I own Beatles records, there's plenty of their stuff I like, but that's sort of as far as it goes.
I think it's the hype machine, I've spent so much of my life being told how brilliant and revolutionary they were, and then when I don't feel that way about them it's as if I'm missing something or listening wrong. Perhaps it's because I wasn't there, or I'm expecting too much, I don't know. It's the same with the Sex Pistols, I don't like them that much either and even when I was a teenage punk rock fan I wasn't really a fan, but the hype machine for them isn't as powerful. Again, maybe it's because I wasn't there.
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Post by ihateeverythingnu on May 3, 2020 14:51:18 GMT -5
Devin Townsend is the most underappreciated musical genius in any genre in the past 40 years.
I know lots of people find his stuff weird or dislike the loyalty of his fanbase but, in my singular opinion, the guy is above basically anyone else on the planet in terms of musical ability, song craft, scope, genre hopping and the ability to emote in the music. I can associate basically all his records to moments in my life and identify with it all.
The guy should be a millionaire and instead he is basically skint because of the tour cancellation from Covid-19. It's a disgrace the music scene globally does not recognise the guy and we have the absolute dross making money in it that we do today.
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Post by King Boo on May 3, 2020 15:02:15 GMT -5
I adore the Beatles but the part in bold red? f*** that noise. Since you seem to want to make a more informed opinion, who knows, maybe you'll wind up finding an appreciation somewhere down the line. But if not? You don't really dig them and there's nothing wrong with that. Just as I don't want someone telling me I'm wrong for liking something, I sure as shit don't want someone telling me I'm wrong for *not* liking something. You do you, man. Yeah, it's weird, I don't think there's an artist in the history of pop music I'm as conflicted about as the Beatles. I'm "into" beat and baroque pop and a lot of their contemporaries, I'm a big fan of Beatles devotees like Big Star, and I find them interesting as part of the pop culture of that era, but something just doesn't click. I've reevaluated them a few times, I own Beatles records, there's plenty of their stuff I like, but that's sort of as far as it goes.
I think it's the hype machine, I've spent so much of my life being told how brilliant and revolutionary they were, and then when I don't feel that way about them it's as if I'm missing something or listening wrong. Perhaps it's because I wasn't there, or I'm expecting too much, I don't know. It's the same with the Sex Pistols, I don't like them that much either and even when I was a teenage punk rock fan I wasn't really a fan, but the hype machine for them isn't as powerful. Again, maybe it's because I wasn't there.
That's totally fair. It feels like lately people speak in such hyperbolic absolutes, when it's completely okay to land somewhere in the middle. I love a debate about stuff as much as the next person, but I've never seen a need to aggressively change anyone's mind or to hold it against them or anything. Never understood why people take such a hard headed stance over that kind of stuff, but *shrug*. Ultimately, most of what everyone talks about is subjective anyway. FWIW, I never really got into the Sex Pistols, either. I guess I'm kinda like you with the Beatles where there's stuff I like and I intellectually understand why people say it's important, but they just don't grab me. I'd much rather listen to the Ramones if I'm in a punk mood.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on May 3, 2020 15:55:50 GMT -5
That's totally fair. It feels like lately people speak in such hyperbolic absolutes, when it's completely okay to land somewhere in the middle. I love a debate about stuff as much as the next person, but I've never seen a need to aggressively change anyone's mind or to hold it against them or anything. Never understood why people take such a hard headed stance over that kind of stuff, but *shrug*. Ultimately, most of what everyone talks about is subjective anyway. FWIW, I never really got into the Sex Pistols, either. I guess I'm kinda like you with the Beatles where there's stuff I like and I intellectually understand why people say it's important, but they just don't grab me. I'd much rather listen to the Ramones if I'm in a punk mood. Absolutely. I can understand why people were into them, I own a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and there are things I like about it, but there's lots I don't. I've never liked that growing up in the UK they were the beginning and end of that whole thing for a lot of people, I remember having a lecturer at college talking about "punk rock like the Sex Pistols" and then stopping as if they invented it, were the only band to have ever played it, and it died after them. The Ramones and the Undertones did accessible rock and roll better, the Clash did angry and exciting better, the Buzzcocks did art college punk better, the Dead Kennedys did politics better.
I'm not even sure they were a time and place thing either. My uncles were part of that whole scene in the late seventies and ran with some of the musicians in it, they and my parents knew a couple of the Sex Pistols, but I don't think any of them would call themselves a big fan if a fan at all. I think they impressed a few of the right people and then dined out on their notoriety rather than doing anything especially revolutionary.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 3, 2020 16:33:35 GMT -5
The Sex Pistols sucked ass. The punk equivalent of early black metal acts who did/said offensive things for shock value to make up for their astounding lack of talent.
While I'm at it, I think we're in the best period for Black Metal right now. More brilliant and genre expanding albums have come out in the last 10 years than at any other point in the genre's history. And I say this as a guy who loves Emperor and Mayhem. The genre has finally grown up.
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Post by King Boo on May 3, 2020 17:24:41 GMT -5
That's totally fair. It feels like lately people speak in such hyperbolic absolutes, when it's completely okay to land somewhere in the middle. I love a debate about stuff as much as the next person, but I've never seen a need to aggressively change anyone's mind or to hold it against them or anything. Never understood why people take such a hard headed stance over that kind of stuff, but *shrug*. Ultimately, most of what everyone talks about is subjective anyway. FWIW, I never really got into the Sex Pistols, either. I guess I'm kinda like you with the Beatles where there's stuff I like and I intellectually understand why people say it's important, but they just don't grab me. I'd much rather listen to the Ramones if I'm in a punk mood. Absolutely. I can understand why people were into them, I own a copy of Never Mind the Bollocks and there are things I like about it, but there's lots I don't. I've never liked that growing up in the UK they were the beginning and end of that whole thing for a lot of people, I remember having a lecturer at college talking about "punk rock like the Sex Pistols" and then stopping as if they invented it, were the only band to have ever played it, and it died after them. The Ramones and the Undertones did accessible rock and roll better, the Clash did angry and exciting better, the Buzzcocks did art college punk better, the Dead Kennedys did politics better.
I'm not even sure they were a time and place thing either. My uncles were part of that whole scene in the late seventies and ran with some of the musicians in it, they and my parents knew a couple of the Sex Pistols, but I don't think any of them would call themselves a big fan if a fan at all. I think they impressed a few of the right people and then dined out on their notoriety rather than doing anything especially revolutionary.
Speaking as an admitted non-expert, I think it was just one of those perfect places, times, looks, etc things. All the parts just came together to create this short-lived thing that left a mark.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 3, 2020 18:02:29 GMT -5
The Sex Pistols are great if you like bands that can neither sing nor play their instruments.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 3, 2020 19:25:20 GMT -5
The Sex Pistols are great if you like bands that can neither sing nor play their instruments. I mean The Clash and Crass are both right there, why would you waste time in the Sex Pistols?
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on May 4, 2020 3:48:35 GMT -5
Ozzy isnt a good singer.
Great frontman---entertaining, shit loads of charisma, great presence. But I cant listen to his songs or Sabbath because his voice grates
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 4, 2020 7:22:28 GMT -5
Ozzy isnt a good singer. Great frontman---entertaining, shit loads of charisma, great presence. But I cant listen to his songs or Sabbath because his voice grates Imo his work with Sabbath is great because his nasally whine fits the music like a glove. But as he got older and booze started affecting him he basically devolved into a Muppet. You can basically write off his vocals entirely after Black Sabbath's 4th album. For this reason I've never been much of a fan of his solo material.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on May 4, 2020 8:35:21 GMT -5
Morrissey, as well as being a racist dickweasel also has the worst singing voice ever put on record.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 4, 2020 8:39:26 GMT -5
You're not allowed to call something the worst album ever until you've listened to Corey Goldman's Angelic 2 Tha Core for comparison. It truly is The Room of music.
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