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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 14, 2019 0:42:22 GMT -5
Nobody gave an absolute f*** about him vs Cody and no f***ing way should Cody been added to the match with him and Ibushi I gave a F***. In fact, I am more of a Cody fan then anyone on the NJPW roster. You are a one man army because Cody had one good match in NJPW and it was against Ibushi at WK in the "pretty boy battle" otherwise he was just there. His stalling style just did not get over and he refused to change.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2019 0:44:49 GMT -5
Nobody gave an absolute f*** about him vs Cody and no f***ing way should Cody been added to the match with him and Ibushi I gave a F***. In fact, I am more of a Cody fan then anyone on the NJPW roster. I totally did, too. Like, I liked Cody alright, but the angle got me way more into him and Omega than I was. I get that NJPW diehards, particularly *in* Japan, weren't keen on it, but I think that a lot of them were somewhat checked out on Kenny, anyway. He completed his chase, which was good, but they moved on to Naito and LIJ. That was the fire, and it was going to be no matter who Kenny was facing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 1:00:52 GMT -5
Knowing The Elite was leaving, having the rest of Bullet Club turn on them, and then not having them feud so they could put over the Tongans and Jay White as the "real" Bullet Club on The Elite's way out. Instead, the Elite guys just went on the Jericho Cruise and casually said "nah, we aren't in Bullet Club anymore. That Jay White's thing now." It made the Bullet Club look like losers that the popular guys just said "eh, you can have it" and Bullet Club hasn't recovered since. Don't get me wrong, I dig El Phamtasmo and Ishimori, but Bullet Club hardly seems like a threat now. KENTA joining did help a lot to reinvigorate things, but BC really do seem like they could use some new blood, probably someone with a Jay tie. I guess Hikuleo will be good as an addition whenever he comes back, on account of being huge, but that's also just adding to the Tongan portion of the Club and not something that'd bolster Jay so much. Couldn't disagree with you guys more. Honestly the Bullet Club feels stronger now than it has in years. The Elite really felt like they did a lot of damage to the BC brand, and intentionally overshadowed all the non-Elite members. 2019 has been a great year for the BC. Definitely agree that the Civil War story should've ended with a decisive "OG" victory. Granted, they won the NEVER titles and Tag titles off the Elite, but it would've been nice if Jay could've gotten a big win over Cody or Kenny.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 14, 2019 1:41:16 GMT -5
I gave a F***. In fact, I am more of a Cody fan then anyone on the NJPW roster. I totally did, too. Like, I liked Cody alright, but the angle got me way more into him and Omega than I was. I get that NJPW diehards, particularly *in* Japan, weren't keen on it, but I think that a lot of them were somewhat checked out on Kenny, anyway. He completed his chase, which was good, but they moved on to Naito and LIJ. That was the fire, and it was going to be no matter who Kenny was facing. Naito has always been more popular than Omega in Japan. It wasn’t so much that they moved on from Omega as they were happy his title win was out of the way.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 14, 2019 2:15:58 GMT -5
Omega's still arguably the most popular gaijin wrestler in Japan, but Naito is one of the most popular wrestlers, period over there. Only guy that really outshines him in that department is Okada.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2019 2:55:32 GMT -5
Omega's still arguably the most popular gaijin wrestler in Japan, but Naito is one of the most popular wrestlers, period over there. Only guy that really outshines him in that department is Okada. Right, pretty much. I'd have personally not put Cody in the three way, I'll readily agree with that one, though the Dominion match made sense given they were in the States and it was the payoff too the hostility.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 14, 2019 3:01:23 GMT -5
Most popular wrestlers in Japan at the moment are probably Naito, Okada, Tanahashi. and Ikemen. Nakamura still gets a huge ton of love.
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 14, 2019 4:21:33 GMT -5
Most popular wrestlers in Japan at the moment are probably Naito, Okada, Tanahashi. and Ikemen. Nakamura still gets a huge ton of love. Never underestimate the jacket people!
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2019 4:40:22 GMT -5
Most popular wrestlers in Japan at the moment are probably Naito, Okada, Tanahashi. and Ikemen. Nakamura still gets a huge ton of love. SANADA's also hideously popular, which I both get and don't. Big, good looking, talented if not as polished as a lot of these other guys, but he's also got such bizarre fashion sensibilities. I guess that might work to his benefit.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 14, 2019 6:06:35 GMT -5
Most popular wrestlers in Japan at the moment are probably Naito, Okada, Tanahashi. and Ikemen. Nakamura still gets a huge ton of love. Never underestimate the jacket people! If you showed an alien an Ikemen entrance at Korakuen or Sumo Hall they’d be convinced he’s the biggest wrestling star going lol Although they wouldn’t be far off =P
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Post by eJm on Nov 14, 2019 6:09:00 GMT -5
Well, since the "specific examples" bit is included, we must talk about the career of a very important man. Bob Sapp had a New Japan run while he was still in the prime of his MMA career and hadn't become a walking meme yet Bob Sapp was not very good at wrestling Bob Sapp has wins over dudes like Great Muta and Kensuke Sasaki Bob Sapp is a former IWGP champ Bob Sapp never actually lost the IWGP title -- he had to vacate it because he had a fight in K1 against Kazuyuki Fujita and Fujita beat the shit out of him for 2 minutes straight ... You have made a great, GREAT enemy today. No, I don't care if that's all true and is perfectly reasonable in the context of this thread, NOBODY BASHES BOB SAPP, THE KING OF MEN!
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Post by AwamoriRock on Nov 14, 2019 6:36:54 GMT -5
Most popular wrestlers in Japan at the moment are probably Naito, Okada, Tanahashi. and Ikemen. Nakamura still gets a huge ton of love. SANADA's also hideously popular, which I both get and don't. Big, good looking, talented if not as polished as a lot of these other guys, but he's also got such bizarre fashion sensibilities. I guess that might work to his benefit. I’m not big on SANADA as I’ve said before but his popularity is undeniable and silly not to tap into, for his sake I hope an IC run happens in 2020.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 14, 2019 9:23:14 GMT -5
KENTA joining did help a lot to reinvigorate things, but BC really do seem like they could use some new blood, probably someone with a Jay tie. I guess Hikuleo will be good as an addition whenever he comes back, on account of being huge, but that's also just adding to the Tongan portion of the Club and not something that'd bolster Jay so much. Couldn't disagree with you guys more. Honestly the Bullet Club feels stronger now than it has in years. The Elite really felt like they did a lot of damage to the BC brand, and intentionally overshadowed all the non-Elite members. 2019 has been a great year for the BC. Definitely agree that the Civil War story should've ended with a decisive "OG" victory. Granted, they won the NEVER titles and Tag titles off the Elite, but it would've been nice if Jay could've gotten a big win over Cody or Kenny. This is the first time BC has felt like truly hated heels since A.J. left.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 14, 2019 13:47:08 GMT -5
I think KENTA added a lot to the stable when he joined. He gives them both a breath of fresh air and a great veteran presence and the credibility that goes with that. Also helps that Jay White is so good at playing a truly detestable piece of shit, though I do think they rushed him to the IWGP Heavyweight Championship before he was ready. IC Championship is a great fit for him, though.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 14, 2019 14:01:52 GMT -5
I think KENTA added a lot to the stable when he joined. He gives them both a breath of fresh air and a great veteran presence and the credibility that goes with that. Also helps that Jay White is so good at playing a truly detestable piece of shit, though I do think they rushed him to the IWGP Heavyweight Championship before he was ready. IC Championship is a great fit for him, though. Well, I think he was ready for the IWGP title win. Not to say he deserved a long run with it but having him win it and mirror Okada was the best way to go about it. You've shown he can do it and the next time he gets it he will get a proper run for sure but the IC title is def his best level so far since he still gets to interact with big name players without having the pressure of the HW title I do think he is the early favorite to win the 2020 G1
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 14, 2019 14:17:38 GMT -5
Nobody gave an absolute f*** about him vs Cody and no f***ing way should Cody been added to the match with him and Ibushi I gave a F***. In fact, I am more of a Cody fan then anyone on the NJPW roster. Bht in terms of the Japanese audience they really didnt care for it. And I honestly hated Codys NJPW run his wrestling style didnt fit in with the Japnese style. His AEW run is so much better
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Post by Cyno on Nov 14, 2019 14:28:28 GMT -5
I'm a big Cody fan and I liked his ROH work more than a lot of others apparently, but yeah. There was a styles clash in NJPW and he never really got over there. Though I liked his themed entrances with Brandi.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 14, 2019 14:49:04 GMT -5
Look at who cody worked though. Juice before he got over. Elgin. Finlay. Omega.
Gaijin vs Gaijin gets no love.
Even white vs ospreay got tepid reactions outside the finish.
Just how japanese fans operate.
You put cody vs jericho they will react.
You do cody vs mox and they will react.
You do cody vs tanahashi, ishii, okada, goto, naito, suzuki, taichi...he will get heat.
If cody would have signed up for a g1 we would probably view him differently
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 14, 2019 14:55:26 GMT -5
SANADA's also hideously popular, which I both get and don't. Big, good looking, talented if not as polished as a lot of these other guys, but he's also got such bizarre fashion sensibilities. I guess that might work to his benefit. I’m not big on SANADA as I’ve said before but his popularity is undeniable and silly not to tap into, for his sake I hope an IC run happens in 2020. Job him out to Ospreay you say? /Gedo
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 14, 2019 15:11:26 GMT -5
Look at who cody worked though. Juice before he got over. Elgin. Finlay. Omega. Cody worked with Juice, and that's how Juice got over more than Cody. That WrestleKingdom match is why Juice has risen up the ladder because his fire was crazy good and he outperformed Cody Cody worked with Okada and had a passable match when Okada was still white hot. He worked with Omega who is probably the best wrestler in the world and their matches weren't white hot. He worked with Ibushi which was his best match in NJPW His style just didn't fit and he had top class workers to work with. Up until AEW, I always said about Cody he can invest me in his match but watching it is still up in the air Cody can't work a G1 unless he has a story going all through it. Putting him in match after match is a losing bet
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