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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:06:11 GMT -5
Posting this because it kinda fits the thread So, the idea of having issues with the Collective costing Kris her title match after weeks of recruiting her is not constructive criticism?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:10:26 GMT -5
Guys who you have to be a super hardcore fan to know about getting surprise debuts while Excalibur vomits in to the mic about how he knows who they are is quickly becoming one of the worst things about AEW. Like, this was already awkward as hell when it happened with Blade & Butcher, and now they're doing it with a guy that's even more obscure. Gives me bad flashbacks to the WHAT'S ____ DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE era. Blade and Butcher, I feel like they didn't think "you'll know who this is", but they should have probably just not had Excalibur have a name for him if they didn't want him to further clarify, with the Blade thing. Just be like, "One of them's Allie's husband, but why are they here?" or something, and keep it mysterious, if you don't want to infodump. They went too far one way, not far enough the other. This one was just badly handled no matter how you slice it, though. The average, somewhat informed wrestling fan in America will likely know about Allie, & to a smaller extent, Braxton Sutter. I doubt they follow the history of Japanese deathmatch wrestling, making the introduction of Dr. Luther baffling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:14:43 GMT -5
I really like Brandi, but I really hate her in this role. The whole stable word work MUCH better if it was just a Heenan Family style collection of goons that she manages rather than with the whole dark cult overlay. Or even if she was doing that, she acted like Kevin Sullivan and they never explain why. Its been odd since the start of AEW she was a babyface when with Cody,a heel with the women and a babyface when doing charity stuff all on the same show. Dynamite starts she continues to be a face or heel depending whether Cody is present then after a few weeks she’s no longer with Cody and she’s just randomly a weird mix of Papa Shango & Straight Edge Society CM Punk and Cody the company’s top babyface doesn’t care that his wife has gone crazy.I wish AEW had a live 2 hour wednesday night show on a channel like TNT where they could tell these characters stories step by step instead of them coming up with an idea and immediately skipping to the end.
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Post by wankah on Jan 9, 2020 11:16:52 GMT -5
The whole thing was shit to begin with and it has just gotten worse ever since.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:18:06 GMT -5
Posting this because it kinda fits the thread So, the idea of having issues with the Collective costing Kris her title match after weeks of recruiting her is not constructive criticism? Constructive criticism for Omega and The Bucks seems to be “Everything you do is awesome..why are you so awesome?...I fear you might be too awesome for the world...Keep being awesome!”.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:21:15 GMT -5
So, the idea of having issues with the Collective costing Kris her title match after weeks of recruiting her is not constructive criticism? Constructive criticism for Omega and The Bucks seems to be “Everything you do is awesome..why are you so awesome?...I fear you might be too awesome for the world...Keep being awesome!”. "You seem to have the momentum of a runaway freight train..." Again, this division is just beginning. Bad habits are hard to shake once they take hold.
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Post by markymark on Jan 9, 2020 11:26:05 GMT -5
So, the idea of having issues with the Collective costing Kris her title match after weeks of recruiting her is not constructive criticism? Constructive criticism for Omega and The Bucks seems to be “Everything you do is awesome..why are you so awesome?...I fear you might be too awesome for the world...Keep being awesome!”. Even the very casuals fans dislike the Nightmare Collective, and they seemed to dig the Dark Order segment and the DDP one.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 9, 2020 11:29:36 GMT -5
So, the idea of having issues with the Collective costing Kris her title match after weeks of recruiting her is not constructive criticism? Constructive criticism for Omega and The Bucks seems to be “Everything you do is awesome..why are you so awesome?...I fear you might be too awesome for the world...Keep being awesome!”. Im sure you have great insight and sources about their critiscism. Im just glad they dont go " fans are stupid" with a wide brush.At same time dont talk about critiscism like that,makes you look bad. But at same time he at very least says there is critiscism to be had which is good.They always say they are looking for and have show so far. The next big test if they do listen is what they do about Brandi. While Im sure there is plenty of " BRANDI IS SLEEPING WITH CODY" comment there is plenty of legit about the Collective.It wi be a true test of ego and personality
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:30:20 GMT -5
Constructive criticism for Omega and The Bucks seems to be “Everything you do is awesome..why are you so awesome?...I fear you might be too awesome for the world...Keep being awesome!”. "You seem to have the momentum of a runaway freight train..." Again, this division is just beginning. Bad habits are hard to shake once they take hold. Its bad cause this Brandi stuff has been bad since they started it but they keep double,triple and quadrupling down on it.The women’s division started poorly but had been seemingly improving with Statlander,Swole,Shanna and a few others and now you kill whatever momentum they gained by involving them in this garbage and having Brandi bury the entire division. I always thought Brandi’s best role was as Cody’s valet she added to his presentation in a big way and they looked great together.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 9, 2020 11:34:35 GMT -5
"You seem to have the momentum of a runaway freight train..." Again, this division is just beginning. Bad habits are hard to shake once they take hold. Its bad cause this Brandi stuff has been bad since they started it but they keep double,triple and quadrupling down on it.The women’s division started poorly but had been seemingly improving with Statlander,Swole,Shanna and a few others and now you kill whatever momentum they gained by involving them in this garbage and having Brandi bury the entire division. I always thought Brandi’s best role was as Cody’s valet she added to his presentation in a big way and they looked great together. Honestly, her just managing Kong would be better. No faction or bs like that but Brandi as her mouthpiece would be fine I think.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 9, 2020 11:36:47 GMT -5
There is plenty of things they have changed on critics about the woman division so far.To pretend otherwise is willfully ignorant. They toned down Britt Bakers dominance, they have tried to get some more talent with focus on storyline and more present talent.Between last week and this week they have tried to apply the same booking and focus on story ,even if this week they failed miserably.
So yeh while it was still pretty bad,there has been changes based on critic
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:36:59 GMT -5
Constructive criticism for Omega and The Bucks seems to be “Everything you do is awesome..why are you so awesome?...I fear you might be too awesome for the world...Keep being awesome!”. Im sure you have great insight and sources about their critiscism. Im just glad they dont go " fans are stupid" with a wide brush.At same time dont talk about critiscism like that,makes you look bad. But at same time he at very least says there is critiscism to be had which is good.They always say they are looking for and have show so far. The next big test if they do listen is what they do about Brandi. While Im sure there is plenty of " BRANDI IS SLEEPING WITH CODY" comment there is plenty of legit about the Collective.It wi be a true test of ego and personality This Brandi stuff has been universally considered bad for 3 months now every week and they keep doing it.That sure is listening to the fans.
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Post by eJm on Jan 9, 2020 11:43:49 GMT -5
Posting this because it kinda fits the thread So seeing this properly (work doesn't allow us to see tweets)...how exactly did people get "Man, we only listen to positive criticism, f*** the rest of them" from this?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:48:13 GMT -5
Its bad cause this Brandi stuff has been bad since they started it but they keep double,triple and quadrupling down on it.The women’s division started poorly but had been seemingly improving with Statlander,Swole,Shanna and a few others and now you kill whatever momentum they gained by involving them in this garbage and having Brandi bury the entire division. I always thought Brandi’s best role was as Cody’s valet she added to his presentation in a big way and they looked great together. Honestly, her just managing Kong would be better. No faction or bs like that but Brandi as her mouthpiece would be fine I think. That could work.She’s well spoken and comes across very intelligent in interviews in the media.I know Kong is pretty banged up and I hope this stuff isn’t to distract from the fact that she can’t do much anymore as well as give Brandi something to do.If that’s the case put Nyla Rose or another monster heel with Brandi.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:53:09 GMT -5
I have not watched this segment and the way it is recieved I likely wont waste my time with it but I always figured this nightmare collective thing from the very first promo with Brandis reveal was always going to fail inevitably with Brandi at the helm because the woman just cannot act and giving her an actual character was just speeding things up.
She was perfectly fine as Codys wife and valet where that is all she had to be.
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Post by Facetious on Jan 9, 2020 11:54:34 GMT -5
Posting this because it kinda fits the thread So seeing this properly (work doesn't allow us to see tweets)...how exactly did people get "Man, we only listen to positive criticism, f*** the rest of them" from this? People have created this narrative that the Bucks and Kenny love themselves and will use any little thing to solidify that idea. I think they need a new voice for the women's division. Kenny has a decent eye for talent, but his work has been lackluster.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 9, 2020 11:54:40 GMT -5
Posting this because it kinda fits the thread So seeing this properly (work doesn't allow us to see tweets)...how exactly did people get "Man, we only listen to positive criticism, f*** the rest of them" from this? Because people see what they want to see in cases like this rather than what's actually there.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 9, 2020 11:57:57 GMT -5
Posting this because it kinda fits the thread So seeing this properly (work doesn't allow us to see tweets)...how exactly did people get "Man, we only listen to positive criticism, f*** the rest of them" from this? It's a stock attack for any occasion! But seriously, when Kenny is getting personally tagged in a sea of accusations that he is sleeping with Riho, as well as racist comments about Emi Sakura and transphobic crap about Nyla Rose...this is the only sane position to take.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2020 12:06:31 GMT -5
I missed NXT and AEW tonight Was Brandi segment really that bad? Essentially it started off with Brandi doing commentary for Riho / Statlander and just shitting all over everything, especially burying Statlander's gimmick, and then Kong and Cruise came out and started openly attacking both of them in front of the referee who did nothing about it. Then some guy came from under the ring looking like a chubby Quan Chi and the commentators just did the, "We know who that is!" thing, then the heels were beaten down and the match continued, until they got back up and grabbed Statlander's feet to screw her over because reasons. Then the heels attacked both of them until the other faces (including Shida, who was at ringside the whole time and just not doing anything to help) made the save. She buried them? That's unacceptable and I hope someone talks to her on that because as a supposed leader that is not what you do
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2020 12:07:22 GMT -5
I missed NXT and AEW tonight Was Brandi segment really that bad? It all comes down to preference but it was more like a segment bundled together than it being a “worst of all time” people elsewhere laud it as. Bad? Oh no doubt. Idc about worst of all time, that's hyperbole Is it the worst AEW segment thus far in their run is a more fair question?
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