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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 9, 2020 20:21:35 GMT -5
Honestly, her just managing Kong would be better. No faction or bs like that but Brandi as her mouthpiece would be fine I think. And that would have likely been effective; Brandi and the monster she controlled. I don't think the Elite is tone-deaf to criticism about things that suck. Early on, I was afraid the division was just going to be about Riho and Britt Baker, and the past few weeks, they have managed to build around more talent instead of putting all their energy in those two, and it seems like they are taking the negative blowback towards the Britt superpush (especially from the Indianapolis show) as a means for a heel turn, which should help her develop a character and reestablish her as a viable top babyface down the road. The problem is... Brandi, and I doubt they're going to tell Cody that his wife just plain sucks and is a complete boob at everything when it comes to wrestling. Not because it's gonna hurt Cody's feelings, but because I think Brandi's likely oblivious to that reality and to convince her otherwise will require more effort, apparently, than just continuing on with whatever this is. However, that's the problem. They really need to 86 this. This is my big concern right now. AEW has been pretty good so far about addressing and fixing problems, but I'm afraid that because Brandi is Cody's wife, no one is gonna take her aside and tell her what she's doing wrong.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 9, 2020 20:25:30 GMT -5
Can I get some info on what happen, didn’t watch.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 9, 2020 20:30:13 GMT -5
I have nothing against any of the NC members - I'm sure they all have better gimmicks/angles in them - this one just ain't it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 9, 2020 20:31:47 GMT -5
Can I get some info on what happen, didn’t watch. Riho defended her title against Kris Statlander, with Brandi on commentary. Halfway through, Awesome Kong and Melanie Cruise run in and start interfering, then Luther (who Excalibur identified and just barely mentioned who he was) shows up to beat Kris up. Somehow, the ref hasn’t called off the match through all of this, and it continues. Then Riho retains after the Nightmare Collective “helps” her. Post-match then turns into a schmozz.
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Post by chrom on Jan 9, 2020 20:34:52 GMT -5
Can I get some info on what happen, didn’t watch. Riho was defending the Women's Title against Kris Statlender. Brandi joined commentary for the match, she was terrible at it, blatantly burying the two and sneering at Excalibur whenever he tried to focus on the match as she only talked about herself.
During it, Kong and Mel came down and interfered during the match and Brandi got involved as well making the whole match a cluster. When Kris got ready to take Brandi out, the bald guy we've seen the back of during her segments appeared and other than his name which was Luther, nothing was noted about him.
All in all, ruined what was a match people had been wanting to see as the reaction to it has been super negative.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 9, 2020 20:44:57 GMT -5
This was their James Ellsworth MITB moment. Using the women's division to focus on a guy who's never going to get anybody over.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2020 20:45:21 GMT -5
Upside here? Nightmare Collective's segment had no effect on AEW. They had a strong ratings showing, and beat NXT soundly this week. I don't know if it'll have a trickle down effect from next week, but at the very least, this didn't turn fans away from the show, and they can hopefully try and get something salvaged at Bash at the Beach That's fine and dandy but my bigger problem is her burying people on commentary That's a no no. F*** the ratings and everything else between the "war", that is something in house and something you don't do. If she was a male or someone not in power, Jericho would have chewed her out for that in the same way he supposedly did a few weeks ago to Lucha Bros
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 9, 2020 20:48:52 GMT -5
Upside here? Nightmare Collective's segment had no effect on AEW. They had a strong ratings showing, and beat NXT soundly this week. I don't know if it'll have a trickle down effect from next week, but at the very least, this didn't turn fans away from the show, and they can hopefully try and get something salvaged at Bash at the Beach That's fine and dandy but my bigger problem is her burying people on commentary That's a no no. F*** the ratings and everything else between the "war", that is something in house and something you don't do. If she was a male or someone not in power, Jericho would have chewed her out for that in the same way he supposedly did a few weeks ago to Lucha Bros She definitely needs to be told about that, and I'm sure she was or hopefully will be. She in no way helped her group or anyone else in the division. Difference between being a heel and burying your angle and product, she didn't know it. I at the very least hope Cody told her about that, because there's no place for it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2020 20:53:02 GMT -5
That's fine and dandy but my bigger problem is her burying people on commentary That's a no no. F*** the ratings and everything else between the "war", that is something in house and something you don't do. If she was a male or someone not in power, Jericho would have chewed her out for that in the same way he supposedly did a few weeks ago to Lucha Bros She definitely needs to be told about that, and I'm sure she was or hopefully will be. She in no way helped her group or anyone else in the division. Difference between being a heel and burying your angle and product, she didn't know it. I at the very least hope Cody told her about that, because there's no place for it. I would hope so AEW is built on being able to be open and clear with everyone and I would think a vet like Jericho would speak up on that or at the very least people are going to Cody to get in his ear as a way to not go around him I would think is the last time that will happen as she should know better already
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 20:59:47 GMT -5
I think what most bugged me was her tearing into Statlander's gimmick. Like... Who is that supposed to benefit? People are willing to play along so long as you're straightfaced about it but it does nothing for anybody to start poking holes in it.
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Post by markymark on Jan 9, 2020 22:00:16 GMT -5
That's fine and dandy but my bigger problem is her burying people on commentary That's a no no. F*** the ratings and everything else between the "war", that is something in house and something you don't do. If she was a male or someone not in power, Jericho would have chewed her out for that in the same way he supposedly did a few weeks ago to Lucha Bros She definitely needs to be told about that, and I'm sure she was or hopefully will be. She in no way helped her group or anyone else in the division. Difference between being a heel and burying your angle and product, she didn't know it. I at the very least hope Cody told her about that, because there's no place for it.Well about that... We dont know them personally but it would really suck if Cody doesnt have the balls to tell her no/to stop about the Nightmare Collective.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 9, 2020 22:07:18 GMT -5
Can I get some info on what happen, didn’t watch. Here is something even better or worse, depending upon your point of view.
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Post by honsou on Jan 9, 2020 22:59:10 GMT -5
The only truly satisfying outcome is if the faces bring out Aja Kong to face Awesome Kong. Then all of this BS will be worth it
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Post by XIII on Jan 9, 2020 23:00:36 GMT -5
I missed it, but Brandi should definitely be a weather girl, stand around and look hot and chip in with some basic stuff. She’s an awful performer so not surprised to hear that she bombed a segment.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 9, 2020 23:08:33 GMT -5
I missed it, but Brandi should definitely be a weather girl, stand around and look hot and chip in with some basic stuff. She’s an awful performer so not surprised to hear that she bombed a segment. I want you to really think about what you just said. Also, no more posting in this thread for you.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 9, 2020 23:14:14 GMT -5
So, been thinking a bit, and...while Brandi's angle has been weak for a while and thus overshadows the other issues, there's a huge, glaring issue to me.
I have no freaking idea how Luther fits here.
Like, Excalibur tried to give us some quick background on him - enough that I can at least say, "OK, he's that kind of wrestler," even if I am not excited about him. The core issue is that I have no idea what Luther's existence means to this angle. The faces were already up against Awesome Kong and Melanie Cruise, for crying out loud - a big deathmatch guy backing those two up does not change the dynamic, only exaggerates it. Butcher and Blade had a more awkward debut, but Luther's debut was just so crushingly pointless because he added absolutely nothing but another big body to be chased off.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 9, 2020 23:14:55 GMT -5
I think what most bugged me was her tearing into Statlander's gimmick. Like... Who is that supposed to benefit? People are willing to play along so long as you're straightfaced about it but it does nothing for anybody to start poking holes in it. I thought her tearing into Britt was pretty damn bad too, since they went in the complete opposite direction at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 23:19:33 GMT -5
I think the biggest strength Brandi has as a performer is that she has a pretty good presence; she does have a way of making people feel like a big deal by associating with her and I do think that she added something to Cody's act that is missing without her.
So given that her leading a stable is a perfectly logical thing to do with her, it's a good use of her skillset. It's just... not like this.
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Post by markymark on Jan 9, 2020 23:44:59 GMT -5
So, been thinking a bit, and...while Brandi's angle has been weak for a while and thus overshadows the other issues, there's a huge, glaring issue to me. I have no freaking idea how Luther fits here. Like, Excalibur tried to give us some quick background on him - enough that I can at least say, "OK, he's that kind of wrestler," even if I am not excited about him. The core issue is that I have no idea what Luther's existence means to this angle. The faces were already up against Awesome Kong and Melanie Cruise, for crying out loud - a big deathmatch guy backing those two up does not change the dynamic, only exaggerates it. Butcher and Blade had a more awkward debut, but Luther's debut was just so crushingly pointless because he added absolutely nothing but another big body to be chased off. I believe Luther was brought in with the goal of putting over Sonny Kiss, management specially Dustin has said how he wanted to help Sonny to become a big star, feuding with Luther might help giving Sonny an edge imo.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 10, 2020 0:10:49 GMT -5
So, been thinking a bit, and...while Brandi's angle has been weak for a while and thus overshadows the other issues, there's a huge, glaring issue to me. I have no freaking idea how Luther fits here. Like, Excalibur tried to give us some quick background on him - enough that I can at least say, "OK, he's that kind of wrestler," even if I am not excited about him. The core issue is that I have no idea what Luther's existence means to this angle. The faces were already up against Awesome Kong and Melanie Cruise, for crying out loud - a big deathmatch guy backing those two up does not change the dynamic, only exaggerates it. Butcher and Blade had a more awkward debut, but Luther's debut was just so crushingly pointless because he added absolutely nothing but another big body to be chased off. I believe Luther was brought in with the goal of putting over Sonny Kiss, management specially Dustin has said how he wanted to help Sonny to become a big star, feuding with Luther might help giving Sonny an edge imo. He didn't get much of a focus, but Sonny was out there at ringside when the faces made the save. I think you've hit the nail on the head.
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