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Post by spagett on Jan 30, 2020 16:24:11 GMT -5
Also the directive to bite back at anything associated to the observer when possible is tiresome already. Here we got three wrestlers who can't get any TV time (I think Carmella was the most recently featured after several months in the phantom zone?) ready to jump down the throat of someone they apparently have never heard of, but suddenly are EXTREMELY offended by (yeah....sure). Whatever. Yep. It's so blatant too.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 30, 2020 16:25:14 GMT -5
Bleh, I hate this kind of stuff. Like, if they had actually directed those comments to Naomi I'd have her back 100%. Since they were talking about the booking, which I was annoyed with too with that spot, then I don't see validity on her part.
And then you get other wrestlers jumping to her defense, and, while it's just conjecture on my part, I have a feeling they probably leap to her defense without really knowing the context of the words. I have no problem sticking up for your friend and colleague but sometimes I know people do that in the heat of the moment. Carmella and Ali's comments are just annoying to me. Probably the same kinds of things I'll run into if I end up on the wrestling beat for a site down the road here. "You can't judge us because you never wrestled" kinds of comments bug me, same with people who the same things in other media as well.
Overall, let's just burn down social media as a whole and call it a day, scourge of humanity to me.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jan 30, 2020 16:38:30 GMT -5
The biggest question I have is why anyone with an actual position in the wrestling business pays any attention to Meltzer and the rest of the useless f***s he has spawned.
Like...these guys don't matter. 99% of them have never been in the business, and the 1 who has, has never done anything of note. Say what you want about Carmella and her abilities (I'm not a fan myself), but she's out there living the dream while these other douchebags have to scam people out of money with their "reporting".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 16:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Jan 30, 2020 16:53:27 GMT -5
The biggest question I have is why anyone with an actual position in the wrestling business pays any attention to Meltzer and the rest of the useless f***s he has spawned. Like...these guys don't matter. 99% of them have never been in the business, and the 1 who has, has never done anything of note. Say what you want about Carmella and her abilities (I'm not a fan myself), but she's out there living the dream while these other douchebags have to scam people out of money with their "reporting". If that is your ( and their) opinion then you can ignore then just fine.No need to interact Both man have sources that is a fact and meltzer is an walking wrestling reference But seriously this thread shouldnt be about meltzer at all in the first place,we have strayed so far from the first topic
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 16:53:49 GMT -5
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 30, 2020 17:11:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Naomi is in the wrong here. Her getting all bent out of shape over criticism isn't a good look. She said she didn't mind the criticism, more the tone (being called an MF'er and an idiot). But see, that's where she needs to separate character from reality. We all call Sting an idiot for trusting Ric Flair constantly, but we aren't actually calling Steve Borden an idiot. Same thing here. They weren't saying "Trinity Fatu, you personally suck you dumb mother f***er". They were saying "This Naomi character looks like an idiot just walking all over the set aimlessly instead of just getting back to the ring". Which is true.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 30, 2020 17:18:21 GMT -5
She said she didn't mind the criticism, more the tone (being called an MF'er and an idiot). But see, that's where she needs to separate character from reality. We all call Sting an idiot for trusting Ric Flair constantly, but we aren't actually calling Steve Borden an idiot. Same thing here. They weren't saying "Trinity Fatu, you personally suck you dumb mother f***er". They were saying "This Naomi character looks like an idiot just walking all over the set aimlessly instead of just getting back to the ring". Which is true. I mean for me like I said I don't blame her Just more so certain words you shouldn't use towards women in real life or in character when coming from a man
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 30, 2020 17:27:35 GMT -5
Was that "Mark and n word" tweet actually equating the terms, or saying how wrestlers were using them at a certain time, as in what the feeling/intent was behind it in that era? Still doesn't at all feel like a true statement, but it doesn't immediately read to me as "they're just as bad", unless there were other texts involved that add that context, which there may well be. Anyway, as for this topic, yeah, this feels like a huge nothingburger. I'll listen now and then to Alvarez's show, the annoyance is pretty much perpetually directed at the booking/writing, not the wrestlers. I can tell you as a black man, idgaf what is intentions were. Nothing in wrestling equates to the N word PERIOD!!! That word shouldn't have even entered his mouth to try to find an equivalent exchange
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 17:30:02 GMT -5
But see, that's where she needs to separate character from reality. We all call Sting an idiot for trusting Ric Flair constantly, but we aren't actually calling Steve Borden an idiot. Same thing here. They weren't saying "Trinity Fatu, you personally suck you dumb mother f***er". They were saying "This Naomi character looks like an idiot just walking all over the set aimlessly instead of just getting back to the ring". Which is true. I mean for me like I said I don't blame her Just more so certain words you shouldn't use towards women in real life or in character when coming from a man Yeah that's really the crux of the whole thing. Naomi wasn't responding about the criticism to her character, she was responding to the word choice. First and foremost you should show respect to others and saying "MFer" and acting like she's a "cavewoman" like they did didn't show respect even if it was towards her character. That comes before any criticism. You can disagree all you want but if you don't show respect then that criticism can't even be talked about. In this thread for example I'm seeing a lot of people say "well she was stupid there" but I'm seeing very little say "damn they shouldn't have said that about her" so it makes me wonder what happened to respecting people. I saw someone say "she should have separated her character and herself" earlier. If that's the case then why couldn't they show respect to her with their criticism? You mean to tell me they couldn't leave out those antics just to make a point? You mean it's not about Naomi but it's about the booker so why isn't she being mentioned? At the end of the day her comments are about respect. Had they been respectful, she wouldn't have responded. No matter if it's in character or not you show respect first and if you don't? Then shit, that's another story.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 30, 2020 17:34:57 GMT -5
I mean for me like I said I don't blame her Just more so certain words you shouldn't use towards women in real life or in character when coming from a man Yeah that's really the crux of the whole thing. Naomi wasn't responding about the criticism to her character, she was responding to the word choice. First and foremost you should show respect to others and saying "MFer" and acting like she's a "cavewoman" like they did didn't show respect even if it was towards her character. That comes before any criticism. You can disagree all you want but if you don't show respect then that criticism can't even be talked about. In this thread for example I'm seeing a lot of people say "well she was stupid there" but I'm seeing very little say "damn they shouldn't have said that about her" so it makes me wonder what happened to respecting people. I saw someone say "she should have separated her character and herself" earlier. If that's the case then why couldn't they show respect to her with their criticism? You mean to tell me they couldn't leave out those antics just to make a point? You mean it's not about Naomi but it's about the booker so why isn't she being mentioned? At the end of the day her comments are about respect. Had they been respectful, she wouldn't have responded. No matter if it's in character or not you show respect first and if you don't? Then shit, that's another story. When you address women of color there is a fine line between being disrespectful (like it would be against any woman) and potentially racist sensitivity No, i'm not saying they are racist. I'm saying shit can turn that way real fast if Naomi wanted to really raise hell about it or if any black woman gets described in a term they don't like
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 30, 2020 17:36:53 GMT -5
Of course people'll defend Alvarez, he's made his living hanging on Meltzer's coat-tails, so of course people are going to defend him. When did we start believing people who talk about wrestling instead of the people who actually wrestle for a living?!
Also, Bryan calling someone a Motherf***er for a dumb spot is something that Cornette would do, never go full Cornette, Bryan, you f***ing toady.
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Post by eJm on Jan 30, 2020 17:37:53 GMT -5
Of course people'll defend Alvarez, he's made his living hanging on Meltzer's coat-tails, so of course people are going to defend him. When did we start believing people who talk about wrestling instead of the people who actually wrestle for a living?! Also, Bryan calling someone a Motherf***er for a dumb spot is something that Cornette would do, never go full Cornette, Bryan, you f***ing toady. Except, again, it wasn’t Bryan that said it. It was the weird guy the keep having for Rumble reviews for some reason.
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Post by Perd on Jan 30, 2020 17:38:00 GMT -5
Naomi is such a phony. Always encouraging us to bring it to the floor. But then she takes extraordinary measures to avoid doing just that.
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Post by eJm on Jan 30, 2020 17:38:58 GMT -5
Let’s please move on from what Meltzer’s said in the past because that’s got nothing to do with the discussion right now.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 30, 2020 17:40:53 GMT -5
Welp like clockwork this seems like it is gonna just keep escalating f*** off, Dave, you absolute twat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 17:44:28 GMT -5
Yeah that's really the crux of the whole thing. Naomi wasn't responding about the criticism to her character, she was responding to the word choice. First and foremost you should show respect to others and saying "MFer" and acting like she's a "cavewoman" like they did didn't show respect even if it was towards her character. That comes before any criticism. You can disagree all you want but if you don't show respect then that criticism can't even be talked about. In this thread for example I'm seeing a lot of people say "well she was stupid there" but I'm seeing very little say "damn they shouldn't have said that about her" so it makes me wonder what happened to respecting people. I saw someone say "she should have separated her character and herself" earlier. If that's the case then why couldn't they show respect to her with their criticism? You mean to tell me they couldn't leave out those antics just to make a point? You mean it's not about Naomi but it's about the booker so why isn't she being mentioned? At the end of the day her comments are about respect. Had they been respectful, she wouldn't have responded. No matter if it's in character or not you show respect first and if you don't? Then shit, that's another story. When you address women of color there is a fine line between being disrespectful (like it would be against any woman) and potentially racist sensitivity No, i'm not saying they are racist. I'm saying shit can turn that way real fast if Naomi wanted to really raise hell about it or if any black woman gets described in a term they don't like Yeah, real quick. Especially given how that one dude was acting like a caveman, ugh. That's just crazy.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 30, 2020 17:44:33 GMT -5
God it feels like everyone but Lariato and Naomi were wrong in this whole charade. Bryan with them skinny braids has nothing to stand on calling anything ridiculous. And Mark needs to be more professional. Ali and Carmella gotta stop the whole "you can't criticize a wrestler" crap. Alvarez, despite his ridiculous "Robin from HIMYM came back from Argentina" braids, is a trained wrestler with a ton of experience. And if he wasn't, he can call the spot dumb. His friends definitely gotta tone it down though. And the Women's RR was great. I'd trust Ali's opinion over Alvarez's, Alvarez is more known for being Meltzer's yes man than he is for anything about his pro wrestling career.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 30, 2020 17:45:32 GMT -5
Of course people'll defend Alvarez, he's made his living hanging on Meltzer's coat-tails, so of course people are going to defend him. When did we start believing people who talk about wrestling instead of the people who actually wrestle for a living?! Also, Bryan calling someone a Motherf***er for a dumb spot is something that Cornette would do, never go full Cornette, Bryan, you f***ing toady. Except, again, it wasn’t Bryan that said it. It was the weird guy the keep having for Rumble reviews for some reason. Such a weird world we live in. At least this will get Bryan more views. He may have to cut his guest from coming back on the show or something. And the Meltz... idk. they're making money off marks, so who knows.
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Post by eJm on Jan 30, 2020 17:46:54 GMT -5
Except, again, it wasn’t Bryan that said it. It was the weird guy the keep having for Rumble reviews for some reason. Such a weird world we live in. At least this will get Bryan more views. He may have to cut his guest from coming back on the show or something. And the Meltz... idk. they're making money off marks, so who knows. I mean, this guy seems to cause some kind of weird fuss every year or at least split the people listening. It might change because of how extreme this has all gone but still.
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