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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 22, 2020 13:08:19 GMT -5
I won't miss him. Let Nightwing be Nightwing. Stop trying to kill him or drastically change him. Rebirth started so great and then they decided, "But what if Wally killed Roy and massacred a bunch of other people tooooooo?" I stand by my opinion that Heroes in Crisis was a really interesting idea that was horribly mishandled. It should’ve been a story about why it happened, not a pointless whodunnit that barely scratched the surface of the interesting concept the story was built upon. Wally having a speed force panic attack and unintentionally killing half a dozen people? There’s a damn interesting story to be told there, both in the lead up and fallout, it was just executed terribly. The actual incident isn’t the story, it’s everything else around it that’s actually the story. Terrible execution kills interesting ideas, unfortunately... Roy shouldn't have been killed. He's still dead, isn't he? |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 22, 2020 13:14:22 GMT -5
I stand by my opinion that Heroes in Crisis was a really interesting idea that was horribly mishandled. It should’ve been a story about why it happened, not a pointless whodunnit that barely scratched the surface of the interesting concept the story was built upon. Wally having a speed force panic attack and unintentionally killing half a dozen people? There’s a damn interesting story to be told there, both in the lead up and fallout, it was just executed terribly. The actual incident isn’t the story, it’s everything else around it that’s actually the story. Terrible execution kills interesting ideas, unfortunately... Roy shouldn't have been killed. He's still dead, isn't he? I’d be fine with killing Roy, admittedly rather indifferent to the character, if I felt there was any game plan or purpose to it beyond the shock value. Or if the story hadn’t sucked. But yeah, that was a total waste. And I think he’s still dead, but between Doomsday Clock, Justice/Doom War and Flash Forward DC has pulled all sorts of f***ery with the multiverse, and the timeline so he might be alive again and I missed it or they’re saving it for some big reveal or something. I’m really not sure. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 22, 2020 14:51:41 GMT -5
Was it him or Johns who was keen on depushing Rayner and West and bringing back the silver agers? All of them. Though apparently Wally is Geoff Johns' favorite character. Make of that what you will. While we're on the subject, I think one of the main problems in Heroes in Crisis (aside from excessive grimpderp and character derailment) is that THE SPEED FORCE DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY[/Morbo] |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 22, 2020 16:16:22 GMT -5
Was it him or Johns who was keen on depushing Rayner and West and bringing back the silver agers? All of them. Though apparently Wally is Geoff Johns' favorite character. Make of that what you will. While we're on the subject, I think one of the main problems in Heroes in Crisis (aside from excessive grimpderp and character derailment) is that THE SPEED FORCE DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY[/Morbo] Oh, that was the least of the problems. They’ve f***ed around with the Speed Force so much I’m honestly not even sure what it is or isn’t capable of, so that didn’t phase me at all. Hell, the past year or two of The Flash have basically been about how Barry doesn’t actually know f*** all about the Speed Force (or Sage Force, or whatever the hell the other two forces are) |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 23, 2020 2:54:04 GMT -5
I never really understood the hatred towards Didio. Unless the New 52 was his idea. Then I totally understand the hatred. That was his. Also - Eddie Berganza. Anything else Didio did as a businessman or creative force, he protected Eddie Berganza and he will always have that hanging on him like stink. |
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Post by thechase on Feb 23, 2020 4:08:44 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 23, 2020 10:47:10 GMT -5
Could Rob Liefeld be any more excited?
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Post by Fundertaker on Feb 23, 2020 13:25:10 GMT -5
Now Rob can draw all the feetless, pupil-less and way too muscular characters that he wants!
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Post by Cyno on Feb 23, 2020 14:56:03 GMT -5
People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Rob.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 23, 2020 16:49:24 GMT -5
My wife and I were talking about this earlier, and about just how many things he spearheaded that caused us to abandon the publishing side of DC.
- Ripping apart the married couples
- New 52
- Trying to bury Nightwing at least half a dozen times
- Completely burying beloved characters like Wally West for nearly a decade
- Bendis' vision for Superman
I think we said more, but that's enough to just make me realize how rotten he was in the role, at least for longtime readers. He didn't care what the fans wanted. He just wanted comics written for him.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 23, 2020 18:03:19 GMT -5
Most writers appear to be wishing Didio the best... (Liefeld being the only exception from what I've seen but maybe he should be focusing on those people he scammed instead of celebrating someone losing their job)
Could just be out of professional courtesy... or could be the disconnect between fans and workers
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 23, 2020 18:09:02 GMT -5
Most writers appear to be wishing Didio the best... (Liefeld being the only exception from what I've seen but maybe he should be focusing on those people he scammed instead of celebrating someone losing their job) Could just be out of professional courtesy... or could be the disconnect between fans and workers I'm curious if Alan Moore has chimed in on this yet? Whether I agree with him or not, his statements on these matters are usually... interesting. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 23, 2020 18:49:04 GMT -5
Most writers appear to be wishing Didio the best... (Liefeld being the only exception from what I've seen but maybe he should be focusing on those people he scammed instead of celebrating someone losing their job) Could just be out of professional courtesy... or could be the disconnect between fans and workers I'm curious if Alan Moore has chimed in on this yet? Whether I agree with him or not, his statements on these matters are usually... interesting. Considering he never worked with the guy he probably has nothing to say. |
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Post by eJm on Feb 23, 2020 19:23:32 GMT -5
Most writers appear to be wishing Didio the best... (Liefeld being the only exception from what I've seen but maybe he should be focusing on those people he scammed instead of celebrating someone losing their job) Could just be out of professional courtesy... or could be the disconnect between fans and workers Honestly, unless something really comes out (and outside the Eddie Barzanga stuff which does genuinely hurt his legacy more than anything else), might just seem like he’s a good guy to work with despite the direction he took the company creatively. Not to say it couldn’t be anything like that, just throwing that out there. |
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Post by mattperiolat on Feb 24, 2020 1:05:30 GMT -5
Gail Simone is being fairly taciturn given the ungodly amount of shit she dealt with from Didio and management.
For my part, I loved DC from Death of Superman to Brightest Day. Didn’t agree with every story (Identity Crisis being a big one, but between JSA, Starman, Young Justice, Flash, Superman, GL, I loved it all deeply.
Cry for Justice was where I felt things were going wrong. The increasing grimdark and just so much rage and anger with just bad writing. Brightest Day I loved and was so excited they might be about to fix so much... then Flashpoint. Then suddenly none of it mattered. Oh, I hung with, especially with GL, Aquaman, Morrison on Superman, Simone on Batgirl and an honest to Pete enjoyment on Superboy and the Ravagers spinoff. But in the end, it wasn’t going anywhere. It felt unfocused and I wasn’t enjoyed the books. So, I stopped. Literally all the books.
How much do I blame Didio for? I’m honestly uncertain, but I know his hand was in quite a bit, especially for some bad. So, respectfully, I’m OK with the departure. I just wish I knew it would get better.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 24, 2020 1:44:45 GMT -5
Gail Simone is being fairly taciturn given the ungodly amount of shit she dealt with from Didio and management. Which is weird, because I think she's normally a huge asshole on social media. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 24, 2020 2:27:55 GMT -5
Gail Simone is being fairly taciturn given the ungodly amount of shit she dealt with from Didio and management. Which is weird, because I think she's normally a huge asshole on social media. Can't say I agree with that opinion in the least. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 24, 2020 3:36:59 GMT -5
Which is weird, because I think she's normally a huge asshole on social media. Can't say I agree with that opinion in the least. I don't think I've ever seen her be anything but a sweetheart, with a silly trolling streak. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 24, 2020 5:27:21 GMT -5
Can't say I agree with that opinion in the least. I don't think I've ever seen her be anything but a sweetheart, with a silly trolling streak. I've only seen her try to incite gender wars. Granted I don't follow her, but during The Mandalorean's release schedule she kicked up some huge gender argument where there wasn't one, over an episode directed by a female no less. She also got into a big fight with Fabian Nicieza where he was making valid points, and her responses were basically just putting her fingers in her ears and going "lalala I'm right and you're wrong". Not a fan. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 7:54:06 GMT -5
Dang. I knew I shoulda posted this as its own thread instead of just posting in the Official Comic Book Thread.... ;p Terrible execution kills interesting ideas, unfortunately... Roy shouldn't have been killed. He's still dead, isn't he? Roy was seen in Flash Forward, but a different multiversal version of him. If he was spared, or if DC just decides now to resurrect many of these dead folks, maybe we'll see someday.... Could Rob Liefeld be any more excited? Liefeld was given a grand return to DC during the New 52 when they gave him 3 ongoings. One would think he'd be grateful but then I'm sure he blamed Didio for removing him from those books when he pretty much wrecked all 3 of them. |
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