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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2020 18:24:12 GMT -5
They could took out that last line saying they will address his future with the company when he finishes rehab. Makes it seem like they are willing to bring him back if she goes through all the steps Could have been worded a little better but the end all be all should be we take these allegations seriously and until further notice he will be off the roster until his rehab and our investigations conclude
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Post by Cyno on Jun 19, 2020 18:38:09 GMT -5
I think there's more merit to Havoc's rape accusation than "it's random anonymous accusation." The account that posted it was Jimmy's ex who made all the abuse allegations. I don't think she would've posted that if she didn't at least believe it herself.
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Post by AEW19 on Jun 19, 2020 18:42:18 GMT -5
I think this is the right move. It gives him time to try and sort his demons and it gives the company time to gather details.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jun 19, 2020 18:45:52 GMT -5
Strictly from a PR move this makes the most sense. He's essentially been suspended, and sending him to rehab minimises the chance of the dude just killing himself while his name is still attached to AEW. He'll more than likely be quietly cut in a couple of weeks.
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Post by markymark on Jun 19, 2020 18:49:10 GMT -5
I mean if the rehab doesnt help him improve as a person, he is a goner, simple.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 19, 2020 19:02:49 GMT -5
Strictly from a PR move this makes the most sense. He's essentially been suspended, and sending him to rehab minimises the chance of the dude just killing himself while his name is still attached to AEW. He'll more than likely be quietly cut in a couple of weeks. Depends on what they find out, if the accusation is true he's absolutely gonna be gone I feel. It's not like it will be a serious loss even though I felt like him and Sabian had really come into their own as a team, but there's only so much AEW can do, they're not gonna go down with his ship if that's what it comes down to.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 19, 2020 19:11:58 GMT -5
They also didnt say after the rehab he is welcome and done.
Good chance he is fired either way aftewards
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 19, 2020 19:22:39 GMT -5
They also didnt say after the rehab he is welcome and done. Good chance he is fired either way aftewards Likely trying to stay in good light PR wise to say we are not firing someone while in rehab.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 19, 2020 22:09:25 GMT -5
They also didnt say after the rehab he is welcome and done. Good chance he is fired either way aftewards Yeah AEW is clearly watching their PR but they're just saying he's getting help, not that he'll be welcomed back when he is better.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 19, 2020 22:36:44 GMT -5
I honestly hope that Havoc living with Kip and Penelope was something done to help him get his life and mind in order, but professional help and rehabilitation really does seem like the best thing for him.
Something that stuck out to me in the rape allegation about him was the way he allegedly was banging his own head against the door the morning after the act; having talked with a couple of people who've dealt with people with issues in this vein before, it comes off as "I've done something terrible, I know it, and I hate myself and deserve to be punished". This doesn't at all absolve him of responsibility for his actions or the pain he caused, but it feeds further, for me at least, into him being someone who's long been in severe need of very real help for his issues. Such illnesses can't serve as excuses for behavior like this, but illnesses still need to be treated. Needless to say, it makes for a really shitty situation in all respects.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2020 22:40:04 GMT -5
I honestly hope that Havoc living with Kip and Penelope was something done to help him get his life and mind in order, but professional help and rehabilitation really does seem like the best thing for him. Something that stuck out to me in the rape allegation about him was the way he allegedly was banging his own head against the door the morning after the act; having talked with a couple of people who've dealt with people with issues in this vein before, it comes off as "I've done something terrible, I know it, and I hate myself and deserve to be punished". This doesn't at all absolve him of responsibility for his actions or the pain he caused, but it feeds further, for me at least, into him being someone who's long been in severe need of very real help for his issues. Such illnesses can't serve as excuses for behavior like this, but illnesses still need to be treated. Needless to say, it makes for a really shitty situation in all respects. He has somewhat of a conscience but it is weighed against his own mental illness He really needs help before he goes off the deep end. You can't say these are warning signs he can do worse then that but if he's capable of that then you don't want this going any further. Hopefully, that man turns his life around because he's harming himself and others and that can have a dangerous spiral
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Post by Cyno on Jun 19, 2020 22:44:55 GMT -5
Yeah, "get this guy some help" and "he needs to face consequences for his actions" are not mutually exclusive ideas.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2020 22:47:30 GMT -5
Yeah, "get this guy some help" and "he needs to face consequences for his actions" are not mutually exclusive ideas. Yea, if he's banging his head against the wall then he knows what happen was wrong and while mental illness can be blamed that doesn't negate the act He should and will get help but if he did what he's accused of he needs to pay for it as well
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Post by Dub H on Jun 19, 2020 23:14:47 GMT -5
I honestly hope that Havoc living with Kip and Penelope was something done to help him get his life and mind in order, but professional help and rehabilitation really does seem like the best thing for him. Something that stuck out to me in the rape allegation about him was the way he allegedly was banging his own head against the door the morning after the act; having talked with a couple of people who've dealt with people with issues in this vein before, it comes off as "I've done something terrible, I know it, and I hate myself and deserve to be punished". This doesn't at all absolve him of responsibility for his actions or the pain he caused, but it feeds further, for me at least, into him being someone who's long been in severe need of very real help for his issues. Such illnesses can't serve as excuses for behavior like this, but illnesses still need to be treated. Needless to say, it makes for a really shitty situation in all respects. Trying to look in a "positive" note. If he lives with Kip and Penelope and neither have bad reports ,maybe he did get somewhat better already.
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Post by moxfan1 on Jun 19, 2020 23:48:09 GMT -5
I honestly hope that Havoc living with Kip and Penelope was something done to help him get his life and mind in order, but professional help and rehabilitation really does seem like the best thing for him. Something that stuck out to me in the rape allegation about him was the way he allegedly was banging his own head against the door the morning after the act; having talked with a couple of people who've dealt with people with issues in this vein before, it comes off as "I've done something terrible, I know it, and I hate myself and deserve to be punished". This doesn't at all absolve him of responsibility for his actions or the pain he caused, but it feeds further, for me at least, into him being someone who's long been in severe need of very real help for his issues. Such illnesses can't serve as excuses for behavior like this, but illnesses still need to be treated. Needless to say, it makes for a really shitty situation in all respects. Trying to look in a "positive" note. If he lives with Kip and Penelope and neither have bad reports ,maybe he did get somewhat better already. Hopefully but him being all drunk and attacking Excalibur last year. In front of Tony Khan and everyone. Well that worries me that he still has issues.
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 20, 2020 2:43:09 GMT -5
I think there's more merit to Havoc's rape accusation than "it's random anonymous accusation." The account that posted it was Jimmy's ex who made all the abuse allegations. I don't think she would've posted that if she didn't at least believe it herself. Strictly to play Devils Advocate, the fact that a so far anonymous accusation has been released by the same source could also be considered them trying to up the ante if their original post didn't get the reaction they desired. Which considering on here alone did lead to sympathy (for want of a better word) towards Havoc, isn't too far of a stretch.
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Post by clifford on Jun 20, 2020 3:05:53 GMT -5
I hate the way Jimmy Havoc acts like acknowledging he's a piece of shit somehow gives him an out to be a piece of shit.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 20, 2020 10:32:21 GMT -5
I think this is a good statement by AEW. There are two issues with Havoc—the abuse, and his mental health/substance issues. Addressing one without the other won't help in the long run. Letting him get the help he needs while effectively suspendeding him is the way to address both, I think.
Of course, it all depends on what AEW and Havoc himself do in the future, too.
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Post by mikeoldmac on Jun 20, 2020 10:59:26 GMT -5
this is a awful statement by AEW
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 20, 2020 11:42:02 GMT -5
this is a awful statement by AEW How? They're putting a clearly unwell man through rehab while also not dismissing the accusations against him. Would you rather they just fire the man, based simply on an accusation which is supported/proven by evidence nobody besides the person making the accusation has ever seen? They don't dismiss the possibility that the accusations are true, but feel for the meantime that they address the issue they know is there beyond the shadow of a doubt, and address the other accusations when more information becomes available. Right now this is the best possible way they could address it.
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