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Post by Rocky Raccoon on Jun 27, 2020 10:57:14 GMT -5
I think it's a little odd that folks are now putting out casting calls for people of color instead of doing it before the protests. They were doing it before. It gradually started becoming more of a thing in the last 5 or so years.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 27, 2020 13:06:37 GMT -5
Some of y'all miss the mark so f***ing far from the target it is sad
It isn't about being hypocritical it is about opening up the field. You're still going to get white characters voices black people and other ethnicities and same for black people voicing white people but the door is opened to actually find talented people of that nationality instead of relying on a mimic'd voice.
The doors should be opened, plain and simple. Talent will go further and wider
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 27, 2020 13:06:39 GMT -5
I get the arguments about pigeonholing people and the fact that things like drama degrees (which really aren't THAT necessary to make it in an industry like V.O.) are too expensive, period, but I'm not quite seeing the argument that this will lead to fewer roles for people of color, overall.
What's true is that this is only a part of what should really be a more systemic change; writing rooms across the entertainment industry tend to be pretty dominated by white men, sometimes for similar reasons like certain attractive degrees only being accessible to people from a privileged background, and so long as that's the case it'll be hard to have more than a handful of notable roles for PoC that handle the perspective as well as they could.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 27, 2020 13:09:39 GMT -5
I think it's a little odd that folks are now putting out casting calls for people of color instead of doing it before the protests. They were doing it before. It gradually started becoming more of a thing in the last 5 or so years. Yea, I mean as a black person i'm going to let y'all in on a little secret, this ain't new, it is only important now because of all the other issues going on Don't confuse change happening now for the complaint being new
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 27, 2020 14:13:55 GMT -5
It’s zombie Simpsons, guys. This changes nothing for me because I don’t watch past season 10, besides the movie. To this day, I'm still working on what would make a good 'final' season of the programme, with a proper finale and everything. It's taken me across two forums so far. Behind The Laughter works fine. That's effectively the finale for me.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 27, 2020 14:20:26 GMT -5
This stuff being addressed (finally) only happens when those running the system think their backs are against the wall. So you see fairly minor actions like this being taken that, while nice gestures, don't really address the root systemic problems and can even come off as tone-deaf. Given how much of a whiny baby Al Jean's been about the Apu controversy in the past, I have my doubts about his motivations, personally.
Like, I can probably think of more Western POC VA's than a lot of other people because of how into voice acting I am as a fan of animation, anime dubs, and video games. But it's still a very paltry number compared to the amount of white VA's out there getting starring or larger supporting roles. There's also a very delicate dance between opening up more opportunities for voice actors of color and in the process, pigeonholing people into only being able to play one type of ethnicity, which ends up limiting even more opportunities for them.
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Post by thechase on Jun 27, 2020 14:48:46 GMT -5
To this day, I'm still working on what would make a good 'final' season of the programme, with a proper finale and everything. It's taken me across two forums so far. Behind The Laughter works fine. That's effectively the finale for me. Homer's Enemy works way better The town appear to find Homer's stupidity endearing by this point, causing the one sane man to lose it and die, and Homer even tells Marge to change the channel. Everything felt like it was pushing the ageing audience to quit the show and move on before they all became Frank Grimes.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 27, 2020 16:37:01 GMT -5
They acted like complete jackasses about the whole thing so they'll get no back pats from me.
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Post by hassanchop on Jun 27, 2020 16:50:30 GMT -5
Behind The Laughter works fine. That's effectively the finale for me. Homer's Enemy works way better The town appear to find Homer's stupidity endearing by this point, causing the one sane man to lose it and die, and Homer even tells Marge to change the channel. Everything felt like it was pushing the ageing audience to quit the show and move on before they all became Frank Grimes. The movie should've been the true end
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 27, 2020 17:17:09 GMT -5
Its been 15 years too late for me to care where they end it for a legacy of quality so at this point just keep going til we all die. Maybe clearing house would help liven it up. f*** you Al Jean
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2020 18:01:17 GMT -5
The movie should've been the true end I thought the movie would be the beginning of a transitioning from a TV property to a theatrical one, and yet here we are. What blows my mind is the movie happened 18 years after the show debuted, and that was 13 years ago.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jun 27, 2020 18:04:33 GMT -5
There are no white characters in the Simpsons. Just yellow skinned, 4 fingered folk.
Do non-yellow non-4 digit VAs stand down as well? Who accurately represents Itchy and Scratchy?
Its an animation. An animation done by several US and international studios as well. It's not live action.
I'm struggling to see how ethnic minorities get represented in a role that's heard, not seen? That's really for the recruitment process behind the scenes for the production to tackle. Does that mean a talented black man cannot voice a white character like Batman? Is that not discrimination in another sense?
Does Peter Cullen step down because he's just a human and not an actual transforming robot? Does Mel Blanc get erased as he's not the right species?
Sorry, I can't really see the wood from the trees in this topic.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 27, 2020 19:32:01 GMT -5
I don't care. The show has sucked for decades.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 27, 2020 19:50:48 GMT -5
As a current fan of the show. (I still watch and enjoy the new episodes) I’m ok with this.
Hopefully it will get some actors work and a chance to get their name out
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2020 19:58:07 GMT -5
I'm struggling to see how ethnic minorities get represented in a role that's heard, not seen? That's really for the recruitment process behind the scenes for the production to tackle. So if we don't see the problem it's not there? Before we get precious about that, black VAs are barely getting sufficient chances to voice black characters, never mind white characters. We literally had a black VA post on the previous page of this thread about how much longer it took him to finally start getting regular roles compared to his white peers. Does anybody think it's a bad thing that talented black VAs will - hopefully - be overlooked a lot less going forward?
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 27, 2020 20:21:43 GMT -5
I think any move to create more opportunities for diversity among VAs is good so this news is fine with me. I don't know if I'd say a white VA can never voice a non-white character (or vice-versa) as finding the right voice for the role is important, but that doesn't at all mean a non-white VA isn't the right voice for the role.
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Post by eJm on Jun 27, 2020 20:30:41 GMT -5
Does Peter Cullen step down because he's just a human and not an actual transforming robot? Does Mel Blanc get erased as he's not the right species? I mean...if you can name me working robot and rabbit voice actors who should have gotten the roles, sure. Scarlett Johansson can’t play ALL the characters, can she?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 20:55:31 GMT -5
Im going to be completely honest, this isn't going to change anything. Their probably going to get 1 or 2 people to voice all the nonwhite characters and call it a day. If anything your going to see the same 2 or 3 voice actor in more show now.
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Post by Rocky Raccoon on Jun 27, 2020 21:08:11 GMT -5
There are no white characters in the Simpsons. Just yellow skinned, 4 fingered folk. The show never really pretended they aren't still "white". Curious to know how you feel about what I had to say previously, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 21:13:09 GMT -5
So long Carl, Dr. Hibbert, Lou, Jenny, Bumblebee Man, Dr. Nick, and many more Kevin Michael Richardson (a black man) has been doing voice work for the show for almost a decade. There are hispanic, indian, and many other voice actors of different races and nationalties in the industry. Stop that "goodbye" nonsense. Azaria is fine with this. Shearer and the rest of the cast appears to be fine with this. It's at least worth a shot. Whatever a fan's opinion, of course the stars are going to say they are okay with this. Can you imagine the backlash if they said they weren't?
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