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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 28, 2020 15:44:50 GMT -5
One of the oldest booking tropes is the heel stable that is obsessed with ending careers of certain faces, maybe just for personnel reasons and / or just what legends they would be of ending the legend.
From Hogan to Dusty, to the Undertaker, those are names that mean something. But there are those types of angles in which the face in question, you have to scratch your head, is he really worth it?
For example, 1994 Stub Stable, there whole obsession with Dustin Rhodes. I mean really, up to 1994, he was an up and coming and won a few titles, but really is he worth it. He is not the legend his father was, and what makes more head scratch it began with Austin taking the U.S. title from him, Parker took his title, and after that, you just going to obsess with him. Of course there is the endless Paul Jones / Jimmy Valent. Jimmy Valent, really?
Of course the worse of the worse in my opinion, is 1997 James Vanderburg going through all this trouble to get rid of Glaser. Freaking Glaser, he makes Jimmy Valent and Dustin Rhodes look like Hulk Hogan.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Jun 28, 2020 15:50:03 GMT -5
If a stable targeted John Cena then they would not be around for long
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jun 28, 2020 15:54:21 GMT -5
The NWA mostly feuded with The Headbangers and Bradshaw. Kai En Tai feuded with Taka (until he joined), Bradshaw and Val Venis. The lWo talked a big game, but mainly went after the Cruiserweight title. In ECW, Da Baldies existed to go after New Jack. I mean, guy was top of the heap for ECW, but is he worth forming a stable to fight?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 28, 2020 15:56:41 GMT -5
Paul Jones Army felt like it feuded with Boogie Woogie Man for 8 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 15:59:05 GMT -5
Paul Jones Army felt like it feuded with Boogie Woogie Man for 8 years. Wouldn't you want to bring down the Boogie Woogie Man? |
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 28, 2020 15:59:46 GMT -5
Paul Jones Army felt like it feuded with Boogie Woogie Man for 8 years. What is weird, as soon as ended, it is like it never happened. For Paul Jones you go from that to going after and capturing the World Tag Team titles. I wonder if that tag title run was a thank you for working with him for such a long time. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jun 28, 2020 16:17:20 GMT -5
I’m not sure why Ted Dibiase one day decided he wanted to ruin Lex Luger’s life. Pretty much nothing the Million $ Corporatation did made any sense (cents?). Why humiliate Nikoli Vokoff when he’d been retired for years? Why provoke the Undertaker by making a fake one? Why falsely accuse Luger - Couldn’t you have just signed Tatanka? Why develop a plan to get Shawn Michaels to take Sid as a bodyguard just to screw him out of his title match against Diesel? Wouldn’t Shawn be easier to beat than Diesel? Couldn’t you just have signed Sid and asked for a title shot?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 28, 2020 16:32:06 GMT -5
I’m not sure why Ted Dibiase one day decided he wanted to ruin Lex Luger’s life. Pretty much nothing the Million $ Corporatation did made any sense (cents?). Why humiliate Nikoli Vokoff when he’d been retired for years? Why provoke the Undertaker by making a fake one? Why falsely accuse Luger - Couldn’t you have just signed Tatanka? Why develop a plan to get Shawn Michaels to take Sid as a bodyguard just to screw him out of his title match against Diesel? Wouldn’t Shawn be easier to beat than Diesel? Couldn’t you just have signed Sid and asked for a title shot? Hey, Dibiase is the same dude that couldn't piece together that he should have just had Andre lose the WWF title to him in a bullshit match instead of literally handing it over for the world to see. Good example that money doesn't necessarily translate to intelligence, lol. |
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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 28, 2020 16:43:51 GMT -5
I’m not sure why Ted Dibiase one day decided he wanted to ruin Lex Luger’s life. Pretty much nothing the Million $ Corporatation did made any sense (cents?). Why humiliate Nikoli Vokoff when he’d been retired for years? Why provoke the Undertaker by making a fake one? Why falsely accuse Luger - Couldn’t you have just signed Tatanka? Why develop a plan to get Shawn Michaels to take Sid as a bodyguard just to screw him out of his title match against Diesel? Wouldn’t Shawn be easier to beat than Diesel? Couldn’t you just have signed Sid and asked for a title shot? Lest we forget, they targeted a freaking football player... AND FAILED! |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 28, 2020 16:51:45 GMT -5
I swear Heenan had the Heenan family whoop the Red Rooster ass every chance they got
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 19:36:40 GMT -5
I swear Heenan had the Heenan family whoop the Red Rooster ass every chance they got Ken "Ex-Con" Patera was another target, but there was some history. The company just vastly overestimated the appeal of a babyface whose appeal was just "coming out of jail". |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 29, 2020 2:42:47 GMT -5
I swear Heenan had the Heenan family whoop the Red Rooster ass every chance they got Ken "Ex-Con" Patera was another target, but there was some history. The company just vastly overestimated the appeal of a babyface whose appeal was just "coming out of jail". Yup, especially still in the kayfabe years "a heel ended up in jail" is just going to be met with "well yeah, violent asshole probably deserved it". |
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 29, 2020 8:58:22 GMT -5
Whoever mentions Paul Jones' Army vs. Jimmy Valiant wins the thread. I can't see how you'd top that.
That feud was "Why does Wile E. Coyote still want to catch the Road Runner?" territory. And even the Looney Tunes example DID explain it eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 10:12:46 GMT -5
Paul Jones Army felt like it feuded with Boogie Woogie Man for 8 years. Wouldn't you want to bring down the Boogie Woogie Man? Yeah, somebody had to do it. I would have done it myself but I was only 5. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 10:23:04 GMT -5
WCW, 1995.
Why was it necessary for Flair and Anderson to act like they hated each other, Flair to job multiple times to Anderson, get his ass kicked by Anderson and Pillman, work himself into Sting's confidence, sign a tag team match for Halloween Havoc pairing him with Sting against Anderson and Pillman, only to come out and turn on Sting and kick his ass with Anderson and Pillman's help? Why was it necessary to carry on this ruse for two months just to kick Sting's ass and be like "HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!"
I was hoping the announcers would sell it as Flair made amends with Anderson and Pillman at the last minute so the last two months would make some modicum of sense. But no, they sold it as "It's been a ruse all along!"
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 29, 2020 10:29:18 GMT -5
Ken "Ex-Con" Patera was another target, but there was some history. The company just vastly overestimated the appeal of a babyface whose appeal was just "coming out of jail". Yup, especially still in the kayfabe years "a heel ended up in jail" is just going to be met with "well yeah, violent asshole probably deserved it". It probably would have worked better if he didn't deliver one of the shittiest promos ever given by a name talent as part of the angle. |
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jun 30, 2020 6:34:58 GMT -5
Paul Jones Army felt like it feuded with Boogie Woogie Man for 8 years. You know whose fault that is, Outlaw Ron Bass, he is the reason the whole feud had to restart. |
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 1, 2020 19:33:19 GMT -5
I’m not sure why Ted Dibiase one day decided he wanted to ruin Lex Luger’s life. Pretty much nothing the Million $ Corporatation did made any sense (cents?). Why humiliate Nikoli Vokoff when he’d been retired for years? Why provoke the Undertaker by making a fake one? Why falsely accuse Luger - Couldn’t you have just signed Tatanka? Why develop a plan to get Shawn Michaels to take Sid as a bodyguard just to screw him out of his title match against Diesel? Wouldn’t Shawn be easier to beat than Diesel? Couldn’t you just have signed Sid and asked for a title shot? Almost everything about the Corporation was bad. Every person in the group was a star at one point in their career but not during the corporation run. Godfather, Psycho Sid, Ringmaster all became huge in the following years. Nikolai and Bundy were biggest in the 1980s, Kid was a star up until his injury IMO and Tatanka and Bigelow's better days were pre-corporation. And of course Ted Dibiase was probably the most famous from 1988 to his last in ring match. Put all of them together and it just didn't work out. It was good of WWF to give a number of these guys something to do but it seems like there was never an end game and writers just threw something together on the fly and hope it would stick, which it never did. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 2, 2020 10:45:50 GMT -5
The NWO plot to take over WCW made no sense really.
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Post by queenfan12 on Jul 3, 2020 2:06:15 GMT -5
WCW, 1995. Why was it necessary for Flair and Anderson to act like they hated each other, Flair to job multiple times to Anderson, get his ass kicked by Anderson and Pillman, work himself into Sting's confidence, sign a tag team match for Halloween Havoc pairing him with Sting against Anderson and Pillman, only to come out and turn on Sting and kick his ass with Anderson and Pillman's help? Why was it necessary to carry on this ruse for two months just to kick Sting's ass and be like "HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!" I was hoping the announcers would sell it as Flair made amends with Anderson and Pillman at the last minute so the last two months would make some modicum of sense. But no, they sold it as "It's been a ruse all along!" Now as best as I remember, the Horsemen twist only happened because Hogan got butt-hurt about the fact that the Flair-Arn fued was getting better reactions from the crowd then any of the Dungeon of Doom stuff, so he had the kibosh put on it. |
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