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Post by Dub H on Aug 19, 2020 18:03:09 GMT -5
Cass scares me in real life. I know he has mental issues but the guy seems genuinely unhinged and unpredictable. It was the right call to get rid of him. As for Enzo... I was always a big fan of the guy. Not great in the ring but character wise, he is everything a wrestler should be IMO. Over the top, larger than life, great mic skills and catchphrases... The guy could've been HUGE. I will say that Enzo was the best promo man in a LONG time. Might still be today.Dude knew how to have the crowd in the palm of his hand |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 18:05:03 GMT -5
Cass scares me in real life. I know he has mental issues but the guy seems genuinely unhinged and unpredictable. It was the right call to get rid of him. As for Enzo... I was always a big fan of the guy. Not great in the ring but character wise, he is everything a wrestler should be IMO. Over the top, larger than life, great mic skills and catchphrases... The guy could've been HUGE. I will say that Enzo was the best promo man in a LONG time. Might still be today.Dude knew how to have the crowd in the palm of his hand He cut one of the best babyface promos I had heard in a while after Cass turned on him, even though he was dressed like a goof for it. |
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Post by Dub H on Aug 19, 2020 18:10:02 GMT -5
I will say that Enzo was the best promo man in a LONG time. Might still be today.Dude knew how to have the crowd in the palm of his hand He cut one of the best babyface promos I had heard in a while after Cass turned on him, even though he was dressed like a goof for it. I think both things are related I think the reason Enzo is able to talk so safely and naturally is because he has absolutely no sense of shame  he is able to be him always for better or(many times) worse |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 19, 2020 18:11:58 GMT -5
Cass scares me in real life. I know he has mental issues but the guy seems genuinely unhinged and unpredictable. It was the right call to get rid of him. As for Enzo... I was always a big fan of the guy. Not great in the ring but character wise, he is everything a wrestler should be IMO. Over the top, larger than life, great mic skills and catchphrases... The guy could've been HUGE. I will say that Enzo was the best promo man in a LONG time. Might still be today.Dude knew how to have the crowd in the palm of his hand Enzo's one of the only guys to debut after I stopped watching WWE regularly who still caught my attention enough that I'd check out what they were doing with him on YouTube. He had that '80s coked-up madman quality where he was simultaneously a completely unbelievable cartoon and yet more believable than everybody else in the sense that it clearly wasn't an act and he was incapable of ever turning it off. I'm not really surprised he managed to alienate anybody and everybody who might ever employ him and I don't really blame them, but damn if he wasn't fun to watch. |
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Aug 19, 2020 21:28:04 GMT -5
I like how Arn refers to Show as “The Giant” like he’s still stuck in WCW circa 1996. Earlier in the podcast he tells a story about the Giant but he was referring to Andre. So weird he’d call them both the Giant. |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 20, 2020 12:48:09 GMT -5
Not suggesting for a second Enzo and Cass aren't morons, but there's something that rubs me the wrong way about how Anderson phrases this. Instead of just like, "Hey, it's my job to pay attention to xyz; here's what to do about that," he's all talking about how they don't Respect the Veterans Who So Kindly Offer Their Wisdom. He's their boss, but it's still phrased like some kind of locker room hierarchy of The Boys or something. It’s less about disrespecting veterans as much as disrespecting those assigned to do a job, specifically organizing the matches to suit what creative wants. And yeah, Arn is a veteran but he’s also someone who hears from people above the problems someone has in a match so has to address that to said person. If they don’t listen, that’s not only on the worker themselves (Enzo and Cass for this example) but then your job is under threat because it shows you have no authority as an agent. Yeah how I look at it, it's not disrespecting a veteran; it's not listening to the guy whose JOB is to tell you how to put your match together. Like, if I'm at work and my supervisor tells me they need x done y way I just do it. That's basically what Arn was; he's a supervisor and Cass was being insubordinate. That would get you in shit working any job, let alone wrestling. As for Enzo,it's always been my personal feeling that people overstate his potential. Dude was entertaining but between being short, being a terrible wrestler at a time when that was starting to matter and not really looking like he could kick anyone's ass, the ceiling was always going to be "mouthpiece for someone else who can't talk". Dude was too grating and limited to be anything more than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 12:51:49 GMT -5
Both Enzo and Big Cass needed to jump out the barber shop window. Fixed for historical accuracy, you humanoid. |
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Post by Andee9001 on Aug 20, 2020 14:29:03 GMT -5
Both Enzo and Big Cass needed to jump out the barber shop window. Fixed for historical accuracy, you humanoid. Will you stop |
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Post by evilone on Aug 20, 2020 15:19:52 GMT -5
Devil's advocate time: Enzo was the biggest name on 205 and of course he was going to make babyfaces look ridiculous cause none of 205 guys could come close to his entertainment level. So Arn wanted him to do less than he could just so the other guy could look good. Wonder how that would have worked in case of Rock's rising... Hey Rocky could you please not burn people down because you know they have to look good when they go at you. Yeah right.
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Post by horseface on Aug 20, 2020 16:06:38 GMT -5
Devil's advocate time: Enzo was the biggest name on 205 and of course he was going to make babyfaces look ridiculous cause none of 205 guys could come close to his entertainment level. So Arn wanted him to do less than he could just so the other guy could look good. Wonder how that would have worked in case of Rock's rising... Hey Rocky could you please not burn people down because you know they have to look good when they go at you. Yeah right. If Enzo had improved to even just being passable in the ring he could have probably burnt down whoever the heck he wanted to. |
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Post by eJm on Aug 20, 2020 16:14:17 GMT -5
Devil's advocate time: Enzo was the biggest name on 205 and of course he was going to make babyfaces look ridiculous cause none of 205 guys could come close to his entertainment level. So Arn wanted him to do less than he could just so the other guy could look good. Wonder how that would have worked in case of Rock's rising... Hey Rocky could you please not burn people down because you know they have to look good when they go at you. Yeah right. If Enzo had improved to even just being passable in the ring he could have probably burnt down whoever the heck he wanted to. Yeah, we can easily counteract that by saying The Rock gave a lot to his opponents and out of the win/loss records of main eventers in WWE history, he's probably lost the most or at the very least, got his ass kicked from the people he insulted in the ring. He'd still win a lot of the time but Rock was the sort of guy who could lose and come back the next week because...well, he was The Rock. Also, again, if your agent is telling you to stop doing stuff, it's because management is telling them to tell you to stop so the best thing to do is to stop. That's not hard to grasp. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 16:46:28 GMT -5
Devil's advocate time: Enzo was the biggest name on 205 and of course he was going to make babyfaces look ridiculous cause none of 205 guys could come close to his entertainment level. So Arn wanted him to do less than he could just so the other guy could look good. Wonder how that would have worked in case of Rock's rising... Hey Rocky could you please not burn people down because you know they have to look good when they go at you. Yeah right. Neville was a perfect rival for him. That double turn segment they did right before Neville left was outstanding, and it still f***ing sucks that Neville didn't go on to do bigger things on Raw or SD after it. |
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Post by nate5054 on Aug 20, 2020 17:07:01 GMT -5
Does it count if both members turn into Jannetty? enzo is still currently lead jannetty out of the two That said Cass is a pretty great rhythm Janetty. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 20, 2020 17:43:32 GMT -5
Devil's advocate time: Enzo was the biggest name on 205 and of course he was going to make babyfaces look ridiculous cause none of 205 guys could come close to his entertainment level. So Arn wanted him to do less than he could just so the other guy could look good. Wonder how that would have worked in case of Rock's rising... Hey Rocky could you please not burn people down because you know they have to look good when they go at you. Yeah right. Maybe I'm missing some huge story, but The Rock has generally been regarded as a really decent guy who didn't let go get his head completely up in the clouds and treated people like shit for not being stars and therefore less important than him. Enzo's problem, going by what Arn said, was that he'd decide he was the real star and make his opponents look like shit because they didn't matter as much as him. That's not how you do anything in pro wrestling, that's just being a dick. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 20, 2020 19:44:07 GMT -5
Devil's advocate time: Enzo was the biggest name on 205 and of course he was going to make babyfaces look ridiculous cause none of 205 guys could come close to his entertainment level. So Arn wanted him to do less than he could just so the other guy could look good. Wonder how that would have worked in case of Rock's rising... Hey Rocky could you please not burn people down because you know they have to look good when they go at you. Yeah right. Neville was a perfect rival for him. That double turn segment they did right before Neville left was outstanding, and it still f***ing sucks that Neville didn't go on to do bigger things on Raw or SD after it. I disagree - the quality of work he is doing in AEW simply would not be possible in the WWE landscape then or now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 13:21:53 GMT -5
Devil's advocate time: Enzo was the biggest name on 205 and of course he was going to make babyfaces look ridiculous cause none of 205 guys could come close to his entertainment level. So Arn wanted him to do less than he could just so the other guy could look good. Wonder how that would have worked in case of Rock's rising... Hey Rocky could you please not burn people down because you know they have to look good when they go at you. Yeah right. Maybe I'm missing some huge story, but The Rock has generally been regarded as a really decent guy who didn't let go get his head completely up in the clouds and treated people like shit for not being stars and therefore less important than him. Enzo's problem, going by what Arn said, was that he'd decide he was the real star and make his opponents look like shit because they didn't matter as much as him. That's not how you do anything in pro wrestling, that's just being a dick. If anyone in wrestling ever "earned the right" to be an egomaniac it's The Rock, but nope, even when he was the biggest star in the business that dude treated everyone with respect and was just an all around class act. Even Sunny of all people had nice things to say about him. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 13:23:50 GMT -5
Neville was a perfect rival for him. That double turn segment they did right before Neville left was outstanding, and it still f***ing sucks that Neville didn't go on to do bigger things on Raw or SD after it. I disagree - the quality of work he is doing in AEW simply would not be possible in the WWE landscape then or now. Fair enough, I guess you can say he DID go on to do bigger and better things. Just not in WWE. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 15:26:19 GMT -5
Does it count if both members turn into Jannetty? They're both Jannetty to Carmella's HBK. |
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Post by eJm on Aug 21, 2020 15:31:11 GMT -5
Does it count if both members turn into Jannetty? They're both Jannetty to Carmella's HBK. So does that make Enzo and Cass in getting Carmella fired from her job the worst thing they ever did in kayfabe? |
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he is able to be him always for better or(many times) worse
