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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 17:40:00 GMT -5
If Vince thinks people suck, then why do they ever get pushed? Like, if Otis can't work according to Vince, didn't Vince take that into consideration when having him win MITB? Why would you give a title shot to someone you think sucks in the ring?
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Dec 11, 2020 17:46:35 GMT -5
Yet I'm guessing Nia won't be sent down. I'm guessing no womens wrestler will be sent down until Mr. McMahon passes and Hunter is in charge because Vince doesn't care about the womens division or at least think it is as important as the mens
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Post by eJm on Dec 11, 2020 18:15:42 GMT -5
There is a part of me that wishes things were streamlined and the system was designed from the ground up with scouting leading to convincing Vince of what a signing will do for the company long term and what role they can play but if HHH is going to play this game, he's going to need to streamline NXT in a way to make things clear.
And it's not even like there haven't been success stories in recent times when it feels like the company knows what made a talent work and ran with it, look at Shotzi. She comes in a tank and has a distinct look. Instead of doing a Ruby Riot and subdoing that, they went into it and built her character more about it. It's why she is able to stand out in NXT so much and be the sort of character you'd hope would be kept on the main roster.
Now look at someone like Jake Atlas. Damn good talent but it's insane to me that he's been on TV without much build or character work, especially when they're actually on TV now and they need to be building intriguing characters and storylines to hook people. You don't even need to promote his sexuality (and part of me thinks they don't want to isolate people by bringing it up) but you could afford to give him a bit more than he is right now because he's a great performing dude in a sea of great performing dudes.
But onto the main topic, in an ideal system, Vince would tell HHH/Regal/Whoever who he'd like to have on the main roster to replace a certain talent and they'd search the indies for that kind of talent, develop them in the WWE style and then they'd be main roster ready but that isn't really the system anyone wants to we have Vince wasting money signing people who were over on the indies and not using what worked or enhancing anything that could work to improve the show. I know they're making more money than God right now but it's such a lopsided system that doesn't help anyone, especially not the talent who spend more time in catering than in the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 18:20:24 GMT -5
How the f*** do they think Keith Lee can't go in the ring?
That blows my mind.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 11, 2020 18:37:18 GMT -5
Re: Vince being high on Keith, it was interesting to see in Keith's WWE 24 ep where Vince had a talk with him after his Raw debut, Lee was super fired up afterwards and said it was super motivating, but with the way Vince is this bit jumped out at me lol Jesus, Vince looks like an old wooden puppet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 18:39:16 GMT -5
How in the hell does someone think Keith Lee and Otis can't wrestle?
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Dec 11, 2020 18:46:17 GMT -5
Yes... Safer like... I know nobody wants to hear this, but what happens in that first gif isn't Nia's fault. Nia is executing a shoulder breaker, and frankly, I don't know what the hell Charlotte is doing. Instead of allowing herself to drape over Nia's shoulder, she is bracing herself on her midsection, making the move awkward when Nia drops to her knee. Charlotte then pushes herself upwards off Nia's shoulder instead of tucking and rolling for the bump, resulting in her landing on her head. The second gif is all on Nia, no doubt.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 11, 2020 18:48:24 GMT -5
There is a part of me that wishes things were streamlined and the system was designed from the ground up with scouting leading to convincing Vince of what a signing will do for the company long term and what role they can play but if HHH is going to play this game, he's going to need to streamline NXT in a way to make things clear. And it's not even like there haven't been success stories in recent times when it feels like the company knows what made a talent work and ran with it, look at Shotzi. She comes in a tank and has a distinct look. Instead of doing a Ruby Riot and subdoing that, they went into it and built her character more about it. It's why she is able to stand out in NXT so much and be the sort of character you'd hope would be kept on the main roster. Now look at someone like Jake Atlas. Damn good talent but it's insane to me that he's been on TV without much build or character work, especially when they're actually on TV now and they need to be building intriguing characters and storylines to hook people. You don't even need to promote his sexuality (and part of me thinks they don't want to isolate people by bringing it up) but you could afford to give him a bit more than he is right now because he's a great performing dude in a sea of great performing dudes.But onto the main topic, in an ideal system, Vince would tell HHH/Regal/Whoever who he'd like to have on the main roster to replace a certain talent and they'd search the indies for that kind of talent, develop them in the WWE style and then they'd be main roster ready but that isn't really the system anyone wants to we have Vince wasting money signing people who were over on the indies and not using what worked or enhancing anything that could work to improve the show. I know they're making more money than God right now but it's such a lopsided system that doesn't help anyone, especially not the talent who spend more time in catering than in the ring. In fairness, the character work has been spread out. He got his ass whooped by Ciampa and it was supposed to be a learned lesson for him since he picked that fight. Then same thing with Santos Escobar and his boys and how he needs to control himself. He was losing matches in ways he shouldn't have His recent push is all about "renewed aggression" and learning from his mistakes. He cut a promo after he beat Tony Nese which wasn't a bad babyface promo but it was Vanilla. They are giving him pieces but he has no gimmick outside of white meat babyface.
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Post by eJm on Dec 11, 2020 18:51:39 GMT -5
There is a part of me that wishes things were streamlined and the system was designed from the ground up with scouting leading to convincing Vince of what a signing will do for the company long term and what role they can play but if HHH is going to play this game, he's going to need to streamline NXT in a way to make things clear. And it's not even like there haven't been success stories in recent times when it feels like the company knows what made a talent work and ran with it, look at Shotzi. She comes in a tank and has a distinct look. Instead of doing a Ruby Riot and subdoing that, they went into it and built her character more about it. It's why she is able to stand out in NXT so much and be the sort of character you'd hope would be kept on the main roster. Now look at someone like Jake Atlas. Damn good talent but it's insane to me that he's been on TV without much build or character work, especially when they're actually on TV now and they need to be building intriguing characters and storylines to hook people. You don't even need to promote his sexuality (and part of me thinks they don't want to isolate people by bringing it up) but you could afford to give him a bit more than he is right now because he's a great performing dude in a sea of great performing dudes.But onto the main topic, in an ideal system, Vince would tell HHH/Regal/Whoever who he'd like to have on the main roster to replace a certain talent and they'd search the indies for that kind of talent, develop them in the WWE style and then they'd be main roster ready but that isn't really the system anyone wants to we have Vince wasting money signing people who were over on the indies and not using what worked or enhancing anything that could work to improve the show. I know they're making more money than God right now but it's such a lopsided system that doesn't help anyone, especially not the talent who spend more time in catering than in the ring. In fairness, the character work has been spread out. He got his ass whooped by Ciampa and it was supposed to be a learned lesson for him since he picked that fight. Then same thing with Santos Escobar and his boys and how he needs to control himself. He was losing matches in ways he shouldn't have His recent push is all about "renewed aggression" and learning from his mistakes. He cut a promo after he beat Tony Nese which wasn't a bad babyface promo but it was Vanilla. They are giving him pieces but he has no gimmick outside of white meat babyface. I mean, even with that, it doesn’t seem like the same effort is going to him as it has someone like Grimes, Lumis, Priest etc who have been able to be fleshed out more and adapt. With Atlas it feels like he’s there to fill time rather than actually be someone to watch out for.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 11, 2020 18:56:21 GMT -5
In fairness, the character work has been spread out. He got his ass whooped by Ciampa and it was supposed to be a learned lesson for him since he picked that fight. Then same thing with Santos Escobar and his boys and how he needs to control himself. He was losing matches in ways he shouldn't have His recent push is all about "renewed aggression" and learning from his mistakes. He cut a promo after he beat Tony Nese which wasn't a bad babyface promo but it was Vanilla. They are giving him pieces but he has no gimmick outside of white meat babyface. I mean, even with that, it doesn’t seem like the same effort is going to him as it has someone like Grimes, Lumis, Priest etc who have been able to be fleshed out more and adapt. With Atlas it feels like he’s there to fill time rather than actually be someone to watch out for. They came in with characters and had them tweaked All they literally did was put a hat and jacket on Grimes and over the months that's how he developed into the stupid hick character we know. Priest gimmick isn't the same as it was before. Lumis has been evolving this character since he was in TNA Atlas is a casualty of the pandemic. Ideally, he should still been on the Florida loop. Or, like Leon Ruff, Raul Mendoza, etc be a well known jobber character on NXT until he eventually got a gimmick to latch on to or an interesting angle
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Dec 11, 2020 19:06:46 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 11, 2020 19:36:10 GMT -5
I remember making a comment about how they were going to f*** Lee up immediately, and several people decided to hit me with the "You're so negative, wait and see" bullshit. Then they f***ed his music. Then they f***ed his look. Then they did absolutely nothing with him for the last almost 5 months. Now this shit. I'll accept apologies for being assholes in my inbox, thanks. I understand the notion that people just don't want to think a wrestler is going to fail when this by all accounts should be his big break, but yeah, Lee was screwed from the start, and it hurt to see it. The Singlet, the horrible pants he got at first, the theme, shaving his beard off, "protecting" him without actually giving him a form of push Now this, this notion that Lee "Needs more training". Honestly, I don't know how anyone can be confident in this company to get wrestlers right. Nothing is a sure thing with them. Meanwhile other companies and NXT for that matter, can present some dude I have never heard of in my life, and make me want to see them again and again. It's madness, it's like actively watching someones mental health deteriorate year after year, and that's kind of what's happening when your company is run by a guy who is 75 trying to act like he knows what people who are 18-34 want and find endearing and entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 19:40:03 GMT -5
Re: Vince being high on Keith, it was interesting to see in Keith's WWE 24 ep where Vince had a talk with him after his Raw debut, Lee was super fired up afterwards and said it was super motivating, but with the way Vince is this bit jumped out at me lol This is what he calls "motivating" by the way. The old "brass ring" empty promise talk. Man, I can't wait till this guy steps down. HHH is more than ready to lead the company. You see how he is with the talent and what he's turned NXT into. This is what a leader looks like. All Vince is doing these days is stopping HHH from making WWE relevant and popular again by ruining his stars with his crap ideas and old fashioned outlook.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 11, 2020 19:49:05 GMT -5
All these people talking about working a simple work and Vince think they can't work makes me think someone is going to work themselves into a shoot, BROTHERJACKDUDE.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 11, 2020 20:13:51 GMT -5
I remember making a comment about how they were going to f*** Lee up immediately, and several people decided to hit me with the "You're so negative, wait and see" bullshit. Then they f***ed his music. Then they f***ed his look. Then they did absolutely nothing with him for the last almost 5 months. Now this shit. I'll accept apologies for being assholes in my inbox, thanks. Vince loves Lee, don’t believe dirtsheet BS. He’ll be world champ by Mania 2022.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 11, 2020 20:45:44 GMT -5
Re: Vince being high on Keith, it was interesting to see in Keith's WWE 24 ep where Vince had a talk with him after his Raw debut, Lee was super fired up afterwards and said it was super motivating, but with the way Vince is this bit jumped out at me lol This is the exact moment of the Jedi mind trick in action
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Dec 11, 2020 21:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Dec 12, 2020 4:36:09 GMT -5
Should be noted Otis was on Smackdown, in a losing tag effort no less.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 12, 2020 7:08:50 GMT -5
There is a part of me that wishes things were streamlined and the system was designed from the ground up with scouting leading to convincing Vince of what a signing will do for the company long term and what role they can play but if HHH is going to play this game, he's going to need to streamline NXT in a way to make things clear. And it's not even like there haven't been success stories in recent times when it feels like the company knows what made a talent work and ran with it, look at Shotzi. She comes in a tank and has a distinct look. Instead of doing a Ruby Riot and subdoing that, they went into it and built her character more about it. It's why she is able to stand out in NXT so much and be the sort of character you'd hope would be kept on the main roster. Now look at someone like Jake Atlas. Damn good talent but it's insane to me that he's been on TV without much build or character work, especially when they're actually on TV now and they need to be building intriguing characters and storylines to hook people. You don't even need to promote his sexuality (and part of me thinks they don't want to isolate people by bringing it up) but you could afford to give him a bit more than he is right now because he's a great performing dude in a sea of great performing dudes. But onto the main topic, in an ideal system, Vince would tell HHH/Regal/Whoever who he'd like to have on the main roster to replace a certain talent and they'd search the indies for that kind of talent, develop them in the WWE style and then they'd be main roster ready but that isn't really the system anyone wants to we have Vince wasting money signing people who were over on the indies and not using what worked or enhancing anything that could work to improve the show. I know they're making more money than God right now but it's such a lopsided system that doesn't help anyone, especially not the talent who spend more time in catering than in the ring. Honestly, I wish the WWE were truly publicly traded, rather than Vince's piggy bank. Of he had to explain signings to people he wouldn't be anywhere like as quick to kill pushes to punish people for random ****, or to sign people just so the other guys can't.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 12, 2020 9:05:31 GMT -5
Jesus, Vince looks like an old wooden puppet. I was talking about him with a friend the other day and said he looked like a ventriloquist's dummy of himself.
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