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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 23, 2020 2:11:49 GMT -5
I'm not that concerned with Jericho possibly infecting anyone at work, since AEW has been pretty on the ball with testing procedures. As far as we know, nobody has gotten sick working at AEW, and anyone who is even remotely suspected to be carrying the virus is held back, whether it be Joey Janela in a first round tournament, or delaying an AEW title defense on a Fyter Fest special Dynamite.
The problem with Jericho is that he encourages the kind of risky behavior that has this country in the shape that we are in. It's just such a bad look for him to be at superspreader events, especially when AEW is promoting live fans in outdoor arena pod-style seating. It's the kind of thing that can lead to a one-two punch of bad publicity if he actually gets COVID, or if a fan in attendance tests positive for COVID shortly after attending.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Dec 23, 2020 2:33:59 GMT -5
Can I PLEASE move out of this country forever yet?
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 23, 2020 2:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 23, 2020 4:19:12 GMT -5
I'm not that concerned with Jericho possibly infecting anyone at work, since AEW has been pretty on the ball with testing procedures. As far as we know, nobody has gotten sick working at AEW, and anyone who is even remotely suspected to be carrying the virus is held back, whether it be Joey Janela in a first round tournament, or delaying an AEW title defense on a Fyter Fest special Dynamite. The problem with Jericho is that he encourages the kind of risky behavior that has this country in the shape that we are in. It's just such a bad look for him to be at superspreader events, especially when AEW is promoting live fans in outdoor arena pod-style seating. It's the kind of thing that can lead to a one-two punch of bad publicity if he actually gets COVID, or if a fan in attendance tests positive for COVID shortly after attending. That's where I'm at, AEW's been doing really well with the pandemic, but Jericho is pushing his luck for literally no reason He has no patience and that stubbornness is losing him a ton of good will. It doesn't effect my enjoyment of Chris Jericho as a wrestling character, and doesn't diminish to me how good Jericho's mind for the business is... but it continues to paint the picture that Chris Irvine outside of the wrestling bubble is his own STUPID IDIOT who makes the damn list.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 23, 2020 6:51:56 GMT -5
Yeahhhh he needs to isolate. You can even continue the IC storyline pretty easily with MJF trying to be the new leader. Come on Chris. Hell use it, Jericho was jealous of the award, so did a concert to show he's a better performer. Because of that he has to isolate for 2 weeks, so for 2 weeks MJF has the Inner Circle to himself to work his plan.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 23, 2020 7:30:43 GMT -5
False negatives are real and can lead to big issues when people are being lax about everything like Jericho. I haven't heard much of anything about false negatives as a result of test error with the most common types of tests being used, although false positives have been an issue. The problem lies in testing too soon after exposure because the tests can't detect the virus during its initial incubation period.
That said, the period between the concert and the next AEW Dynamite taping is past said incubation period where tests should detect it.
False negatives are way more prevalent than false positives for a number of reasons. It happens all the time, I know from personal experience. The only real way to get a false positive is to have the swabs mix and become contaminated. From Harvard’s website www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734 : “What about accuracy? The rate of false negatives — a test that says you don’t have the virus when you actually do have the virus — varies depending on how long infection has been present: in one study, the false-negative rate was 20% when testing was performed five days after symptoms began, but much higher (up to 100%) earlier in infection. The false positive rate — that is, how often the test says you have the virus when you actually do not — should be close to zero. Most false-positive results are thought to be due to lab contamination or other problems with how the lab has performed the test, not limitations of the test itself.“
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 24, 2020 2:56:36 GMT -5
Perhaps you can call it karma, but since AEW was lead into by an NBA game, a lot of casuals who have never saw AEW watched, and sounded off on Jericho, and how "Fat and out of shape" he looks. No embed due to swearing twitter.com/x_Beast17_x/status/1341958185419239426There were also people calling AEW "Knockoff WWE", so yeah, always nice to see casuals watch for the first time... as funny as it is to watch Jericho get a hard smack of reality, it also kind of sucks how tainted wrestling as a brand is thanks to WWE killing WCW especially, these are the hurdles AEW are gonna have to jump through.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 24, 2020 3:32:29 GMT -5
I'm not that concerned with Jericho possibly infecting anyone at work, since AEW has been pretty on the ball with testing procedures. As far as we know, nobody has gotten sick working at AEW, and anyone who is even remotely suspected to be carrying the virus is held back, whether it be Joey Janela in a first round tournament, or delaying an AEW title defense on a Fyter Fest special Dynamite. The problem with Jericho is that he encourages the kind of risky behavior that has this country in the shape that we are in. It's just such a bad look for him to be at superspreader events, especially when AEW is promoting live fans in outdoor arena pod-style seating. It's the kind of thing that can lead to a one-two punch of bad publicity if he actually gets COVID, or if a fan in attendance tests positive for COVID shortly after attending. My big issue is it looks like they're favoring Jericho because he's their big star and just pulling another company move by removing a lower card wrestler to show they mean business. This won't be the first time Jericho does something this dumb and it won't be the last.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 24, 2020 3:33:54 GMT -5
Perhaps you can call it karma, but since AEW was lead into by an NBA game, a lot of casuals who have never saw AEW watched, and sounded off on Jericho, and how "Fat and out of shape" he looks. No embed due to swearing twitter.com/x_Beast17_x/status/1341958185419239426There were also people calling AEW "Knockoff WWE", so yeah, always nice to see casuals watch for the first time... as funny as it is to watch Jericho get a hard smack of reality, it also kind of sucks how tainted wrestling as a brand is thanks to WWE killing WCW especially, these are the hurdles AEW are gonna have to jump through. They shouldve opened with The Acclaimed and Young Bucks TBH
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Post by pajuiken on Dec 24, 2020 3:34:23 GMT -5
I’m of two minds - on the one hand, i think the global response to the virus has been too extreme in some cases
On the other hand..... my mom just got out of Covid ICU and two elderly people we knew died
So.... concerts should not really be happening
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 24, 2020 3:42:09 GMT -5
I'm not that concerned with Jericho possibly infecting anyone at work, since AEW has been pretty on the ball with testing procedures. As far as we know, nobody has gotten sick working at AEW, and anyone who is even remotely suspected to be carrying the virus is held back, whether it be Joey Janela in a first round tournament, or delaying an AEW title defense on a Fyter Fest special Dynamite. The problem with Jericho is that he encourages the kind of risky behavior that has this country in the shape that we are in. It's just such a bad look for him to be at superspreader events, especially when AEW is promoting live fans in outdoor arena pod-style seating. It's the kind of thing that can lead to a one-two punch of bad publicity if he actually gets COVID, or if a fan in attendance tests positive for COVID shortly after attending. My big issue is it looks like they're favoring Jericho because he's their big star and just pulling another company move by removing a lower card wrestler to show they mean business. This won't be the first time Jericho does something this dumb and it won't be the last. There really wasn't any reason, per se, to pull Jericho out of the Orange Cassidy match, though. My understanding was that the band was kept far away from the general public until their performance, performed from enough of a distance to not require quarantine, and then brought back into isolation after their set. Now, had someone from the band or anyone in Jericho's bubble actually tested positive, they would have likely pulled Jericho, much like how AJ Gray's positive test caused Janela to pull off his tournament match when they wrestled at GCW Last Resort the previous weekend. Granted, if it was my call, I would have pulled Jericho just because of how predictably bad Sturgis was going to go, but again, he technically wasn't known to have been exposed, and obviously, he tested negative before the show since we know AEW has been stringently testing since they returned to Daily's Place in May.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 24, 2020 3:47:18 GMT -5
I’m of two minds - on the one hand, i think the global response to the virus has been too extreme in some casesOn the other hand..... my mom just got out of Covid ICU and two elderly people we knew died So.... concerts should not really be happening Hasn't been extreme enough because people don't listen, at least in the U.S. Happy your mom is well but yes concerts SHOULD NOT be happening Do that shit virtual if you need to perform that badly
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 24, 2020 4:46:36 GMT -5
Perhaps you can call it karma, but since AEW was lead into by an NBA game, a lot of casuals who have never saw AEW watched, and sounded off on Jericho, and how "Fat and out of shape" he looks. No embed due to swearing twitter.com/x_Beast17_x/status/1341958185419239426There were also people calling AEW "Knockoff WWE", so yeah, always nice to see casuals watch for the first time... as funny as it is to watch Jericho get a hard smack of reality, it also kind of sucks how tainted wrestling as a brand is thanks to WWE killing WCW especially, these are the hurdles AEW are gonna have to jump through. They shouldve opened with The Acclaimed and Young Bucks TBH It's not that the match was even bad! Top Flight looked amazing, and Jericho worked the match just fine. People hyperfixated on seeing Jericho for the first time and clowning him because he has a gut now. Ever since he lost the title, it feels like he's cared less about his look, and frankly, he can't do that. This is a prime example as to why. A bunch of casuals tuning in, seeing your dad bod, and going "Wow he got fat", and it reflecting poorly on AEW due to it out of context. ESPECIALLY when they clearly put Jericho in the opener with young guns to help fans recognize a familiar face and then stick around. It had the exact opposite intended reaction, and if I'm Jericho I'd be pissed, and if he's not, someone needs to get pissed for him. I'm not a fan of "Fat Shaming" and I do truly believe there can be several kinds of body type in wrestling and that's been proven, but when you're one of the top talents a company has... you simply can't be slumming it in look. I'd honestly be ok with Jericho taking a break to get back in shape if that's what it took, have MJF wreck him and have him return later in better shape and to get his shit together. Bucks/Acclaimed closing made sense, because you wanted fans to stick around till the end, Jericho opening made perfect sense to show casuals a familiar face. Jericho just got caught with his pants down outside of the general wrestling bubble, they ain't gonna care how you generally look as long as you're still doing Jericho things... but casuals you're trying to impress? They are. And I'm sure he was thrilled seeing that being the reason he trended on Twitter tonight...
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 24, 2020 6:45:39 GMT -5
They shouldve opened with The Acclaimed and Young Bucks TBH It's not that the match was even bad! Top Flight looked amazing, and Jericho worked the match just fine. People hyperfixated on seeing Jericho for the first time and clowning him because he has a gut now. Ever since he lost the title, it feels like he's cared less about his look, and frankly, he can't do that. This is a prime example as to why. A bunch of casuals tuning in, seeing your dad bod, and going "Wow he got fat", and it reflecting poorly on AEW due to it out of context. ESPECIALLY when they clearly put Jericho in the opener with young guns to help fans recognize a familiar face and then stick around. It had the exact opposite intended reaction, and if I'm Jericho I'd be pissed, and if he's not, someone needs to get pissed for him. I'm not a fan of "Fat Shaming" and I do truly believe there can be several kinds of body type in wrestling and that's been proven, but when you're one of the top talents a company has... you simply can't be slumming it in look. I'd honestly be ok with Jericho taking a break to get back in shape if that's what it took, have MJF wreck him and have him return later in better shape and to get his shit together. Bucks/Acclaimed closing made sense, because you wanted fans to stick around till the end, Jericho opening made perfect sense to show casuals a familiar face. Jericho just got caught with his pants down outside of the general wrestling bubble, they ain't gonna care how you generally look as long as you're still doing Jericho things... but casuals you're trying to impress? They are. And I'm sure he was thrilled seeing that being the reason he trended on Twitter tonight... He’s definitely out of shape but hopefully they created some new fans with the NBA lead-in.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 24, 2020 6:56:27 GMT -5
It's not that the match was even bad! Top Flight looked amazing, and Jericho worked the match just fine. People hyperfixated on seeing Jericho for the first time and clowning him because he has a gut now. Ever since he lost the title, it feels like he's cared less about his look, and frankly, he can't do that. This is a prime example as to why. A bunch of casuals tuning in, seeing your dad bod, and going "Wow he got fat", and it reflecting poorly on AEW due to it out of context. ESPECIALLY when they clearly put Jericho in the opener with young guns to help fans recognize a familiar face and then stick around. It had the exact opposite intended reaction, and if I'm Jericho I'd be pissed, and if he's not, someone needs to get pissed for him. I'm not a fan of "Fat Shaming" and I do truly believe there can be several kinds of body type in wrestling and that's been proven, but when you're one of the top talents a company has... you simply can't be slumming it in look. I'd honestly be ok with Jericho taking a break to get back in shape if that's what it took, have MJF wreck him and have him return later in better shape and to get his shit together. Bucks/Acclaimed closing made sense, because you wanted fans to stick around till the end, Jericho opening made perfect sense to show casuals a familiar face. Jericho just got caught with his pants down outside of the general wrestling bubble, they ain't gonna care how you generally look as long as you're still doing Jericho things... but casuals you're trying to impress? They are. And I'm sure he was thrilled seeing that being the reason he trended on Twitter tonight... He’s definitely out of shape but hopefully they created some new fans with the NBA lead-in. Realistically, they probably did, Twitter's usually just where hatred and cynicism go to roost, so if there was gonna be negativity at AEW for any reason, such as... simply existing, that's the place to be. I'm curious how the ratings look, I hope at the very least they had a good number lead in, won't be shocked if there's a strong taper off by the end due to lateness though.
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Post by markymark on Dec 24, 2020 8:19:35 GMT -5
Perhaps you can call it karma, but since AEW was lead into by an NBA game, a lot of casuals who have never saw AEW watched, and sounded off on Jericho, and how "Fat and out of shape" he looks. No embed due to swearing twitter.com/x_Beast17_x/status/1341958185419239426There were also people calling AEW "Knockoff WWE", so yeah, always nice to see casuals watch for the first time... as funny as it is to watch Jericho get a hard smack of reality, it also kind of sucks how tainted wrestling as a brand is thanks to WWE killing WCW especially, these are the hurdles AEW are gonna have to jump through. Tbh its a hard mountain to climb to get over those casuals fans, blame TNA aka Russo, Hogan and Bischoff for turning them off.
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Post by deezy on Dec 24, 2020 8:30:54 GMT -5
Twitter did hammer Jericho and to a lesser extent, AEW.
The lead in from the NBA last night might of hurt AEW some when it comes to new viewers.
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Post by Tenshigure on Dec 24, 2020 8:35:12 GMT -5
We are literally closing the year out with record-high infections and parts of the country STILL in total lockdown because of this pandemic. It isn't even because of a "too extreme of a response," it's because people refuse to be responsible and prolong the recovery of the general populace.
I and everyone I know have been impacted by the virus, we've all lost someone to it whether it be family, friends, coworkers, or acquaintances. To STILL behave this way even when we're barely rolling out vaccines shows how blatantly selfish and arrogant so many people truly are.
The excuse of playing a show because of contractual obligations like people made for Sturgis holds no water here. If you're willing to risk everything for this crap this late in the game, it doesn't matter how stringent the cleaning policies are; I guarantee nobody going to those things care enough to truly be safe about it, even going as far as straight defying it because they're "healthy and would love perfectly fine "
Nah, I'm done supporting assholes like this. Jericho, you did getting this company off the ground with exposure, but it's time to move on. I as a former fan already have.
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Post by pajuiken on Dec 24, 2020 8:47:59 GMT -5
I’m of two minds - on the one hand, i think the global response to the virus has been too extreme in some casesOn the other hand..... my mom just got out of Covid ICU and two elderly people we knew died So.... concerts should not really be happening Hasn't been extreme enough because people don't listen, at least in the U.S. Happy your mom is well but yes concerts SHOULD NOT be happening Do that shit virtual if you need to perform that badly Yeah, i am more talking worldwide south africa is on tier 1 lockdown, but suddenly all the beaches on one coast is closed - but the rivers are open - now people are just sitting by the rivers - nonsensical and there’s a couple more ‘illogical’ ones i can think of in some countries but ‘no concerts’ isn’t illogical at all
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Dec 24, 2020 9:04:32 GMT -5
We are literally closing the year out with record-high infections and parts of the country STILL in total lockdown because of this pandemic. It isn't even because of a "too extreme of a response," it's because people refuse to be responsible and prolong the recovery of the general populace. I and everyone I know have been impacted by the virus, we've all lost someone to it whether it be family, friends, coworkers, or acquaintances. To STILL behave this way even when we're barely rolling out vaccines shows how blatantly selfish and arrogant so many people truly are. 2020 is when the whole class gets held for detention because of like five dinguses who wouldn't stop misbehaving, and every time they argue about it harder the teacher says everyone has to stay even longer. Chris Jericho is a dingus who plays dingus shows for crowds of dinguses where he plays his dingus music, and their dingus shit holds everyone else back and puts them in danger too.
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