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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 10:04:59 GMT -5
There's no such thing as being too extreme to protect yourself from this virus.
No. Such. Thing.
AEW (like WWE, other wrestling organizations and other organizations in general) aren't doing enough. Nothing else needs to be said about it.
As for NBA Twitter clowning Jericho, I mean yeah, it was obvious it would happen. Casuals ain't like it. It says something when your product is called 'WWE Lite' by some casuals. WWE's format in itself is what many consider "wrestling." In an era where we're loving these Marvel movies, Mandalorian, when they see WWE and how it's produced it looks more big budget than AEW which is why they'd knock it. That style doesn't work for a great amount of people. It's Walmart WWE for a reason to them.
You then add old as hell fat Chris Jericho on the screen rather than someone who's younger, more built, it looks like this WWE knockoff got an old dude to carry em because they need a big name. That's laughable to most casuals.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 24, 2020 11:30:10 GMT -5
Chris Jericho is one of the greatest and most talented wrestlers in history.
Chris Irvine is a self-centered douchebag.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 24, 2020 11:34:30 GMT -5
Chris Jericho is one of the greatest and most talented wrestlers in history. Chris Irvine is a self-centered douchebag. Isn't his son a diabetic? That's even more shitty behavior from Jericho.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 24, 2020 11:39:37 GMT -5
And yeah, Jericho just does not seem to care about his look since losing the belt. Which is also impairing his in-ring work as he can’t even take a dragon screw properly anymore.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 24, 2020 11:44:11 GMT -5
Republican Dad Chris Jericho is a godly heel, it's just too bad it's not a character.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 24, 2020 12:01:52 GMT -5
Perhaps you can call it karma, but since AEW was lead into by an NBA game, a lot of casuals who have never saw AEW watched, and sounded off on Jericho, and how "Fat and out of shape" he looks. No embed due to swearing twitter.com/x_Beast17_x/status/1341958185419239426There were also people calling AEW "Knockoff WWE", so yeah, always nice to see casuals watch for the first time... as funny as it is to watch Jericho get a hard smack of reality, it also kind of sucks how tainted wrestling as a brand is thanks to WWE killing WCW especially, these are the hurdles AEW are gonna have to jump through. That’s some pretty harsh “market research” for AEW to get from the kinds of casual fans that they need to attract to catch and possibly eventually overtake WWE’s higher-viewed shows RAW and SmackDown.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 24, 2020 12:04:45 GMT -5
I wonder how many of those casual NBA fans roasting Jericho and AEW stuck around for the show or just peaced out upon seeing Jericho on screen.
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Post by eJm on Dec 24, 2020 13:02:56 GMT -5
I mean, outside of me beating the “Who the f*** are casuals in 2020?” drum over and over, I guess I find it hard to take any idea they should set out to attract this other demographic that seriously.
Like, I get it, I do, they should be trying to get new fans in but I don’t know whether that should be an objective when you’re new and still trying to get wrestling fans to watch. Crawl before you walk and all that. I also just have a thing against judging social media trends because that’s hard to figure what it means outside of hot takes. I don’t know.
I also didn’t watch the show but I think they should have lead with the tag title match first to put over the dynamic action after the NBA game. But then I can “see” the idea of Jericho being first because, well, mainstream star and it does seem he deserves the criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 13:09:18 GMT -5
Republican Dad Chris Jericho is a godly heel, it's just too bad it's not a character. Damn. That's a bar lol.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 24, 2020 13:13:37 GMT -5
I mean, outside of me beating the “Who the f*** are casuals in 2020?” drum over and over, I guess I find it hard to take any idea they should set out to attract this other demographic that seriously. Like, I get it, I do, they should be trying to get new fans in but I don’t know whether that should be an objective when you’re new and still trying to get wrestling fans to watch. Crawl before you walk and all that. I also just have a thing against judging social media trends because that’s hard to figure what it means outside of hot takes. I don’t know. I also didn’t watch the show but I think they should have lead with the tag title match first to put over the dynamic action after the NBA game. But then I can “see” the idea of Jericho being first because, well, mainstream star and it does seem he deserves the criticism. Could’ve put the six-man tag first, mainly due to Jurassic Express’s style and Jungle Boy.
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Post by eJm on Dec 24, 2020 13:39:26 GMT -5
I mean, outside of me beating the “Who the f*** are casuals in 2020?” drum over and over, I guess I find it hard to take any idea they should set out to attract this other demographic that seriously. Like, I get it, I do, they should be trying to get new fans in but I don’t know whether that should be an objective when you’re new and still trying to get wrestling fans to watch. Crawl before you walk and all that. I also just have a thing against judging social media trends because that’s hard to figure what it means outside of hot takes. I don’t know. I also didn’t watch the show but I think they should have lead with the tag title match first to put over the dynamic action after the NBA game. But then I can “see” the idea of Jericho being first because, well, mainstream star and it does seem he deserves the criticism. Could’ve put the six-man tag first, mainly due to Jurassic Express’s style and Jungle Boy. Can’t say I disagree with that idea either.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 24, 2020 13:43:32 GMT -5
You'd think he would have learnt from the last time he did a performance and was criticised by everyone for being irresponsible, wouldn't you?
I have mixed feelings on Chris Jericho the man, but I don't think he's going to be getting admitted to MENSA any time soon.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Dec 24, 2020 14:20:00 GMT -5
I mean, outside of me beating the “Who the f*** are casuals in 2020?” drum over and over, I guess I find it hard to take any idea they should set out to attract this other demographic that seriously. Like, I get it, I do, they should be trying to get new fans in but I don’t know whether that should be an objective when you’re new and still trying to get wrestling fans to watch. Crawl before you walk and all that. I also just have a thing against judging social media trends because that’s hard to figure what it means outside of hot takes. I don’t know. I also didn’t watch the show but I think they should have lead with the tag title match first to put over the dynamic action after the NBA game. But then I can “see” the idea of Jericho being first because, well, mainstream star and it does seem he deserves the criticism. I think you're very right to question who even counts as a "casual fan" nowadays, and think that this situation also demonstrates the ways that attracting this possibly-mythical group is a fool's errand. For starters, there's the divide between "casual fan" meaning someone who watches wrestling now and again, someone who used to watch wrestling, and someone who has never watched wrestling. A lot of discussion of so-called "casual fans" treats these three groups as one, when they can be quite distinct. The first group is probably most up for trying out a new wrestling show with guys they've never heard of; the second group is maybe more likely to check it out if there's a big name from the 90's or 00's, like say Chris Jericho; the third group can have a wide range of opinions from "will like it if they see it," "will like it if it's good," "will hate it if it's bad," "will hate it no matter what." Which groups do the people making fun of Jericho fall under? Are these old WWE fans who are disappointed that Jericho doesn't look as good as he used to? Are they people who would have responded better if MJF's partner were a similarly handsome and fit young guy like Sammy Guevara? Or...were they just going to mock any wrestling that was put in front of them, making fun of no-names if it's younger guys and making fun of has-beens if it's older guys? It's near-impossible to know, and all a promotion can do is put on a product they have faith in and respond to criticism from people who actually watch.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 24, 2020 14:23:52 GMT -5
You'd think he would have learnt from the last time he did a performance and was criticised by everyone for being irresponsible, wouldn't you? I have mixed feelings on Chris Jericho the man, but I don't think he's going to be getting admitted to MENSA any time soon. IMO, Jericho’s continued dumbassery has kinda killed my interest in him as a performer.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 24, 2020 18:25:23 GMT -5
I don't get a single WWE vibe from AEW. I mean, that's why it's actually enjoyable lol
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Post by Macho Pichu on Dec 25, 2020 14:36:16 GMT -5
I don't get a single WWE vibe from AEW. I mean, that's why it's actually enjoyable lol The problem is, we've had 20 years of WWE being the only wrestling promotion in town. There's plenty of people who have ONLY ever known WWE and nothing else, so any wrestling promotion they see will remind them of WWE. It doesnt matter how close the product actually resembles it.
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Post by eJm on Dec 25, 2020 14:46:18 GMT -5
I don't get a single WWE vibe from AEW. I mean, that's why it's actually enjoyable lol The problem is, we've had 20 years of WWE being the only wrestling promotion in town. There's plenty of people who have ONLY ever known WWE and nothing else, so any wrestling promotion they see will remind them of WWE. It doesnt matter how close the product actually resembles it. The issue, then, is what you can do about that? Like, TNA had a distinct look and different atmosphere to WWE around the same time yet they’re the reason why any ex WWE star who even breathes near another company gets people saying they’re relying on that talent or whatever the dumb opinion is even if it’s actually true. It wasn’t even true for TNA at first before they abused it. Do you just not hire WWE talent at all? Because considering before now they were the only real TV trained athletes, that isn’t remotely realistic.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Dec 25, 2020 14:59:36 GMT -5
Lmfao that NBA twitter thing is hilarious. Reminds me of when I saw Survivor Series 2017 (or maybe 18? one of those) and like the majority of the dudes in the big tag match were guys I had been watching since I was a walking fetus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 15:30:54 GMT -5
You'd think he would have learnt from the last time he did a performance and was criticised by everyone for being irresponsible, wouldn't you? I have mixed feelings on Chris Jericho the man, but I don't think he's going to be getting admitted to MENSA any time soon. IMO, Jericho’s continued dumbassery has kinda killed my interest in him as a performer. I've found him completely unwatchable for a long while now. My interest in a show plummets whenever Jericho's announced to be doing something on it and when I'm not watching live I fast-forward over him every time now. I just can't anymore with what a piece of shit he is.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 25, 2020 16:18:45 GMT -5
The problem is, we've had 20 years of WWE being the only wrestling promotion in town. There's plenty of people who have ONLY ever known WWE and nothing else, so any wrestling promotion they see will remind them of WWE. It doesnt matter how close the product actually resembles it. The issue, then, is what you can do about that? Like, TNA had a distinct look and different atmosphere to WWE around the same time yet they’re the reason why any ex WWE star who even breathes near another company gets people saying they’re relying on that talent or whatever the dumb opinion is even if it’s actually true. It wasn’t even true for TNA at first before they abused it. Do you just not hire WWE talent at all? Because considering before now they were the only real TV trained athletes, that isn’t remotely realistic. I just say "f*** 'em." If they don't even want to entertain giving your product a fair shake before decrying it as a WWE knockoff, don't cater to them.
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