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Post by fw91 on Feb 21, 2021 22:29:34 GMT -5
Yeah for some reason, maybe because the hardcore fanbase is getting older, 40 doesn't seem old anymore.
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2021 22:31:08 GMT -5
yeah it's a TV age thing with guys who aren't in the legends group. Miz and Drew are ancient faces for an audience, one became a comedy singing and dancing man who got dumped by them once and the other's just sort of hung around dressed like an idiot, and finally delivered on the second title run people have been talking about for just short of ten years. I's an old, old, old story. Very tiring. See I don't think Drew's that old in TV age since he disappeared for years... and came back completely different than how he was. And there’s enough of a story there you can tell, especially now they can use ICW footage and such, about how he rejuvenated his career after past failures. Miz...has many IC title runs. Like, so many of them. Same with someone like Dolph either. He might not be making bucketloads or anything but with the choice of the Devil you know or the Devil you don’t, you’re pretty much willing to stick with the one you know when and where they’re going to stab you. That’s not to say their careers wouldn’t have benefited from that for even a small time instead of just being dudes as they have a tendency to be.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Feb 21, 2021 22:36:13 GMT -5
Just wanted to say.... this is what I was talking about! A thread where we discuss different thoughts or ideas and not being trolling or baiting. I wish more thread could be like this ❤
Thanks to all that have posted in here!
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 21, 2021 22:46:44 GMT -5
yeah it's a TV age thing with guys who aren't in the legends group. Miz and Drew are ancient faces for an audience, one became a comedy singing and dancing man who got dumped by them once and the other's just sort of hung around dressed like an idiot, and finally delivered on the second title run people have been talking about for just short of ten years. I's an old, old, old story. Very tiring. See I don't think Drew's that old in TV age since he disappeared for years... and came back completely different than how he was. Miz could probably use something like that to help refresh his career... but I'm not going to blame him for taking the money the WWE has been likely throwing him. yeah it's on neither guy really, Miz has said himself about no days off so he obviously likes it and Drew got a lot of good will back on the indies and worked hard, can't blame either of them, just another symptom of WWE's madness
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 21, 2021 22:47:21 GMT -5
Using really bad math, figuring the Miz has been on TV once a week plus every PPV for the last 15 years, which he hasn’t, we’ve seen the Miz wrestler 800 times. That’s too much of anyone.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 21, 2021 22:48:56 GMT -5
Honestly, Miz being 70 in TV age is the bigger issue
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 21, 2021 22:56:22 GMT -5
Using really bad math, figuring the Miz has been on TV once a week plus every PPV for the last 15 years, which he hasn’t, we’ve seen the Miz wrestler 800 times. That’s too much of anyone. You're not far off. I've counted him in 752 televised matches (mostly televised, there might be some in there that are scattered other ones to account for belts won or lost on house shows) for my points rankings, with only his first year in 2006 and his one match in 2004 for Tough Enough left to count (which adds like another 10-15).
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 21, 2021 22:57:55 GMT -5
Like we don't see him much anymore but think about Big Show He was on TV from WCW in the mid 90s to still being a constant in WWE in like what 2015,2016 and so on. It only started to wind down after that. I know he was a good performer overall, but after a point, I get sick of seeing the same guy doing the same thing for 25 years. And he won the world title on TV in literally his first match on PPV at a ridiculously young age, too. Against Hulk Hogan of all people. Yes, it was a contract loophole and he helped Ron Reis form the foundation for what would be an entire Clips4Sale section but it counts! So not only was he a constant, he was a pretty prominent high up the card constant even before the WWE run started. I always say it but it's gotta be true.. Austin and Rock were on top for such a vanishingly short time that it's only helped their legacies. They never got (too) over exposed or out stayed their welcome. Austin still doing the same shtick in 2011 might not have been great.
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2021 23:03:37 GMT -5
And he won the world title on TV in literally his first match on PPV at a ridiculously young age, too. Against Hulk Hogan of all people. Yes, it was a contract loophole and he helped Ron Reis form the foundation for what would be an entire Clips4Sale section but it counts! So not only was he a constant, he was a pretty prominent high up the card constant even before the WWE run started. I always say it but it's gotta be true.. Austin and Rock were on top for such a vanishingly short time that it's only helped their legacies. They never got (too) over exposed or out stayed their welcome. Austin still doing the same shtick in 2011 might not have been great. You could argue him doing the same stuff in 2002 after almost a year of him trying something different (at a big cost to business certainly, but still) was the closest in-ring he got to doing that but even then, like you said, it was such a short time, you can easily ignore that for his prime.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 23:04:12 GMT -5
And he won the world title on TV in literally his first match on PPV at a ridiculously young age, too. Against Hulk Hogan of all people. Yes, it was a contract loophole and he helped Ron Reis form the foundation for what would be an entire Clips4Sale section but it counts! So not only was he a constant, he was a pretty prominent high up the card constant even before the WWE run started. I always say it but it's gotta be true.. Austin and Rock were on top for such a vanishingly short time that it's only helped their legacies. They never got (too) over exposed or out stayed their welcome. Austin still doing the same shtick in 2011 might not have been great. Hell, Austin in 2002-03 was already pretty rough. Remember pissing on Arn Anderson? Or "sheriff Austin"? And that redneck triathlon is one of the worst things ever put on PPV.
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2021 23:08:01 GMT -5
I always say it but it's gotta be true.. Austin and Rock were on top for such a vanishingly short time that it's only helped their legacies. They never got (too) over exposed or out stayed their welcome. Austin still doing the same shtick in 2011 might not have been great. Hell, Austin in 2002-03 was already pretty rough. Remember pissing on Arn Anderson? Or "sheriff Austin"? And that redneck triathlon is one of the worst things ever put on PPV. I honestly might be the only one to think this but the lead in to the Survivor Series match was pretty much the best closure any character in the WWE ever got despite everything else. Less of a last gunslinger vibe and more “I have to go against my values that people knew me for to try and save my career”. There were real gems out of a rough feud with Bischoff. And I don’t care what anyone else says, Team Austin/Team Bischoff is the best Survivor Series match. 2014 wasn’t a bad tribute, though.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 21, 2021 23:12:04 GMT -5
I always say it but it's gotta be true.. Austin and Rock were on top for such a vanishingly short time that it's only helped their legacies. They never got (too) over exposed or out stayed their welcome. Austin still doing the same shtick in 2011 might not have been great. Hell, Austin in 2002-03 was already pretty rough. Remember pissing on Arn Anderson? Or "sheriff Austin"? And that redneck triathlon is one of the worst things ever put on PPV. Oh I never rewatch 2002 Austin. Anyone of it. Other than a raw match with flair, it was crap. The crowd reavtions where still there. But it just wasn't the same. At least he got a last good match with rock in 2003. And then they both were gone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 23:13:21 GMT -5
Hell, Austin in 2002-03 was already pretty rough. Remember pissing on Arn Anderson? Or "sheriff Austin"? And that redneck triathlon is one of the worst things ever put on PPV. I honestly might be the only one to think this but the lead in to the Survivor Series match was pretty much the best closure any character in the WWE ever got despite everything else. Less of a last gunslinger vibe and more “I have to go against my values that people knew me for to try and save my career”. There were real gems out of a rough feud with Bischoff. And I don’t care what anyone else says, Team Austin/Team Bischoff is the best Survivor Series match. 2014 wasn’t a bad tribute, though. The little touch at the end of the match when even the badass, no friend having DTA Austin who just lost his job has to respect the fight his old nemesis Michaels put up for him was brilliant. Then he cuts a goodbye promo and is back a few weeks later lol
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Feb 21, 2021 23:13:42 GMT -5
It started with a whisper, and that was when I kissed her....
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2021 23:15:15 GMT -5
I honestly might be the only one to think this but the lead in to the Survivor Series match was pretty much the best closure any character in the WWE ever got despite everything else. Less of a last gunslinger vibe and more “I have to go against my values that people knew me for to try and save my career”. There were real gems out of a rough feud with Bischoff. And I don’t care what anyone else says, Team Austin/Team Bischoff is the best Survivor Series match. 2014 wasn’t a bad tribute, though. The little touch at the end of the match when even the badass, no friend having DTA Austin who just lost his job has to respect the fight his old nemesis Michaels put up for him was brilliant. Then he cuts a goodbye promo and is back a few weeks later lol I just pretend that didn’t happen. Makes things easier to take in. Especially since they rebooted Goldberg/Lesnar to take Austin out of the canon.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 21, 2021 23:20:18 GMT -5
Posted this in the PPV thread.
In this video, Earthquake is 27 years old.
Ric Flair was putting on bangers into his 50’s
Age means nothing.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 21, 2021 23:21:05 GMT -5
Ol gray mare she haint what she used to be
Haint what she used to be
Haint what she used to be
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2021 23:23:23 GMT -5
Guys who peak early are an issue in wrestling. Look at how bad it affected people like Orton, Gail Kim, or even Lesnar
Some 20 somethings winning belts makes sense, even reaching the mountain, but when they reach the peak that young, it can sometimes hurt later on when you realize they aren't even close to 30 yet let alone 40
If you can still go? Winning a world title at 40 something is becoming more the norm. It's more about "How fresh is your character/gimmick, how much can you still work?" etc etc., moving up and down the cards and even re-invention. Jericho or Matt Hardy? They've been around forever, but have been like ten different people... that's a huge key to wrestling relevance.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 21, 2021 23:25:46 GMT -5
My whole thing is this, age isn't what matters to me, but when most people reach a point, they hit that decline. What I look at is the ones who can still go out and give me a great match. Thats what matters. I have zero problems with Edge Main Eventing right now because he proved he can deliver a good match and tell a story. Thats way different than lets say Goldberg. While he looks the part. He can't tell a story in the ring. Once that bell rings it goes down hill and other guys have to limit themselves as well. The fact Drew at the rumble was doing two moves because Goldberg can only do two moves. It a waste, Goldberg I can go without ever seen him again. Yes he his prime he wasn't amazing but he had some solid moves besides just a spear and Jackhammer. .
Flair went into his early 50s still able to go. yes he went to long but he was able to go. Taker as well in his mid 40s was very well and even the last couple matches he had, he did well enough. Again do I want to see Taker again? No. I think he needs to stay done. Chris Jericho is another guy who can still be watchable. He made adjustments that he can still be watchable and tell the story. Yes he not the guy he was 15 years ago. But he still a good hand in the ring most nights.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 21, 2021 23:29:46 GMT -5
Guys who peak early are an issue in wrestling. Look at how bad it affected people like Orton, Gail Kim, or even Lesnar Some 20 somethings winning belts makes sense, even reaching the mountain, but when they reach the peak that young, it can sometimes hurt later on when you realize they aren't even close to 30 yet let alone 40 If you can still go? Winning a world title at 40 something is becoming more the norm. It's more about "How fresh is your character/gimmick, how much can you still work?" etc etc., moving up and down the cards and even re-invention. Jericho or Matt Hardy? They've been around forever, but have been like ten different people... that's a huge key to wrestling relevance. Jeff, on the other hand, has been ripping his shirt off before climbing the turnbuckle, doing finger guns, and doing a flip for around a quarter century.
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