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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Feb 21, 2021 21:47:02 GMT -5
is kind of getting on my nerves. Yes I see the bad with guys like Taker, Goldberg, Brock and Triple H and even guys like Orton to an extent, but Edge (off TV for 9 years) Miz, Drew, Sheamus, AJ have "TV time" age however they're still in really good to peak shape.
Also remember guys DDP and Batista didn't hit their big times into there late 30's early 40's.
The discussion is fine, but can we have some common sense thinking about?
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Post by Fade on Feb 21, 2021 21:52:17 GMT -5
It’s very relative.
There was definitely a time in the industry when a lot of older guys seemed to be stifling younger talent.
But I really don’t think it happens now. Personally, I don’t mind if any company utilizes older talent for a couple reasons: the medical field is better. The industry itself is safer. Cinematic matches being a thing. And the “old gunslinger coming in for one last draw” trope really coming into fashion again the last few years.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 21, 2021 21:53:41 GMT -5
Mid 30's to 40's is prime age right now that it seems people don't seem to be getting
They look good, still wrestle good. I got no problems
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2021 21:55:59 GMT -5
It’s very relative. There was definitely a time in the industry when a lot of older guys seemed to be stifling younger talent. But I really don’t think it happens now. Personally, I don’t mind if any company utilizes older talent for a couple reasons: the medical field is better. The industry itself is safer. Cinematic matches being a thing. And the “old gunslinger coming in for one last draw” trope really coming into fashion again the last few years. I relatively agree with this. Mostly because we’re not in this age of Hogan-like guys not wanting to work with people and it at least feels like newer TV fresh names are working for periods of time is good. I think my issue more lies in terms of the recruitment and how they train talent to basically sit for ages until there are spots open where they just fill with more experienced indie workers anyway and it just leads to a joke of a development system but that’s not really the fault of Edge, Styles or anyone else but down to management, who aren’t going to take the blame for any of it. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 21, 2021 21:57:00 GMT -5
Funny thing is, you hotshot some 20-year old blue chipper to a world title... Guess what? If they stay healthy and don't burn out, they've already peaked and you're stuck with them for the next 20-25 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 21:59:13 GMT -5
To me it is more about ones TV AGE...like Miz yea he is only 40 and that is no longer cripplingly old like it used to be especially as people know to eat better and take care of themselves but the fact he has been around FOREVER makes him feel like the audience has been watching him for 90yrs.
And then that plays into the mindset of with him being around for so long and focal point is just stiffling the newer stars people want to see.
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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 21, 2021 22:01:30 GMT -5
EVERYBODY TALKS TOO OLD
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Post by berlynwright on Feb 21, 2021 22:04:19 GMT -5
Reduced schedule & lack of substance abuse helped those guys too
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2021 22:05:58 GMT -5
To me it is more about ones TV AGE...like Miz yea he is only 40 and that is no longer cripplingly old like it used to be especially as people know to eat better and take care of themselves but the fact he has been around FOREVER makes him feel like the audience has been watching him for 90yrs. And then that plays into the mindset of with him being around for so long and focal point is just stiffling the newer stars people want to see. Like, it’s sort of one of the (many, many) reasons the closure of WCW and ECW were bad for the industry and people have talked about it before. If you weren’t doing so hot in one company or needed something fresh, give a WCW run a try, go to ECW and reinvent yourself, heck, there have even been indie/TNA/ROH runs that have reinvented people. Like, I’m not saying he’d be amazing but people’s perception of someone like The Miz might change if he had an Impact run at some point like Drew or Lashley did, just to give them a moment for people to miss them from TV. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 21, 2021 22:06:14 GMT -5
I think age matters less if the guy is new to TV and looks on the younger side but like anything else, you want some level of diversity. You can have older guys but you probably want guys in their early to mid 20s who can try to appeal to a younger audience.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 21, 2021 22:07:19 GMT -5
To me it is more about ones TV AGE...like Miz yea he is only 40 and that is no longer cripplingly old like it used to be especially as people know to eat better and take care of themselves but the fact he has been around FOREVER makes him feel like the audience has been watching him for 90yrs. And then that plays into the mindset of with him being around for so long and focal point is just stiffling the newer stars people want to see. Not to mention in like the Miz's case. The Miz today is pretty much EXACTLY the same as the Miz was 10 years ago. |
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Feb 21, 2021 22:07:54 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if you're too old for this s***.
It's only a problem if you WRESTLE like you're too old for this s***.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 21, 2021 22:09:33 GMT -5
Brock is close to a decade younger than those other guys he got lumped in with in the OP.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 21, 2021 22:11:47 GMT -5
To me it is more about ones TV AGE...like Miz yea he is only 40 and that is no longer cripplingly old like it used to be especially as people know to eat better and take care of themselves but the fact he has been around FOREVER makes him feel like the audience has been watching him for 90yrs. And then that plays into the mindset of with him being around for so long and focal point is just stiffling the newer stars people want to see. Like we don't see him much anymore but think about Big Show He was on TV from WCW in the mid 90s to still being a constant in WWE in like what 2015,2016 and so on. It only started to wind down after that. I know he was a good performer overall, but after a point, I get sick of seeing the same guy doing the same thing for 25 years. |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 21, 2021 22:12:47 GMT -5
It's less the persons age and more guys who have been in WWE forever . The Raw elimination chamber match 5/6 of the guys in the match debuted with WWE in the 00's or 90's and the least tenured guy in the match(AJ Styles) was getting the savvy veteran booking. I am not sure what purpose Jeff Hardy served in being in that match other then so they can have the bullet point of 5 former world champions.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Feb 21, 2021 22:12:54 GMT -5
Brock is close to a decade younger than those other guys he got lumped in with in the OP. True, but I put him there because he's a true part timer and doesn't give much effort (it seems) unlike Edge who wants a real last run or Orton who will change things up every now and then and deliver. |
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2021 22:15:32 GMT -5
To me it is more about ones TV AGE...like Miz yea he is only 40 and that is no longer cripplingly old like it used to be especially as people know to eat better and take care of themselves but the fact he has been around FOREVER makes him feel like the audience has been watching him for 90yrs. And then that plays into the mindset of with him being around for so long and focal point is just stiffling the newer stars people want to see. Like we don't see him much anymore but think about Big Show He was on TV from WCW in the mid 90s to still being a constant in WWE in like what 2015,2016 and so on. It only started to wind down after that. I know he was a good performer overall, but after a point, I get sick of seeing the same guy doing the same thing for 25 years. And he won the world title on TV in literally his first match on PPV at a ridiculously young age, too. Against Hulk Hogan of all people. Yes, it was a contract loophole and he helped Ron Reis form the foundation for what would be an entire Clips4Sale section but it counts! So not only was he a constant, he was a pretty prominent high up the card constant even before the WWE run started. |
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Post by Andy Martin on Feb 21, 2021 22:24:13 GMT -5
Mr. Steiner, this is a Wendy's. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 21, 2021 22:25:12 GMT -5
yeah it's a TV age thing with guys who aren't in the legends group. Miz and Drew are ancient faces for an audience, one became a comedy singing and dancing man who got dumped by them once and the other's just sort of hung around dressed like an idiot, and finally delivered on the second title run people have been talking about for just short of ten years. I's an old, old, old story. Very tiring.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 21, 2021 22:27:31 GMT -5
yeah it's a TV age thing with guys who aren't in the legends group. Miz and Drew are ancient faces for an audience, one became a comedy singing and dancing man who got dumped by them once and the other's just sort of hung around dressed like an idiot, and finally delivered on the second title run people have been talking about for just short of ten years. I's an old, old, old story. Very tiring. See I don't think Drew's that old in TV age since he disappeared for years... and came back completely different than how he was. Miz could probably use something like that to help refresh his career... but I'm not going to blame him for taking the money the WWE has been likely throwing him. |
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