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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2021 23:35:00 GMT -5
Guys who peak early are an issue in wrestling. Look at how bad it affected people like Orton, Gail Kim, or even Lesnar Some 20 somethings winning belts makes sense, even reaching the mountain, but when they reach the peak that young, it can sometimes hurt later on when you realize they aren't even close to 30 yet let alone 40 If you can still go? Winning a world title at 40 something is becoming more the norm. It's more about "How fresh is your character/gimmick, how much can you still work?" etc etc., moving up and down the cards and even re-invention. Jericho or Matt Hardy? They've been around forever, but have been like ten different people... that's a huge key to wrestling relevance. Jeff, on the other hand, has been ripping his shirt off before climbing the turnbuckle, doing finger guns, and doing a flip for around a quarter century. Some people are exceptions. People connect to Jeff, it's almost intangible. When he was at his peak he was the most over person in wrestling. His look and overall presence just have him connect to people and people want him to succeed, despite the sameness or the demons he has experienced. Jeff's got something you can't duplicate, it's what's kept him relevant this long and will till he retires.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 22, 2021 0:07:09 GMT -5
Jeff, on the other hand, has been ripping his shirt off before climbing the turnbuckle, doing finger guns, and doing a flip for around a quarter century. Some people are exceptions. People connect to Jeff, it's almost intangible. When he was at his peak he was the most over person in wrestling. His look and overall presence just have him connect to people and people want him to succeed, despite the sameness or the demons he has experienced. Jeff's got something you can't duplicate, it's what's kept him relevant this long and will till he retires. the power of the "It factor" Jeff pretty much encapsulates it. He's not particularly a good wrestler in the traditional sense, I don't think I've ever heard him cut a promo above laughable... but damn can he connect to the audience.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 22, 2021 0:17:57 GMT -5
Brock is close to a decade younger than those other guys he got lumped in with in the OP. Dude, no. He's older than Miz. He's older than Orton. Hell, he's older than Punk. He's the same age as Cena.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 22, 2021 7:09:34 GMT -5
Brock is close to a decade younger than those other guys he got lumped in with in the OP. Dude, no. He's older than Miz. He's older than Orton. Hell, he's older than Punk. He's the same age as Cena. He probably meant the guys he was listed with- Taker, Triple H, Goldberg
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 22, 2021 8:30:20 GMT -5
Dude, no. He's older than Miz. He's older than Orton. Hell, he's older than Punk. He's the same age as Cena. He probably meant the guys he was listed with- Taker, Triple H, Goldberg Indeed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 8:41:19 GMT -5
Friend of mine who does not follow wrestling that closely laughed when he saw old Edge. And now he is main eventing WrestleMania.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 22, 2021 9:54:34 GMT -5
It would help if wrestlers retired in their late 30s-40s like football and other sports players do.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 22, 2021 9:57:22 GMT -5
It would help if wrestlers retired in their late 30s-40s like football and other sports players do. Help what exactly? If they could still go and perform why not let them? It’s not the same era as slow Hogan matches or Terry Funk killing himself
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 22, 2021 9:59:26 GMT -5
It would help if wrestlers retired in their late 30s-40s like football and other sports players do. Help what exactly? If they could still go and perform why not let them? It’s not the same era as slow Hogan matches or Terry Funk killing himself Get fresh faces on the screen. I’m of the mindset that if you’re close to 50 it’s time to retire regardless of what shape you’re in.
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Post by Legion on Feb 22, 2021 10:00:56 GMT -5
Eh, I don't know about too old.
There are only a few guys left who are old AND can't go anymore.
Most of the older guys still around can actually still pull off a good to great match when motivated.
The problem for me isn't anyone is too old (except Sting), it's just that I'm bored with them.
The career lengths of these guys now mean I have serious over exposure to a bunch of them. That makes the programs feel stale, and thus older than they really are.
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Post by ronin705 on Feb 22, 2021 10:10:21 GMT -5
Yeah, a 40 Miz who i cant recall ever taking time off for INJURY (his wack splash/dive protection for others aside) that remains ACTIVE ON THE ROSTER, will NEVER get pegged with the "part timer" moniker like Taker, Goldberg, Rock, and yes, now Cena. This title reign, as short as it will be (all signs poi t to tonight), its maaaaaad overdue.
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Post by pinja on Feb 22, 2021 10:12:57 GMT -5
Wrestlers need to be 35 nowadays to look like Magnum T.A. at 25. I blame Magnum T.A.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 22, 2021 10:14:47 GMT -5
Eh, I don't know about too old. There are only a few guys left who are old AND can't go anymore. Most of the older guys still around can actually still pull off a good to great match when motivated. The problem for me isn't anyone is too old (except Sting), it's just that I'm bored with them. The career lengths of these guys now mean I have serious over exposure to a bunch of them. That makes the programs feel stale, and thus older than they really are. I have not much to add to this other than THIS As I said before, who really wants to watch the big show Paul Wight for twenty five plus straight years.. He was pretty good, but it gets boring.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 22, 2021 10:23:30 GMT -5
A few separate but interconnected thoughts:
1. This is why the territory system worked. People could go from place to place and work fresh new people and faces.
2. Athletes are on a whole different level these days. Training is different, the performance enhancing drugs are different and administered in a safer fashion and by and large these guys just aren't living as hard.
3. We need to accept that the age goalposts have moved - Miz/AJ/Sheamus/Hardy at 40-45 is different than Hollywood Hogan at 45.
4. With that in mind, WWE needs to do a better job of cycling out talent. I think the house show loops can be used to help to do this once the world is back to normal. We're never going back to a normal touring schedule, but if you tell people that the only way you see AJ for a few months or Jeff or whomever is to go check them out on the house show loop, I think people will be more inclined to go.
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Post by michael on Feb 22, 2021 10:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by msc on Feb 22, 2021 10:47:54 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy reminds me a bit of one of those Ivan Putski/Snuka JTTS runs from the late 80s. Fans in general cheer and go "its the guy I loved from my childhood!" followed by "Aww he got old" but the nostalgia, general well wishing, and the fact hes there to put folk over means he has a purpose.
CM Punks main event run lasted roughly as long as Austins (98-03 compared to 08-14) - never thought of that before.
Miz is roughly the same guy who was wrestling Kofi Kingston in 2008. And that reference is crucial because Kofi ain't the same Kofi from 2008. He's completely rewritten himself at least once, and his in-ring game is a lot different (smarter) than it was.
Big E and Jey Uso have been on TV for 9 and 11 years respectively now, but they both feel like they've only just started to gell as singles guys (because they have!) - a bit like how Bret Hart was a tag guy on WWE TV for 7 years before his singles push.
imo most of the old TV age is primarily Miz and Orton.
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Post by Demented on Feb 22, 2021 11:17:44 GMT -5
So... too many Daddies taking the time away from the rising Twinks of this generation?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:55:54 GMT -5
There's a difference between AJ Styles, one of the greatest of all time, being able to still go and having been in WWE for a few years, and The Miz, who is average at best and has been around for almost two decades.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 22, 2021 18:44:26 GMT -5
There's a difference between AJ Styles, one of the greatest of all time, being able to still go and having been in WWE for a few years, and The Miz, who is average at best and has been around for almost two decades. How would you rate miz on the Bret Hart scale? Look 5/10 In ring 5/10 Promo 8/10
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 22, 2021 18:50:00 GMT -5
Promo average too, Miz isn't half as good if he doesn't have a worked shoot to play with
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