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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 4:37:41 GMT -5
Started watching this episode from Dark Dide of the Ring. It's been a while I've been hearing about New Jack and his history. Interesting. I need to look up promos of The Gangstas.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 21, 2021 5:24:12 GMT -5
I feel like you gotta have sociopathic tendancies to not feel some sympathy.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Apr 21, 2021 6:23:44 GMT -5
I blame his Dad more than anybody else.
Mass Transit was a kid Paul Heyman is a sleazy business man New Jack is seemingly a sociopath
As the parent in that situation your job is to protect your child
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 21, 2021 6:30:16 GMT -5
A bunch of shitbags let a lying, stupid child get royally F'ed up.
Everybody involved is at fault and the only one of the stupid group that deserves any sympathy at all is the dumbass kid. This is a prime example of having both sympathy and fault at the same time.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 21, 2021 7:32:57 GMT -5
He and his father both lied to Paul about his age. He probably got in over his head but ultimately it's his own damn fault for putting himself in that position to begin with. I refuse to blame Heyman himself because he was lied to by just about everybody. New Jack shares some of the blame for... well being New Jack but this is the ultimate "don't try this at home" learning moment.
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Post by chrom on Apr 21, 2021 8:53:49 GMT -5
One look at the kid and you'd realize he was lying about being a wrestler or being trained by Killer Kowalski.
Saturn was trained by him and he'd know instantly
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Post by nickcave on Apr 21, 2021 9:19:37 GMT -5
His dad should not have indulged him, Heyman should have not allowed it to go through, New Jack should not have bladed him because by the time he actually did it he would have had enough time in the ring with this guy to know he wasn't actually trained. The kid was just trying to play out his fantasy of being a wrestler, he was being really stupid but there were so many other people who screwed up before him to even allow this to happen.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 21, 2021 9:21:12 GMT -5
Some, because it's f***ing New Jack.
Yeah, Mass Transit was a dumbass, but he was also a naive teenager and I just cannot say that he deserved what New Jack did.
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Post by XIII on Apr 21, 2021 9:27:20 GMT -5
Some. Major dumbass for lying to get booked but his father and the others that vouched for him were equal dumbasses. I think that he thought that New Jack was mostly for show and it was all an act.
That said Paul E. deserves a ton of blame for putting him out there with a complete maniac like New Jack knowing full well what was likely to happen.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Apr 21, 2021 9:29:52 GMT -5
He was young and stupid, made a really dumb mistake and was enabled by more than one person. It's not on him. The most important thing about professional wrestling is that they're putting trust in one another and their bodies in each other's hands. New Jack betrayed that trust. He honestly should have been excommunicated from the industry after that.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 21, 2021 9:55:15 GMT -5
He did a stupid thing in asking to wrestle without training, but ECW management absolutely should have done PROPER due diligence before letting him step between the ropes with anyone, let alone the psychotic New Jack. If there's any doubt a guy can wrestle, they shouldn't be allowed in the ring.
It's not like they couldn't have checked, either called Killer Kowalski or had him quickly demonstrate he knows the fundamentals of a worked match on a mat with someone who wasn't nuts.
ECW existed in a post Charles Austin world, where the WWF put someone out there as a jobber without due diligence, they broke their neck taking the Rocker Dropper and it cost them millions. Everyone involved knew better, except maybe the kid who got hurt.
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Post by Bad Moon on Apr 21, 2021 10:12:27 GMT -5
100%. A normal person in New Jack's position would have just stopped the match and sent him home. Even a carny wrestler who absolutely had to "protect the business" could just tell him to lay down and pin him before sending him home. Even if Mass Transit hadn't died, he still didn't deserve to be cut up by that f***ing psycho.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Apr 21, 2021 10:12:31 GMT -5
My mom happened to be in the room when I was watching the New Jack episode of Dark Side of the Ring, and when the Mass Transit incident was discussed we got into a heated debate. My mom sympathized with him because he was just a kid, and New Jack's actions were extremely disproportionate for what Mass Transit did. Meanwhile I have zero sympathy for him, because while he didn't deserve what happened to him, and New Jack's behavior was way out of line, I feel he completely brought it on himself by lying to get in there. I wanted to get all of your takes on it. I actually am having a really hard time wrapping my head around "I have zero sympathy" being right there next to "he didn't deserve what happened to him." Isn't, like, one mostly dependent on the other? My lack of sympathy is based less on whether he deserved what happened to him and more on the aftermath in which he refused to take ANY responsibility for what happened. And the whole “he was just a kid” thing doesn’t fly with me. 17 is MORE than old enough to know better.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 21, 2021 10:27:42 GMT -5
A little. A) Don’t be stupid and say you’re a trained wrestler. B) He acted as if he was a ring general veteran trying to call and plan spots instead of following the lead and direction of others in the match. However, an ass kicking would have sufficed not near attempted murder.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 21, 2021 10:42:39 GMT -5
Some for sure. His dad and thr midget wrestler who vouched for him should have known better. Hell Heyman should know better than putting anybody green in the ring with New Jack (there was a poster years ago here who was a wrestler and told how New Jack took liberties in a match with him and cut him despite asking not to be cut) and New Jack is insane.
That being said the kid apparently acted like an ass in the locker room and got mega heat so most knew a receipt was coming... the receipt for sure was out of line though
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Apr 21, 2021 10:49:21 GMT -5
Some for sure. His dad and thr midget wrestler who vouched for him should have known better. Hell Heyman should know better than putting anybody green in the ring with New Jack (there was a poster years ago here who was a wrestler and told how New Jack took liberties in a match with him and cut him despite asking not to be cut) and New Jack is insane. That being said the kid apparently acted like an ass in the locker room and got mega heat so most knew a receipt was coming... the receipt for sure was out of line though You got it backwards. He specifically asked New Jack to cut him. He just didn’t want to do it himself because he’d never done it before.
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Post by schiavonecuckscole on Apr 21, 2021 13:23:17 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong. New Jack to me comes off as a guy who if you are not an asshole & show him & the business the proper respect you will not have a problem with.
The stories I have heard about Jack going off the rails all involve someone being an ahole or a lack of respect.
FTR I have met the man twice. Very quiet but no problems. Asked him politely for a few autos back in the day & he signed willingly. Second time got a photo op for the Mrs. ( She didnt know about him at the time but I was making her get OPS with ECW Guys for when she starts watching the history of ECW so she has no regrets later.)
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 21, 2021 13:55:21 GMT -5
Some for sure. His dad and thr midget wrestler who vouched for him should have known better. Hell Heyman should know better than putting anybody green in the ring with New Jack (there was a poster years ago here who was a wrestler and told how New Jack took liberties in a match with him and cut him despite asking not to be cut) and New Jack is insane. That being said the kid apparently acted like an ass in the locker room and got mega heat so most knew a receipt was coming... the receipt for sure was out of line though You got it backwards. He specifically asked New Jack to cut him. He just didn’t want to do it himself because he’d never done it before. I wasn't talking about Mass Transit. Was talking about a poster on the board
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 21, 2021 14:00:51 GMT -5
Wasn't Mass Transit 17 when this happened? If so he wasn't a kid.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Apr 21, 2021 14:07:16 GMT -5
You got it backwards. He specifically asked New Jack to cut him. He just didn’t want to do it himself because he’d never done it before. I wasn't talking about Mass Transit. Was talking about a poster on the board Ah my bad, I totally misread your post. Sad thing is if that’s the only liberty New Jack took with him he got off easy.
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