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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 3, 2021 20:34:21 GMT -5
Revisionist history really has dumbed down the importance of this group in a few ways. When see the red and black now, we see pictures of when Hogan was wearing the colors. Or people poking fun of Sting in his tomato red days.
Because of the WWE promoting how DX was so over in 1998, which they were. I think the Wolfpac were even more over with the fans. As Sting's popularity was fading a little and Goldberg was on the rise, the summer of 1998 was truly the Wolfpac's time. They were even still strong, up until the fingerpoke and I feel they don't get their just due as much these days.
Am I the only one feeling this way? That the Wolfpac was more important that it is looked at today?
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Post by Spider2024 on May 3, 2021 20:41:34 GMT -5
Truth. They were legit as popular as you said. Maybe not quite up there with DX overall, but definitely the most over group in WCW at the time.
Also, their entrance theme. Seriously:
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 3, 2021 20:41:54 GMT -5
i'm always disappointed that the Wolfpac is rarely if ever mentioned. WWE did two dvds on the nWo, and they only talk about the nWo up to 97 (before skipping to their WWE run). in 98 they were more popular than nWo Hollywood and DX, although that may be due to their threatening theme song. to this day i still won't turn my back on the Wolfpac, as i don't want to wind up in a body bag
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 3, 2021 20:52:48 GMT -5
Kevin Nash was at his most charismatic and he only said five words:
"WOLFPAC IN THE DA HOUSE!!!!!!!!!"
It's truly a testament of how over Sting, Luger, Nash and Konnan were. In fact, I would say this help boost Sting a bit too, as the black and white was getting old once he lost the title to Savage.
Also, unless WCW played with the noise, I'm pretty at Starrcade 1998, Nash was more over and got more cheers than Goldberg. The fact the nWo Wolfpac was still over all throughout Goldberg's 1998 run and was more over for the one week before turning heel, just so much wasted potential.
Nash vs. Hogan may not have been a "workrate" title program, but these guys finally coming to blows and having a title program would've sold.
It's a shame we never got a 1998-99 babyface wolfpac Nash title run. It would've been nice, if he was the one who ran through the nWo instead. And let Goldberg cool down a bit in the mid-card, then build him back up.
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Post by Starshine on May 3, 2021 21:16:49 GMT -5
The problem is their positivity were overshadowed by the disaster that was Nash beating Goldberg, and the following union with Hollywood soon after which killed just about anything interesting the company had left. It's incredible how much bullshit has been spun about Goldberg from the usual liars players, and how they just had to go a different direction in spite of every metric saying otherwise.
You just can't talk about the Wolfpac without pointing out the elephant in the room, and that elephant completely blocks out the scenic view.
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Post by sportatorium on May 3, 2021 21:41:13 GMT -5
There was one point where Konnan was the most over guy in the group. Nash & Luger are easy to look back on and scoff a bit, but there is no doubt they were all super over when they broke off as babyfaces.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 3, 2021 21:46:07 GMT -5
If they could have formed some other non-nWo heel group for them to feud with, they could've had a lot longer of a run.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on May 3, 2021 21:54:20 GMT -5
Honestly convinced it was written into law in 1998 that every American citizen must own at least one piece of Wolfpac merchandise or face extensive prison time.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 3, 2021 21:55:20 GMT -5
They were over. They also should have dropped the nWo name. Instead, you now had two groups that made WCW, the brand, look like shitheads.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on May 3, 2021 21:58:04 GMT -5
Truth. The Wolfpack, Goldberg, and Flair really appealed to three distinct groups of WCW fans in mid-to-late 1998, with Page close behind in the face rankings. The Wolfpack turning heel and merging with Hogan and gradually fading away, Goldberg never really getting his revenge, and Flair turning heel (as did DDP) just killed WCW dead.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on May 3, 2021 21:58:28 GMT -5
The Wolfpac were over, the red and black nWo logo and the wolfhead logo were cool and their group was kept relatively small. The nWo had grown too large with too many uncool members joining, then getting kicked out and some new uncool guys joining.
They get shortchanged by revisionist history since they weren't together long so they can be dismissed as diluting nWo. Maybe if they were just a new faction called the Wolfpac. But I don't blame them for wanting to sell new red and black nWo shirts.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 3, 2021 22:09:09 GMT -5
The Wolfpac were over, the red and black nWo logo and the wolfhead logo were cool and their group was kept relatively small. The nWo had grown too large with too many uncool members joining, then getting kicked out and some new uncool guys joining. They get shortchanged by revisionist history since they weren't together long so they can be dismissed as diluting nWo. Maybe if they were just a new faction called the Wolfpac. But I don't blame them for wanting to sell new red and black nWo shirts. Excellent point, once Savage got hurt and they went with 4 guys. It made it feel exclusive and elite. Hall in the group would've made sense too, instead of that stupid turn. The Outsiders as faces helping WCW, that would've been a cool storyline. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 3, 2021 22:10:31 GMT -5
Honestly convinced it was written into law in 1998 that every American citizen must own at least one piece of Wolfpac merchandise or face extensive prison time.  Kendall knows.... in 2019 or 2020 whenever that photo was taken. |
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Post by Phosphor Glow on May 3, 2021 22:25:34 GMT -5
I can definitely confirm that they were just over as HELL during that time. I loved them SO much. I was like 12 during their heyday and they were basically designed from the ground up to appeal to my age group, and boy howdy did it work.
I think the re-merging with nWo Black and White really poisoned how people look at them now, and also people just tend to look back and see "cringe". They're sort of retroactively poisoned with the same attitude that X-Pac is poisoned with, despite the fact that X-Pac was so f***ing over. It's a shame, really.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on May 4, 2021 15:14:31 GMT -5
They were over enough that during Nash/Goldberg, there were audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans.
So if you think about it, that stupid swerve didn't just destroy a top draw in Goldberg, it destroyed two top draws - more if you count the individual members of the Wolfpac rather than the Wolfpac as an entity.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on May 4, 2021 16:59:46 GMT -5
I can definitely confirm that they were just over as HELL during that time. I loved them SO much. I was like 12 during their heyday and they were basically designed from the ground up to appeal to my age group, and boy howdy did it work. I think the re-merging with nWo Black and White really poisoned how people look at them now, and also people just tend to look back and see "cringe". They're sort of retroactively poisoned with the same attitude that X-Pac is poisoned with, despite the fact that X-Pac was so f***ing over. It's a shame, really. They were legit the coolest thing in wrestling that year and possibly ever when you consider that was the hottest year in wrestling. Everyone was making the Wolfpac sign and when that theme hit everyone went nuts. For all the retroactive jokes people make about them being lame by evoking gangs, as someone who lived in an area that was rough during that time, they definitely had the buy-in from those crowds too. |
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Post by DSR on May 4, 2021 17:02:51 GMT -5
I can definitely confirm that they were just over as HELL during that time. I loved them SO much. I was like 12 during their heyday and they were basically designed from the ground up to appeal to my age group, and boy howdy did it work. I think the re-merging with nWo Black and White really poisoned how people look at them now, and also people just tend to look back and see "cringe". They're sort of retroactively poisoned with the same attitude that X-Pac is poisoned with, despite the fact that X-Pac was so f***ing over. It's a shame, really. They were legit the coolest thing in wrestling that year and possibly ever when you consider that was the hottest year in wrestling. Everyone was making the Wolfpac sign and when that theme hit everyone went nuts. For all the retroactive jokes people make about them being lame by evoking gangs, as someone who lived in an area that was rough during that time, they definitely had the buy-in from those crowds too. I saw Wolfpac graffiti tags on some buildings and signs in some of the sketchier areas of my neighborhood around that time. |
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Post by y4j1981 on May 4, 2021 17:20:08 GMT -5
They were over. They also should have dropped the nWo name. Instead, you now had two groups that made WCW, the brand, look like shitheads. And you had the WCW commentators actively supporting the Red n Black even though they were still nWo |
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Post by y4j1981 on May 4, 2021 17:28:12 GMT -5
Truth. They were legit as popular as you said. Maybe not quite up there with DX overall, but definitely the most over group in WCW at the time. Also, their entrance theme. Seriously: Apparently this is the song Nash wanted to originally use but WCW wanted their own so we got the Wolfpack theme. You can definitely hear the similarities |
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Post by sungod2020 on May 4, 2021 17:29:35 GMT -5
While there's no denying they were over during that time, in retrospect the booking didn't make sense. Luger joined the group despite not fitting the "hip-hop" image, and then Sting who was feuding with the nWo for the better part of the year joins them. It also conflicted with his loner persona.
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