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Post by glorious83 on Jun 27, 2021 11:52:28 GMT -5
I just wish after his title win and when he faked walked out on the company that they would have milked it longer than two weeks. He should been gone until at least survivor series that year when he walks out at the end of whatever title match Cena had won to challenge him again.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 27, 2021 11:55:41 GMT -5
I just wish after his title win and when he faked walked out on the company that they would have milked it longer than two weeks. He should been gone until at least survivor series that year when he walks out at the end of whatever title match Cena had won to challenge him again. Even beyond the Punk story/element, a side effect is that it cost us a John Cena vs Rey Misterio Summerslam Main Event which, given that sort of time, build and platform - could have been something really special. Much moreso than the rushed match we got on Raw the night Rey won the title.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 27, 2021 11:57:41 GMT -5
I just wish after his title win and when he faked walked out on the company that they would have milked it longer than two weeks. He should been gone until at least survivor series that year when he walks out at the end of whatever title match Cena had won to challenge him again. I don’t think that would’ve been practical. To put it this way... What company in their right mind would take the hottest talent in the entire business and not have them on TV for five months? There were already grumblings in the fanbase when he wasn’t on the RAW after Money In The Bank, don’t forget. I think they could’ve gotten away with it to SummerSlam if they actually did a few “Bigfoot sighting” type things of him at indy shows to fill in the gaps, but after that, no way.
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Post by glorious83 on Jun 27, 2021 12:06:38 GMT -5
I just wish after his title win and when he faked walked out on the company that they would have milked it longer than two weeks. He should been gone until at least survivor series that year when he walks out at the end of whatever title match Cena had won to challenge him again. I don’t think that would’ve been practical. To put it this way... What company in their right mind would take the hottest talent in the entire business and not have them on TV for five months? There were already grumblings in the fanbase when he wasn’t on the RAW after Money In The Bank, don’t forget. I think they could’ve gotten away with it to SummerSlam if they actually did a “Bigfoot sighting” type things of him at indy shows to fill in the gaps, but after that, no way. Maybe not have him off of tv until Survivor Series but like you said until aftwr the main event at Summerslam. In the meantime you could make some deals with Indy promotions and have him make appearances there and tape them to show on tv with also him doing promos to mock Cena or Rey for the being their so called paper champ at the time.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 27, 2021 12:37:42 GMT -5
Very good promo at its time but it has gotten overrated with time
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 27, 2021 12:42:12 GMT -5
great insight into WWEs future of wrecking sure things
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 27, 2021 13:19:32 GMT -5
Good moment but fizzled out quick
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 27, 2021 13:22:34 GMT -5
I don’t think that would’ve been practical. To put it this way... What company in their right mind would take the hottest talent in the entire business and not have them on TV for five months? There were already grumblings in the fanbase when he wasn’t on the RAW after Money In The Bank, don’t forget. I think they could’ve gotten away with it to SummerSlam if they actually did a “Bigfoot sighting” type things of him at indy shows to fill in the gaps, but after that, no way. Maybe not have him off of tv until Survivor Series but like you said until aftwr the main event at Summerslam. In the meantime you could make some deals with Indy promotions and have him make appearances there and tape them to show on tv with also him doing promos to mock Cena or Rey for the being their so called paper champ at the time. A few "Punk buys a ticket and sits in the crowd eating cotton candy while wearing the belt" appearances could have kept things going for a while. Could see Vince coming out and demanding they stop putting the camera on him, etc.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 27, 2021 13:49:02 GMT -5
I just wish after his title win and when he faked walked out on the company that they would have milked it longer than two weeks. He should been gone until at least survivor series that year when he walks out at the end of whatever title match Cena had won to challenge him again. I don’t think that would’ve been practical. To put it this way... What company in their right mind would take the hottest talent in the entire business and not have them on TV for five months? There were already grumblings in the fanbase when he wasn’t on the RAW after Money In The Bank, don’t forget. I think they could’ve gotten away with it to SummerSlam if they actually did a few “Bigfoot sighting” type things of him at indy shows to fill in the gaps, but after that, no way. Summerslam would be the limit. I honestly don't think the fanbase has the patience for something to play out longer than a month before getting antsy and saying its stale and ruined
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Post by adamclark52 on Jun 27, 2021 15:16:25 GMT -5
It definitely changed the wrestling landscape; wether for the good or the bad depends on your point of view
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 15:51:21 GMT -5
Maybe not have him off of tv until Survivor Series but like you said until aftwr the main event at Summerslam. In the meantime you could make some deals with Indy promotions and have him make appearances there and tape them to show on tv with also him doing promos to mock Cena or Rey for the being their so called paper champ at the time. A few "Punk buys a ticket and sits in the crowd eating cotton candy while wearing the belt" appearances could have kept things going for a while. Could see Vince coming out and demanding they stop putting the camera on him, etc. It would be cool but you do it more than once and it becomes clear it's a work.
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 27, 2021 16:02:28 GMT -5
The segment felt too scripted to me and not real. I know the thoughts and words were his own but obviously Vince, HHH, Stephanie or whoever gave him permission to come up with a speech and say it on their TV show. This wasn't the Montreal Screwjob or Austin trash talking Jake or Hogan accidentally thinking of an outlaw group name on the fly. This is not something that changed wrestling accidentally or on purpose or over a period of time.
At best, it was a real life disgruntled yet well paid employee being allowed to do what the owners allowed him to do, venting his frustrations within reason. The worse thing is, is just how standoffish Punk is to the very fan base who supports him and seems to believe him to be some sort of wrestling savior who "tells it like it is." It's no different than a politician pandering for votes and yet living him a mansion away from everyone else and wanting nothing to do with the people who supported him all while they tell their friends and family "this guy tells it like it is."
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jun 27, 2021 16:29:10 GMT -5
This is also 19 years since Cena debuted. It’s nuts to think that 9 years to the day after he debuted, he got a promo cut on him being the “system”
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jun 27, 2021 16:43:17 GMT -5
It was awesome at the time, it went from a great unexpected moment and led to maybe the best match in WWE history.
After that CM Punk played second fiddle as champ, eventually left the company and WWE overplays it like it’s something cool and awesome so much that it’s become uncool
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 27, 2021 17:38:20 GMT -5
I just wish after his title win and when he faked walked out on the company that they would have milked it longer than two weeks. He should been gone until at least survivor series that year when he walks out at the end of whatever title match Cena had won to challenge him again. I don’t think that would’ve been practical. To put it this way... What company in their right mind would take the hottest talent in the entire business and not have them on TV for five months? There were already grumblings in the fanbase when he wasn’t on the RAW after Money In The Bank, don’t forget. I think they could’ve gotten away with it to SummerSlam if they actually did a few “Bigfoot sighting” type things of him at indy shows to fill in the gaps, but after that, no way. I would’ve had Rey vs. Cena at Summerslam happen, with Cena winning, then Punk’s return for the big shocker.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 22:50:51 GMT -5
The Pipebomb promo got me back into wrestling after not watching for 5 or so years. Always a classic.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 27, 2021 23:12:40 GMT -5
Just rewatched the promo, as well as the whole 'Best in the World' documentary from 2012 (which hasn't aged well for a variety of reasons, but that's for another thread).
I think what may get lost about watching the promo now is the how and why it connected with so many people beyond the standard "worked shoot for longtime wrestling fans."
In the United States, we were two years out of a recession with the economy doing much better but a lot of people were stuck in the same place they were during the lowest part of the aughts. The social fallout of the aughts were really being felt, but that last bit of change people still wanted in their lives was still being hindered by an old-guard, and the discrepancies of "what opportunities am I not getting because of the state of the country" vs "what opportunities am I not getting because I'm taken for granted and on the losing side of neoptism/cronyism" was never more transparent.
I think that's why the Pipebomb promo connected so well. Just as the Austin-McMahon feud in the 90s could be boiled down to the "I hate my dickhead boss," the Punk-McMahon/Laurinitis feud (at least for the summer of 2011) could be seen as "I hate the bureaucracy that's made me feel stuck." That's why he connected with (in the States at least) so much media outside of wrestling outlets. Everyone knows Vince McMahon is someone who runs a massive company, and here's someone speaking up about the horrendous choices being made inside that company.
Viewing it now, it further affirms he really doesn't break kayfabe in it. Are there a lot of things in Punk's professional and personal life that take some of the bite out of it? Yes. Honestly, I think his promo the week prior at the end of Raw where he first announces he's leaving after his contract is up might be more compelling to watch now as you get so much of a harder dose of reality in the middle of the tail end of a very over-produced era.
Still, man the night this happened it set the world on fire and really was exciting couple of months. I think another super under-appreciated aspect of it was that they flashed the copyright graphic immediately at the end of the main event before the promo even began, so that you'd forget it even ran by the time Punk was cut off and it made it seem like a much more abrupt ending.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Jun 28, 2021 1:16:55 GMT -5
I don’t think that would’ve been practical. To put it this way... What company in their right mind would take the hottest talent in the entire business and not have them on TV for five months? There were already grumblings in the fanbase when he wasn’t on the RAW after Money In The Bank, don’t forget. I think they could’ve gotten away with it to SummerSlam if they actually did a few “Bigfoot sighting” type things of him at indy shows to fill in the gaps, but after that, no way. Summerslam would be the limit. I honestly don't think the fanbase has the patience for something to play out longer than a month before getting antsy and saying its stale and ruined I remember on here the RAW after MITB threat and half of the posts were people complaining that Punk hasnt shown up yet, when I mentioned that I had the cub game on in the other room and Punk is there a bunch of posters were like "well this is ruined, Punk should be on raw tonight"
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 28, 2021 1:29:32 GMT -5
Summerslam would be the limit. I honestly don't think the fanbase has the patience for something to play out longer than a month before getting antsy and saying its stale and ruined I remember on here the RAW after MITB threat and half of the posts were people complaining that Punk hasnt shown up yet, when I mentioned that I had the cub game on in the other room and Punk is there a bunch of posters were like "well this is ruined, Punk should be on raw tonight" That’s why I think that anything involving Punk between running off with the belt and him coming back had to be fancam, “found footage” kind of stuff of him literally anywhere else. Him showing up on RAW every week doing a victory lap defeats the purpose of the character wanting to leave the damn place to start with. There’s also something else from the angle that you have to factor in at this point that nobody’s brought up, and it’s that Cena is meant to be gone too, having been “fired” for losing the belt to Punk in the first place. I think the story between MITB and SummerSlam is that Punk goes on his indy tour with the belt while Vince loses all semblance of control of RAW having no champion (despite intending to crown one) or his franchise player. I don’t know how to get from A to D, but all I can think of is that Cena ends up as the GM and rehires Punk as the rightful champion at some point.
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Post by 4real on Jun 28, 2021 1:36:08 GMT -5
To me this was the most excited I’ve felt about wrestling since the Attitude Era brought me back to wrestling in the late 90’s. It felt like that time for me. CM Punk v Cena at MITB might be the most tense atmosphere and the most excited crowd I’ve ever seen. CM Punk’s shirt that night also got me buying wrestling merch again.
But of course HHH, Nash & Del Rio happened. Punk came back too early. WWE threw away a marquee Mysterio v Cena match for Summerslam. Punk lost to HHH. WWE poured all the cold water over the angle.
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