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Post by Hurbster on Aug 29, 2021 5:20:26 GMT -5
So, from some of the still shots in the trailers, it turns out at least two of the classic in-game stores are getting re-branded. Freckle Bitch's, the fast food franchise and blatant Wendy's parody, has been shortened to "FB's", and Rim Jobs, the autobody shops where you could customize your vehicles, have been renamed to Jim Rob's. It kinda seems like Volition are potentially trying to "sanitize" Saints Row, which, considering it's a series built in its raunchy humour and over-the-top ridiculousness, might end up turning away more fans than they bring in. I really hope that's wrong, but I would not be surprised.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Aug 29, 2021 6:18:14 GMT -5
Oh and the developers are doing the same passive aggressive "This is what we are doing, like it or not." bullcrap pretty much every artist does in response to criticism. Good. The sense fans have been given by social media that they have ownership of entertainment franchises is, by and large, a very negative thing. It discourages innovation, changing anything, doing anything unsafe. If people don't like what the new Saint's Row games are, then they don't have to buy them. That's absolutely their right. But they also don't have anything to complain about. They got the previous games. It was a transaction. The creators do not owe them anything. I have to agree with this I have all the Yakuza games up till 6 When I heard #7 was changing style to the RPG battle grid combat system, I was disappointed as that’s not a style I like but I stuffed my shoulders, went “not for me then” and didn’t buy the game Reaction to it seems overall seems pretty positive though
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 29, 2021 12:11:55 GMT -5
Yes. They don't owe me anything. But at the same time I don't owe them anything either. Certainly not enough to keep my mouth shut when they are making a bad decision which is pretty much what you are telling me to do.
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Post by eJm on Aug 29, 2021 12:22:46 GMT -5
Yes. They don't owe me anything. But at the same time I don't owe them anything either. Certainly not enough to keep my mouth shut when they are making a bad decision which is pretty much what you are telling me to do. Frankly, the only person saying that you should keep your mouth shut and you have no right to express your opinion has been you. Because nobody else has said that.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 29, 2021 12:36:56 GMT -5
Yes. They don't owe me anything. But at the same time I don't owe them anything either. Certainly not enough to keep my mouth shut when they are making a bad decision which is pretty much what you are telling me to do. Frankly, the only person saying that you should keep your mouth shut and you have no right to express your opinion has been you. Because nobody else has said that. With all due respect. I beg to differ. How else am I supposed to take that other than 'quit your bitching?'
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Post by eJm on Aug 29, 2021 12:47:53 GMT -5
Frankly, the only person saying that you should keep your mouth shut and you have no right to express your opinion has been you. Because nobody else has said that. With all due respect. I beg to differ. How else am I supposed to take that other than 'quit your bitching?' It’s easy to take it as not that because that’s not what is being said. If you don’t like the look of the new game, great. Nobody wants to take your right to say it from you or anyone else. But this isn’t the first time a community has felt entitled by a franchise they like and honestly, that’s what you’ve been coming off as.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 29, 2021 15:18:18 GMT -5
Lord that comments section is a cesspool of barely concealed, "Boo, why are there people in it who aren't white!" Which is impressive, considering that the Saints were at least half POC at any given point in the first 4, even if you default the Boss to white for those stats.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 29, 2021 15:25:51 GMT -5
I always thought she was mixed or Latina, but apparently she's white. Huh. She was a hanger on to the Sons of Samedi before the Saints picked her up, and they pretty much only had Haitians and white people with dreadlocks.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 29, 2021 15:35:34 GMT -5
With all due respect. I beg to differ. How else am I supposed to take that other than 'quit your bitching?' It’s easy to take it as not that because that’s not what is being said. If you don’t like the look of the new game, great. Nobody wants to take your right to say it from you or anyone else. But this isn’t the first time a community has felt entitled by a franchise they like and honestly, that’s what you’ve been coming off as. You're (not you, EJM; I'm agreeing with you) also having a rage boner over a game we barely know anything about. I'm iffy about the reboot nature of the new game, but I'm open to it being a lot of fun like all the other games in the series. There's being cautious and there's jumping to a ridiculous amount of conclusions. Then again, this isn't the first time this person has posted diatribes about something betraying the original without experiencing a single second of it.
Lord that comments section is a cesspool of barely concealed, "Boo, why are there people in it who aren't white!" Which is impressive, considering that the Saints were at least half POC at any given point in the first 4, even if you default the Boss to white for those stats. It takes a special kind of idiot to whine about one of the most diverse game series ever being too diverse.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 29, 2021 15:49:13 GMT -5
I think a particular highlight from that Youtube comments section was someone going, "You can have deep, meaningful characters without them being RELATABLE!" and citing f***ing Arthur Morgan as an example (and also Master Chief because I guess that's apparently deep) which just feels like they have no idea what the word relatable means.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 29, 2021 15:59:20 GMT -5
Folks being entitled and losing they shit over a game getting a revamp
The damn series has been built on changing itself, what's the big deal?
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 29, 2021 16:14:57 GMT -5
Saints Row should always be batshit crazy. It's why I love it so much.
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 29, 2021 17:04:44 GMT -5
Only just watched the trailer, and while it's changed the aesthetic up a lot, if the cinematics are meant to be anything like the game, it looks like it's got the crazy weapons, probably some ridiculous driving, a colourful aesthetic, and some fun characters. Pretty much all I could ask for, and considering I enjoyed Agents Of Mayhem quite a bit (although the gameplay loop wasn't exactly my thing) Volition have built up some trust.
I'd like to see a few characters make their return along the line, Kinzie's honestly one of my fave video game characters and I really appreciated the chance to play as her in Gat Out Of Hell.
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Post by Main Eventer on Aug 29, 2021 17:25:59 GMT -5
Maybe we can finally figure out what happened to Dex.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 29, 2021 17:32:21 GMT -5
Entitled... I don't see it that way. I don't think Volition owes me anything. Have I felt like this project does not appeal to me. Yes. Do I feel like I've been kicked to the curb, a little yeah. That said all I plan to do is wait for it to come out, and decide if I want to buy it or not based on how much I like of what I hear. That is all I plan on doing.
Everything else I have said is merely based on my emotional state at the time, and the information I have had to work with.
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Post by DoubleDare on Aug 29, 2021 21:44:50 GMT -5
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Post by Blade on Aug 29, 2021 22:22:32 GMT -5
How else am I supposed to take that other than 'quit your bitching?' That isn't about complaints in general. Like what you like, don't like what you don't like. It's a video game. It's entertainment. Your preferences should be what matter to you, and all power to you in that. What my point was about is what you said here: They do not need to reward you for liking a product by making future iterations of that product exactly what you want. Your reward was that you bought the product and liked it. That's it. That's the deal. You bought a game and enjoyed it. Nothing more is implied by that transaction. And like, it's not just you. Twitter's full of people bitching it isn't like the first two Saints Rows, or it's not as wacky as 3 and/or 4 and Gat Out of Hell (note this means that literally nothing could have been made that would have prevented a ton of people from getting upset). It's fine to say "This is what I want the game to be like". But saying "If the game isn't like this, f*** it, it shouldn't exist" is basically denying the ability to do anything different or new, and a reboot is already running precious low on "different and new" to begin with.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 29, 2021 22:52:49 GMT -5
How else am I supposed to take that other than 'quit your bitching?' That isn't about complaints in general. Like what you like, don't like what you don't like. It's a video game. It's entertainment. Your preferences should be what matter to you, and all power to you in that. What my point was about is what you said here: They do not need to reward you for liking a product by making future iterations of that product exactly what you want. Your reward was that you bought the product and liked it. That's it. That's the deal. You bought a game and enjoyed it. Nothing more is implied by that transaction. And like, it's not just you. Twitter's full of people bitching it isn't like the first two Saints Rows, or it's not as wacky as 3 and/or 4 and Gat Out of Hell (note this means that literally nothing could have been made that would have prevented a ton of people from getting upset). It's fine to say "This is what I want the game to be like". But saying "If the game isn't like this, f*** it, it shouldn't exist" is basically denying the ability to do anything different or new, and a reboot is already running precious low on "different and new" to begin with. Okay. You make a fair point. I was just too angry to listen before.
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Post by Blade on Aug 29, 2021 23:10:34 GMT -5
Okay. You make a fair point. I was just too angry to listen before. It's cool, we've probably all been there once or twice with things we care about!
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 30, 2021 9:36:31 GMT -5
I'm looking on the YouTube comments and the ones complaining are saying that this game is for "Pink haired Twitter activists"
...which is funny to me because as a LITERAL pink haired twitter activist, I liked all 4 previous games, and think this one at least looks interesting.
The only thing I'm complaining about is that the gang colours are Turquoise instead of Purple
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