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Post by Fade on Aug 27, 2021 16:59:49 GMT -5
Samoa Joe Doesn’t See the Benefit of the Forbidden Door: “I work for a company. If I played for a major football club, you wouldn’t lend me out on the weekend to go play for the rival team. Messi’s ain’t doing day shifts over at Manchester United.” Homey: you wanted to play for the main roster and they fired your ass. Now you’re the developmental Champion but aight.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 17:00:57 GMT -5
I don't understand the mentality of wanted wrestling to be less exciting.
And I'm sure Joe hated it when he was being featured in TNA ROH and NOAH at the same time.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Aug 27, 2021 17:05:52 GMT -5
ROH is a prime example of the good and bad that can come of opening the door to talent swapping. Mid-'00s ROH was something special for fans, and Joe owes one of his best matches, if not his best match, with Kobashi to this philosophy of booking. However, ROH eventually fell into the trap of overbooking other company's talent over their own, so I can appreciate the opposite side of the coin. Balance is key. Oh yeah, roh fell off the map hard when the new Japan guys all started pulling out. A lot of things contributed to the current state of ROH. I do still find it to be a quality promotion, despite its controversies over the years. In fact, I find the current iteration of ROH to be better than current WWE due to their maximization of talent and not over saturating the market.
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Post by Fade on Aug 27, 2021 17:06:19 GMT -5
That's kinda a stooge answer. That stuff is going to ramp up as the WWE is more willing to fire people. For a long time Reigns and Rollins were about the only guys that would do the company stooge stuff.. Now you got fired guys like Tyler Breeze doing it. You got f***ing R-Truth irrationally looking for blood; You know when that’s happening, all bets are off.
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Post by RGT 85 on Aug 27, 2021 17:07:49 GMT -5
How could a company possibly benefit from having an air of unpredictability and a buzz about the product, with fans never knowing what's going to happen and treating the live shows as can't miss TV because just about anyone could turn up? How could a company possibly benefit from being able to send stagnant guys elsewhere for a brief stint to give them time to freshen up? I wonder... The WWE walled garden thing is actually a relatively modern phenomena. In days gone by, the WWF sent guys to Memphis, Japan, Puerto Rico or ECW to shake things up, and benefited from having ECW talent appear on their shows either signed, or loaned as part of angles to plug gaps and add a little more excitement to shows. Heck, it wasn't until FCW that the WWE's developmental territories were entirely in house. How many major names in the WWE could have benefited from a trip overseas over the years to learn new ways of working and to shake up their characters? While they were never going to send Cena, Orton sure could have done with freshening up and a change of scene, or any number of the OVW/DSW 'can't miss' prospects they managed to miss entirely with, or folks like Ted DiBiase, Joe Hennig, Zac Ryder, Ziggler and so on Legit the perfect answer. 90's WWF had people all over the place to....wait for it...develop into TV talent. That's not including the ECW invasion as well, but then again, WWF had some of their people in that company (Brakkus baby!)
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Post by Convoy on Aug 27, 2021 17:09:35 GMT -5
He's allowed to feel that way, but come on, wrestling literally everywhere else is so much more exciting because of it. Plus, and not to console war this, but he's basically the champion of ashes right now.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 27, 2021 17:09:59 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 27, 2021 17:16:45 GMT -5
It makes zero sense for this to be his take when these types of relationships benefitted his career leaps and bounds. But it's whatever. It's one of the most exciting times for wrestling fans right now and that's what matters.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 27, 2021 17:20:09 GMT -5
Samoa Joe Doesn’t See the Benefit of the Forbidden Door: “I work for a company. If I played for a major football club, you wouldn’t lend me out on the weekend to go play for the rival team. Messi’s ain’t doing day shifts over at Manchester United.” Homey: you wanted to play for the main roster and they fired your ass. Now you’re the developmental Champion but aight. In the football world, he's -exactly- the kind of talent who'd get sent out on a loan deal. He's up there in years, injury prone but still has enough miles left on the clock that he could make a splash at another team if they were willing to roll the dice on his health and pay enough of his wages so his home team could get him off the books a while. Of course, with the WWE being american, they were able to just fire him then hire him back for less money.
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Post by sportatorium on Aug 27, 2021 17:51:29 GMT -5
In his soccer comparison, he's a bit off. Teams compete in their league, champions league, secondary champions leagues (Europa), various cups and plenty of qualifiers & friendlies for their country.
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Post by eJm on Aug 27, 2021 18:01:16 GMT -5
It’s a good idea for Joe to compare WWE workers to actual employees at football clubs that can sign external sponsorship deals with other companies and get transport and healthcare paid for. Oh, also forgot to mention; They have a player’s union.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 27, 2021 18:17:18 GMT -5
I agree with Joe. Far as I'm concerned if I want to watch an Impact guy I'll watch Impact. I straight up stopped watching impact when Elite showed up. 🤷♂️ Well, good news then...Omega's probably not returning there anytime soon & The Good Brothers have toned down on the goofiness & have actually been acting serious for the last few weeks.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Aug 27, 2021 18:38:40 GMT -5
The Street Profits literally won their first tag team titles through a working partnership with EVOLVE. Tyler Breeze got to wrestle Jushin Liger in NXT. Hell, going back to the WWF days, They benefitted from having international talents like the Jumping Bomb Angels and Genichiro Tenryu. WWE has never had a problem doing this when it benefits them. It's only now that their main competition is doing it that it's a problem.
Joe is allowed to have his opinion. And I am allowed to say that I think his opinion is dumb.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 27, 2021 18:53:17 GMT -5
Samoa Joe Doesn’t See the Benefit of the Forbidden Door: “I work for a company. If I played for a major football club, you wouldn’t lend me out on the weekend to go play for the rival team. Messi’s ain’t doing day shifts over at Manchester United.” this is stupid. So are Football teams not supposed to face each other then? it is kinda silly because yeh there is a major football company.But the teams are owned by different people. And why we have teams face each other instead of Washington A vs Washington B? because it is interesting and exciting.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 27, 2021 18:58:55 GMT -5
That stuff is going to ramp up as the WWE is more willing to fire people. For a long time Reigns and Rollins were about the only guys that would do the company stooge stuff.. Now you got fired guys like Tyler Breeze doing it. Or, shock and horror, that's just their opinion and it's different to yours!? People aren't a hive mind, people will have different opinions and priorities which mean they dont feel or think the same way you do, or I do. While definitely is people that go full stooge,I dont feel like Tyler was the case. It also seems a lot of people that work for WWE naturally adopt a lot of their... philosophies and teaching. I definitely would say when Seth was the top guy,he went full stooge tho
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 27, 2021 19:20:57 GMT -5
That's Joe's opinion and he's entitled to it.
But, you're telling me that if he was in AEW and the opportunity to have a match against someone from NJPW was presented to him he'd say "no thanks. I don't like working guys from other promotions"? Especially after his history with guys like Kobashi?
And his example is pretty stupid. Not only do players go out on loan all of the time, players regularly leave their club for a weekend to play for their country.
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Post by xCompackx on Aug 27, 2021 21:31:33 GMT -5
Eh, strikes me as more of a "WWE told me to say this" line than what Joe actually believes.
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Post by eJm on Aug 27, 2021 22:45:49 GMT -5
Eh, strikes me as more of a "WWE told me to say this" line than what Joe actually believes. Even then…why would you want people to say those answers? For attention? Like, you’re the biggest wrestling company in the world that has a PR problem and has had one for years, I can’t imagine any other company wanting people to lash out about stuff but say more diplomatic answers. There’s a reason sports and movie stars and the like are extensively media trained and told to say safe answers because most companies or productions don’t want that heat on them.
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Post by r. on Aug 27, 2021 23:17:00 GMT -5
He's wrong and I'm quite surprised to see so many toeing his line of thinking. A far better analogy would be paying money to see say a Drake concert and then finding out you could have paid less to see Coachella that also had Drake and other great stars.
For me, this read as him trying to secure a position after retirement. I did not have Joe checked off on lifelong kool-aid drinkers but here we are.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 27, 2021 23:37:44 GMT -5
I don’t know what I expected. I mean, you work for that company, you toe the party line regardless of whether you believe it or not. Joe had the opportunity to take his chances elsewhere and say no when they came back to him after they fired him, so I don’t feel bad for him here.
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