Chiral
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Post by Chiral on Sept 22, 2021 22:19:38 GMT -5
I love the guy, and I’ll always say comparisons to Jarrett and Triple H are ridiculous. However, even I have to admit that he is probably the stalest act in AEW right now. He’s done a hell of a job making Malaki Black into a big time player. But I hate that I have to leave the board for a while, because if he wins a match, everyone gets pissed. And that’s not fans fault, he has become really stale, even for me; because I couldn’t bare for him to win. Thankfully he did lose. And hopefully he can transition to something that sparks a heel turn, because that’s the only way he can get out this rut, IMO. For real, Cody Discourse™ is a big part of the brand of AEW board discourse that I just generally can't with lol
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Post by eJm on Sept 22, 2021 22:20:36 GMT -5
I still have a bigger issue on making the match against Ogogo one where Ogogo was cocky and unable to get the win against him because of his attitude and the pressure because there was literally zero hint of the build being like that at all.
Like, look, you want to make it a USA/UK thing, fine. It’s dumb in 2021 but whatever, you do you. But then build your match around that. Have Ogogo go after the flag constantly and take advantage of Cody when he tries to stop him, mock salutes or something. Because then at least it would be substantial to what you were doing.
But I pretty much agree with Mothman’s overall points. It wasn’t that he lost goodwill because of how he is now, it’s because so much of the company has changed around him to catch up to where he was, he’s now being left behind by them. He needs a refresh.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Sept 22, 2021 22:25:18 GMT -5
Was wild how not over he was tonight. Dude stepped out looking like he was expecting a rly big positive reaction too and it was like aww man LMAO
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Oak: Certified Jade Hater
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Sept 22, 2021 22:37:59 GMT -5
it's not the 1980's anymore. Pubic tastes have changed Which is a shame This is going in the sig.
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Rican
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Post by Rican on Sept 22, 2021 22:38:08 GMT -5
Was wild how not over he was tonight. Dude stepped out looking like he was expecting a rly big positive reaction too and it was like aww man LMAO Brandi getting booed like hell for the sitting across from Malaki spot had me rolling lol
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Blade
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Post by Blade on Sept 22, 2021 22:43:59 GMT -5
Brandi got a pop for that, though.
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Post by Instant Classic on Sept 22, 2021 22:46:59 GMT -5
2021 Cody Rhodes vs 2006 Jeff Jarrett vs 2003 or 2015 Triple H would be cool to see.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Sept 22, 2021 22:48:02 GMT -5
Dude lost me when he started crying in the ring about how he was having the first interracial baby or whatever the f*** that was about.
I like Cody, but it feels like he just lifts stuff straight from his dad's 1980s NWA run and just makes it his own and it just..doesn't work. Like, and maybe it would work because AEW likes to have a little of everything on the show, but Cody also has this habit of just straight up disappearing to go film a tv show or something, so nothing every really "sticks". The Codyverse is a real thing, like nothing he does in his segments mean a goddamn thing to anybody else on the show, so it ends up looking goofier by the second.
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Blade
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Post by Blade on Sept 22, 2021 22:52:27 GMT -5
Honestly, for all people complain about it, I honestly think one of the best things about Cody is that he's doing midcard stuff with midcard guys instead of being in the thick of the Inner Circle or the Elite or some other main event slot, and that everything he does is treated as important despite being midcard and not having a title involved.
I don't always love the booking but the idea is good, and he actually does take Ls to guys on that level, which he certainly could avoid if he wanted to.
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Post by facethatrunstheplace on Sept 22, 2021 22:52:56 GMT -5
Brandi got a pop for that, though. She only got a pop when she gave Malakai Black the double bird prior to that she was also being booed. Guess I am going to have to rewatch that match to hear the boos, ended up getting my dinner ready during his match and got back to watching it when I saw Arn fall. But to me Cody's segments feel like its a throwback to early AEW while the rest of the show has evolved.
EDIT: I do see the Bucks and Kenny taking a step back in a few years, especially how things are going and the shows are able to stand up on their own with the roster without them needing to be involved on screen. Maybe the same will happen with Cody too? With how often he is gone, and the shows doing good ratings without Cody... Okay, well I'm not sure if you noticed it, but Cody was also getting booed during his entrance. Other than that I can't see this getting any better for him as a face. He has said that he would rather retire than be a heel.
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Post by 06vwgti on Sept 22, 2021 22:53:59 GMT -5
Guess I am going to have to rewatch that match to hear the boos, ended up getting my dinner ready during his match and got back to watching it when I saw Arn fall. But to me Cody's segments feel like its a throwback to early AEW while the rest of the show has evolved.
EDIT: I do see the Bucks and Kenny taking a step back in a few years, especially how things are going and the shows are able to stand up on their own with the roster without them needing to be involved on screen. Maybe the same will happen with Cody too? With how often he is gone, and the shows doing good ratings without Cody...
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Post by Blindkarevik on Sept 22, 2021 23:10:39 GMT -5
I've been thinking a lot about 2019 AEW, at first it was because I wanted to look back at how far we've come since then. But at the same time, I keep going back to how Cody was basically God at that point.
At the time, Cody and The Bucks were seen as the main guys behind AEW. We knew who Tony Khan was, but at the time, it just felt like he was a fan with a lot of money who was able to bankroll the company while Cody, Bucks, Omega, CD, etc,... ran it. So, Cody kinda became the default top good guy because fans wanted to direct their thanks to someone, and that felt like Cody. Of course, the fact he gets special entrances, did the Thronebreaker stuff, had an amazing match with Dustin at Double Or Nothing that year, as well as helped put Darby Allin on the map. Fans REALLY wanted to cheer the shit out of him. And at that point, he was doing a great job... his promos were off the charts, just every note seemed to hit perfectly. But it always felt a little like, "We're cheering Cody because he gave us AEW!"
Over time, it's become more and more clear that Tony IS the main guy behind everything. Sure, everybody has input, but Tony has final say. It's gone away from "Cody gave us AEW" to... "What does Cody do here again?"
2021 has NOT been kind to Cody either.... and I can attribute it to it, either, leading to a heel turn down the road, or just being completely tone deaf as to what people are looking for from him. Having to hype a special announcement on Dynamite and having it end up just being that Cody and Brandi were expecting a child..... I understood the feud with The Factory as him trying to put over some of his guys and take a backseat from the main event scene, but it really didn't do anything for anyone. Especially going into the USA vs. UK thing against Ogogo. And to be honest, very few people knew or cared about who Ogogo was beforehand, and nobody cares afterward (Yeah, I keep hearing he's a big deal back home and that's awesome. But he really has no name in the US, as far as I know)
The Malakai Black squash was a rehash of the Brodie Lee squash a year prior, and the ensuing angle with Black taking out members of the Nightmare Family was a rehash of Lance Archer goading Cody into a fight. It just really feels like Cody's treading water right now and has no idea where to go. I was hoping the Penta feud was going to go on longer because that actually felt fresh and new.
And listen, I can't go back and watch 2019 AEW and deny that Cody was over as hell. I DO think he can get that back at some point, just he's really gotta do something new.. and it's wrestling, you don't have to have a big, over-arching angle to do something new. Just have Cody and Adam Cole get into it with each other and bam, feud set and we get a few matches where they can build more to the story as they go along.
I think it was Ric Flair's "To Be The Man" book, where he said the flaw in Dusty's booking... is in his own storylines, he ALWAYS had to come back from the dead. Somebody shows up, manhandles him, injures him, disfigures him, or otherwise knocks him out of the territory for a time being... then after a while, he'd show up again to a massive pop and get revenge. It feels like Cody is going down a similar road now, which is a big reason why I think he got booed so heavily tonight. Fans just expected him to get his revenge win, so everything that pointed to it was booed. Black winning was the absolute right call to make, and while Cody doesn't want to turn heel, either needs to consider doing so... or come up with something fresh for him to do. And with as stacked and deep as AEW's roster is, if he can't do that..... that's honestly on him.
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Post by eJm on Sept 22, 2021 23:31:30 GMT -5
In a non-serious post, can someone make one of those “____ isn’t my friend, ____ is my new friend” memes for Cody, Punk and Amell being the one saying it?
Because those were vibes I got tonight haha.
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Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Sept 22, 2021 23:41:14 GMT -5
I found this,it's a good legend to refer to.
LoC’s (Levels of Cody):
Level 1: Cody is a good guy.
Level 2: Cody is a good guy who’s so obnoxious at being a good guy that he’s actually a bad guy.
Level 3: Cody is a good guy and is so obnoxious as a good guy, that you come back around and appreciate his desire to so badly be a good guy even though he has no idea how to actually be one
Level 4: Cody is a good guy, is incredibly obnoxious as a good guy, and then realizes that fans interpret this as Level 2 Cody and not his earnest Level 3 Cody, thus actually now trending toward being a bad guy. <— WE ARE HERE
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 23:41:30 GMT -5
Honestly, for all people complain about it, I honestly think one of the best things about Cody is that he's doing midcard stuff with midcard guys instead of being in the thick of the Inner Circle or the Elite or some other main event slot, and that everything he does is treated as important despite being midcard and not having a title involved. I don't always love the booking but the idea is good, and he actually does take Ls to guys on that level, which he certainly could avoid if he wanted to. It's beyond that, though. Multiple people have articulated how it feels; he's insulated, in a bubble, a pocket dimension. I agree it's cool that he's separated from the Elite guys and such, but he's basically working this weird "spot" on the show that has different pacing and minimal impact/stakes for the rest of AEW.
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Post by Blade on Sept 22, 2021 23:52:05 GMT -5
Oh, I know, of course that's a common complaint. I just don't really see it myself. Feels different, sure, to an extent (although I'd say Cody's over the top entrances aren't that different than the Elite's other than being more "serious").
But Malakai Black is now an over upper-midcarder-to-main-eventer, and he can go on to the rest of the show just fine. So how did it not affect the rest of the show? QT went on to have his tiff with Tony and Big Show and didn't seem "wrong" outside of the Cody bubble.
The only real thing I see is that Cody isn't interacting much with the face roster outside of the Nightmare family, which is... sure, okay, but that's also true of lots of guys in AEW beyond their clique of associated stars (for instance, most of the face women: teamups happen long enough to get a tag match against Britt and that's it). Jericho and MJF spent six months basically ignoring everything on the roster except each other, too.
It could be I'd see it differently if I'd started watching a year ago instead of six months ago, I suppose.
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Post by Rave on Sept 22, 2021 23:53:43 GMT -5
Amused myself way too much making this.
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Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 23, 2021 0:04:22 GMT -5
The only real thing I see is that Cody isn't interacting much with the face roster outside of the Nightmare family, which is... sure, okay, but that's also true of lots of guys in AEW beyond their clique of associated stars (for instance, most of the face women: teamups happen long enough to get a tag match against Britt and that's it). Jericho and MJF spent six months basically ignoring everything on the roster except each other, too. It could be I'd see it differently if I'd started watching a year ago instead of six months ago, I suppose. So, that's the big thing for me: Cody only associates with the Nightmare Family, but he has no real relationship with anyone in the Nightmare Family. Lee Johnson just kind of existed for months after joining, tagged with Cody once or twice. Brock Anderson is tied to Arn, obviously, but that's where the connection ends. The Gunn Club were their own trio with a defined identity, who would occasionally show up as part of the Nightmare Family, but not consistently. I cannot remember the last time Cody and Dustin even interacted in a promo. Hell, the u-turn into US vs. UK in Anthony Ogogo led to Cody effectively no-selling all of these teammates getting mauled by Ogogo, since he didn't seem to think that Ogogo injuring his supposed teammates was the basis for a feud or the reason they were fighting. On the "pocket dimension" side, it leads to Cody interacting only with people who are acting in service of his own story. He isn't, say, hyping up Lee Johnson ahead of Lee's matches, or establishing any way he might feel about Brock Anderson or Baron Black. He tags with them all so rarely that he's not even building a dynamic with any of them in-ring. As is, being in the Nightmare Family means being the person Cody's rival beats up, without any trade-off in the form of a defined identity. It certainly adds to the feeling that Cody's stories are different and centered on him, because every face he's in contact with is narratively subservient to him.
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Blade
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Post by Blade on Sept 23, 2021 0:19:28 GMT -5
That's a good point that other Nightmare Family guys are more likely to stick up for each other than Cody is for them (although, in fairness, trying to see to Arn's safety is what got his head kicked off by Black in the first place, and helped cost Cody the match tonight).
I wonder how much that is an unintended consequence of Cody's side projects meaning he doesn't have time to be there when it's not "important".
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Sept 23, 2021 0:23:46 GMT -5
I'm glad "The Jingoist" Cody Rhodes is getting booed.
I'll always have a soft spot for Cody, and have historically defended him, but the last year has been exhausting to be a fan of his.
Hell he's starting to become AEW's Psycho Clown with the amount of protection he needs in defeat sometimes.
Ditch the stupid gear, evolve with the crowd, and do something other than "Cody Rhodes on his own island separate from everyone else" for a change.
And if you're going to use a faction constantly, maybe make it feel like a tight knit group. FFS The Pinnacle feel more cohesive at this point. Even as a face he feels like a heel using henchmen and women to do his dirty work for him while he watches from afar.
He's like "Try-hard Earnest Guy" version of MJF. It's just copy and paste the same shit over and over. Same promos. Same "drama" feuds. Same booking stuff.
Dude has to evolve.
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